Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 06/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 7



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:30 AM - STC for new props (Bill Kirkwood)
     2. 11:59 AM - Re: STC for new props (Don Girod)
     3. 01:25 PM - Serial Number plates (Barry Collman)
     4. 04:18 PM - Re: Serial Number plates (Richard & Jacqui Thompson)
     5. 04:54 PM - Re: Serial Number plates (Barry Collman)
     6. 11:36 PM - Re: Serial Number plates (nico css)
     7. 11:42 PM - Re: Serial Number plates (Richard & Jacqui Thompson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:30:30 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo@elp.rr.com>
    Subject: STC for new props
    I am due for the prop AD on my Commander 560E and would like to know information about the STC for changing the props. I would like as much information as possible, and in particular, the price, part numbers for the props, part numbers for the new spinners, etc. Thanks.


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    Time: 11:59:37 AM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: STC for new props
    Bill; Depending on location, Harry in Titusville, Fl. did mine this last year. Jimbob owns the STC. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Kirkwood To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Commander-List: STC for new props I am due for the prop AD on my Commander 560E and would like to know information about the STC for changing the props. I would like as much information as possible, and in particular, the price, part numbers for the props, part numbers for the new spinners, etc. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/8/2007 3:15 PM


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    Time: 01:25:07 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Serial Number plates
    Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 04:18:41 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson@aol.com>
    Subject: Serial Number plates
    Sir Barry, I believe that the second number after the model number was the actual serial number of the airframe. The last number was the number of airframes built of that particular model. So we would have 680 model with the chronological serial number 317 and it would be the 12th 680 built. Later I believe that the manufacturers, Probably Rockwell dropped putting the model number in as part of the serial number. Thus we would know from the data plate that it was a model 500B, then the serial number would tell us that chronologically it was airframe number 1502 and would have been the 12th 500B built. I might have it all wrong though. See you in Texas. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 04:54:50 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Serial Number plates
    Hi Richard, Absolutely correct! What I'm trying to ascertain though is the engraving that is inscribed in the 'boxed' portion titled "Manufacturer's Serial No.". It seems that for some Models the factory included the Model in that portion of the plate and other Models they didn't. I'm just trying to ascertain which Models used, for example (using a fictitious Commander!) "680-400-50" and which used simply "400-50". What does your 680E show? It will, of course, have "680E" in the "Manufacturer's Model" section at the top, but what is engraved in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." section? "680E-851-73" or .. "851-73" Or, will I be able to check it myself at Fredericksburg? ;-) Sincere Best Regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Sir Barry, I believe that the second number after the model number was the actual serial number of the airframe. The last number was the number of airframes built of that particular model. So we would have 680 model with the chronological serial number 317 and it would be the 12th 680 built. Later I believe that the manufacturers, Probably Rockwell dropped putting the model number in as part of the serial number. Thus we would know from the data plate that it was a model 500B, then the serial number would tell us that chronologically it was airframe number 1502 and would have been the 12th 500B built. I might have it all wrong though. See you in Texas. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 6:24 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. com


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    Time: 11:36:05 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Serial Number plates
    Barry, I am not sure if I already showed these pictures but this is 680F rotting away in South Africa at Wonderboom Airport, Pretoria. I was in Pretoria a week ago but didn't have an opportunity to see whether the Commanders that were on that airport are still there. You can back up to the parent directory and see other Commanders too. Some of the pictures of the plate didn't come out well. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/aviation/AeroCommanders/ZS-IMY/ Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 11:42:10 PM PST US
    From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson@aol.com>
    Subject: Serial Number plates
    Barry Old Chap, Could not tell you what mine is like. Will look on Monday and take a photo for you. Remember that this is not the original but a copy supplied by Twin Commander. I believe that they had the original style copied for me. Just one of the many times they have helped me out in the past. Geoffrey Pence is THE MAN. One day when its finished and I am not digging aeroplanes that belong to me out of swamps I will get it over to the states. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Richard, Absolutely correct! What I'm trying to ascertain though is the engraving that is inscribed in the 'boxed' portion titled "Manufacturer's Serial No.". It seems that for some Models the factory included the Model in that portion of the plate and other Models they didn't. I'm just trying to ascertain which Models used, for example (using a fictitious Commander!) "680-400-50" and which used simply "400-50". What does your 680E show? It will, of course, have "680E" in the "Manufacturer's Model" section at the top, but what is engraved in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." section? "680E-851-73" or .. "851-73" Or, will I be able to check it myself at Fredericksburg? ;-) Sincere Best Regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard <mailto:RnJThompson@aol.com> & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Sir Barry, I believe that the second number after the model number was the actual serial number of the airframe. The last number was the number of airframes built of that particular model. So we would have 680 model with the chronological serial number 317 and it would be the 12th 680 built. Later I believe that the manufacturers, Probably Rockwell dropped putting the model number in as part of the serial number. Thus we would know from the data plate that it was a model 500B, then the serial number would tell us that chronologically it was airframe number 1502 and would have been the 12th 500B built. I might have it all wrong though. See you in Texas. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron ic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com




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