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1. 03:49 AM - Re: commander radios (Robert Feldtman)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: commander radios (BobsV35B@aol.com)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: commander radios (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: commander radios (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
6. 09:39 AM - DATA PLATE (BertBerry1@aol.com)
7. 09:44 AM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington)
8. 09:51 AM - Re: commander radios (steve)
9. 12:35 PM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington)
10. 01:41 PM - Re: DATA PLATE (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
11. 02:00 PM - Re: DATA PLATE ()
12. 02:02 PM - Re: DATA PLATE ()
13. 03:40 PM - Re: commander radios (Robert Feldtman)
14. 05:29 PM - Re: commander radios (BobsV35B@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to
the tail. you can make that yourself real easy
bobf
On 6/18/07, Jim Addington <jtaddington@charter.net> wrote:
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> Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
> Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Feldtman <bobf@feldtman.com>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: commander radios
>
> I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all
> the wires, actuators, control heads from the front
> panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff?
ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical
and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple,
Texas
>
> bobf
>
> 254 721 1450
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
Good Morning bobf,
Maybe I have missed something here, but an ADF generally has some sort of a
loop antenna. Some are solid state and some are mechanical. Older units
generally have a separate sense antenna while the newest ones tend to have the
sense and loop antenna all in the same unit.
The wire you describe sounds like a sense antenna. For the ADF to operate as
a direction finding device, you need to have some sort of "loop" antenna.
The wire would have worked just fine for the low frequency range stations!
How old is that Commander? Any possibility whet you removed was simply a low
frequency receiver?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:49:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bobf@feldtman.com writes:
I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to
the tail. you can make that yourself real easy
bobf
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| Subject: | commander radios |
bf, do not need avionics but glad to know another commander driver in the n
eighborhood. mason 2001M fort worth
ist@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: commander radiosI'll have to
see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. y
ou can make that yourself real easybobf
On 6/18/07, Jim Addington <jtaddington@charter.net> wrote:
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all th
e wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Inc
reased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working f
ine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum pow
ered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf254 7
21 1450 href="
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the
Collins 650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but
won't point going south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring
up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy
bobf
On 6/18/07, Jim Addington <jtaddington@charter.net> wrote:
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4
autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel)
out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this
stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was
both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me
know I am in Temple, Texas
bobf
254 721 1450
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| Subject: | commander radios |
ja, you just running the backcourse. mason
From: jtaddington@charter.netTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: C
ommander-List: commander radiosDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:50:56 -0500
Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the Collins
650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but won't point goi
ng south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up t
o the tail. you can make that yourself real easybobf
On 6/18/07, Jim Addington <jtaddington@charter.net> wrote:
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all th
e wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Inc
reased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working f
ine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum pow
ered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf254 7
21 1450 href="
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Has anyone here ever scene a Data Plate that has "Meets FAA US Drug
Enforcement Reg" on the last line?
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
The problem is that the wind blows from the south most of the time.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios
ja, you just running the backcourse. mason
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From: jtaddington@charter.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:50:56 -0500
Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the
Collins 650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but
won't point going south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a
spring up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy
bobf
On 6/18/07, Jim Addington <jtaddington@charter.net> wrote:
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4
autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel)
out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this
stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was
both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me
know I am in Temple, Texas
bobf
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| Subject: | commander radios |
Jim,
What airport do you keep N444BD? I am going to fly up to visit my brother
in the Lake Dallas area in a few weeks and would like to avoid Addison if
possible.
Steve Gilson
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman <mailto:bobf@feldtman.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all the
wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B.
Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working
fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum
powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas
bobf
254 721 1450
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
Steve, I keep mine at Denton Municipal, DTO, 8 miles north of Lake
Dallas, but there is a grass strip at Lake Dallas,Lakeview 30F. I have
had my Commander in there and a friend of mine used to take a DC-3 in
there.Gas is high here at Denton so you might want to come with enough
gas to make the round trip. They have gotten big time ideas here and
might charge you for tie down for over night. I looked on airnav,
Decatur 8F7 is even cheep gas and it is 19 west.
My wife is down in her hips and now her back, doesn't want me to go any
where because she is afraid she will fall, so may not be able to come
out. I sure would like to meet you and see your plane. If I can help in
any way please let me know.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios
Jim,
What airport do you keep N444BD? I am going to fly up to visit my
brother in the Lake Dallas area in a few weeks and would like to avoid
Addison if possible.
Steve Gilson
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:24 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios
Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good?
Jim Addington (Denton, Texas)
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: commander radios
I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot,
all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my
500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF
still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both
electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I
am in Temple, Texas
bobf
254 721 1450
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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bb, is that a scene or been seen? mason
From: BertBerry1@aol.comDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:35 -0400Subject: Comma
nder-List: DATA PLATETo: commander-list@matronics.com
Has anyone here ever scene a Data Plate that has "Meets FAA US Drug Enforc
ement Reg" on the last line?
Thanks,
Bert
See what's free at AOL.com.
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I have a photo of it that I took. Send me your email address and as soon as I
get back to the office ill forward it to you.
Bert
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But to answer your question it could either, depending on where you were standing.
That's what happens when you type in a hurry while your on the phone.
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
The commander is a 1964 and the ADF is an old coffee can crank type. Picks
up AM radio great - used to fly along listening to Rush Limbaugh on some of
the powerful AM stations. There is so much junk in the boxes of stuff they
removed, there may be a loop antenna in there I didn't notice. The crank
turned a cable all the way to the back!
bobf
On 6/19/07, BobsV35B@aol.com <BobsV35B@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Good Morning bobf,
> Maybe I have missed something here, but an ADF generally has some sort of
> a loop antenna. Some are solid state and some are mechanical. Older units
> generally have a separate sense antenna while the newest ones tend to have
> the sense and loop antenna all in the same unit.
>
> The wire you describe sounds like a sense antenna. For the ADF to operate
> as a direction finding device, you need to have some sort of "loop" antenna.
>
> The wire would have worked just fine for the low frequency range stations!
>
> How old is that Commander? Any possibility whet you removed was simply a
> low frequency receiver?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:49:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> bobf@feldtman.com writes:
>
> I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up
> to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy
>
> bobf
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: commander radios |
Good Evening Bob,
That sounds like a Bendix manual loop receiver. The loop was mechanically
actuated by that flex cable. In those days, what we now call ADF approaches were
DF approaches and we could use a manual or even a fixed loop to execute the
approach. Kind of a fun thing to do, but ADF made life a whole lot easier!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:42:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bobf@feldtman.com writes:
The commander is a 1964 and the ADF is an old coffee can crank type. Picks
up AM radio great - used to fly along listening to Rush Limbaugh on some of
the powerful AM stations. There is so much junk in the boxes of stuff they
removed, there may be a loop antenna in there I didn't notice. The crank turned
a
cable all the way to the back!
bobf
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