---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/09/07: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Serial Number plates (Barry Collman) 2. 05:24 AM - Re: Serial Number plates (Barry Collman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:01 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Nico, Thanks for that. Hopefully during your next visit there, you'll have time to hunt a few Commanders down! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Barry, I am not sure if I already showed these pictures but this is 680F rotting away in South Africa at Wonderboom Airport, Pretoria. I was in Pretoria a week ago but didn't have an opportunity to see whether the Commanders that were on that airport are still there. You can back up to the parent directory and see other Commanders too. Some of the pictures of the plate didn't come out well. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/aviation/AeroCommanders/ZS-IMY/ Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:24 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:35 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Richard, I had forgotten that you had to get a new plate. It will be interesting to see what your new one says, just to compare it with other 680E's. Very Best regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Barry Old Chap, Could not tell you what mine is like. Will look on Monday and take a photo for you. Remember that this is not the original but a copy supplied by Twin Commander. I believe that they had the original style copied for me. Just one of the many times they have helped me out in the past. Geoffrey Pence is THE MAN. One day when its finished and I am not digging aeroplanes that belong to me out of swamps I will get it over to the states. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 9:54 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Richard, Absolutely correct! What I'm trying to ascertain though is the engraving that is inscribed in the 'boxed' portion titled "Manufacturer's Serial No.". It seems that for some Models the factory included the Model in that portion of the plate and other Models they didn't. I'm just trying to ascertain which Models used, for example (using a fictitious Commander!) "680-400-50" and which used simply "400-50". What does your 680E show? It will, of course, have "680E" in the "Manufacturer's Model" section at the top, but what is engraved in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." section? "680E-851-73" or .. "851-73" Or, will I be able to check it myself at Fredericksburg? ;-) Sincere Best Regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Sir Barry, I believe that the second number after the model number was the actual serial number of the airframe. The last number was the number of airframes built of that particular model. So we would have 680 model with the chronological serial number 317 and it would be the 12th 680 built. Later I believe that the manufacturers, Probably Rockwell dropped putting the model number in as part of the serial number. Thus we would know from the data plate that it was a model 500B, then the serial number would tell us that chronologically it was airframe number 1502 and would have been the 12th 500B built. I might have it all wrong though. See you in Texas. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 6:24 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Serial Number plates Hi Guys, I'd like to get a better handle on exactly what is presented in the "Manufacturer's Serial No." portion of the Commander's s/n plate. It seems that most of them do not include the Model, but the 680 & 680F seem to do so. For instance, I have examples of: a Model 680, which shows "680-317-12" a Model 680FLP, which shows "680FLP-1475-4" but ...... a Model 500B, which shows "1502-178" a Model 680W, which shows "1849-45" Now I know why the Wing Commander uses the signature 'tag'; "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere." So, if you have a few minutes to spare next time you're with your Commander, would you be kind enough to take a close-up shot of your plate for me? Of course, if you get the chance to photograph any others you find in your travels, then that'll be a big bonus! I will be checking them myself more carefully in future, of course. Thanks! 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