---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/19/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: commander radios (Robert Feldtman) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: commander radios (BobsV35B@aol.com) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: commander radios (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: commander radios (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 6. 09:39 AM - DATA PLATE (BertBerry1@aol.com) 7. 09:44 AM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington) 8. 09:51 AM - Re: commander radios (steve) 9. 12:35 PM - Re: commander radios (Jim Addington) 10. 01:41 PM - Re: DATA PLATE (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 11. 02:00 PM - Re: DATA PLATE () 12. 02:02 PM - Re: DATA PLATE () 13. 03:40 PM - Re: commander radios (Robert Feldtman) 14. 05:29 PM - Re: commander radios (BobsV35B@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:04 AM PST US From: "Robert Feldtman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy bobf On 6/18/07, Jim Addington wrote: > > Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? > Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) > N444BD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robert Feldtman > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM > *Subject:* Commander-List: commander radios > > I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all > the wires, actuators, control heads from the front > panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas > > bobf > > 254 721 1450 > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:12 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Good Morning bobf, Maybe I have missed something here, but an ADF generally has some sort of a loop antenna. Some are solid state and some are mechanical. Older units generally have a separate sense antenna while the newest ones tend to have the sense and loop antenna all in the same unit. The wire you describe sounds like a sense antenna. For the ADF to operate as a direction finding device, you need to have some sort of "loop" antenna. The wire would have worked just fine for the low frequency range stations! How old is that Commander? Any possibility whet you removed was simply a low frequency receiver? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:49:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bobf@feldtman.com writes: I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy bobf ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:22 AM PST US From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios bf, do not need avionics but glad to know another commander driver in the n eighborhood. mason 2001M fort worth ist@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: commander radiosI'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. y ou can make that yourself real easybobf On 6/18/07, Jim Addington wrote: Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all th e wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Inc reased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working f ine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum pow ered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf254 7 21 1450 href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:30 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the Collins 650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but won't point going south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy bobf On 6/18/07, Jim Addington wrote: Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf 254 721 1450 href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:55 AM PST US From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios ja, you just running the backcourse. mason From: jtaddington@charter.netTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: C ommander-List: commander radiosDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:50:56 -0500 Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the Collins 650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but won't point goi ng south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up t o the tail. you can make that yourself real easybobf On 6/18/07, Jim Addington wrote: Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all th e wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Inc reased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working f ine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum pow ered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf254 7 21 1450 href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:13 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: DATA PLATE Has anyone here ever scene a Data Plate that has "Meets FAA US Drug Enforcement Reg" on the last line? Thanks, Bert ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:07 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios The problem is that the wind blows from the south most of the time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios ja, you just running the backcourse. mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: jtaddington@charter.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:50:56 -0500 Thanks for checking, I have one of those I took off when I put the Collins 650A in. My ADF is a Yankee, it points when going north but won't point going south. For a good Southern boy this is disgraceful. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy bobf On 6/18/07, Jim Addington wrote: Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf 254 721 1450 href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:15 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios Jim, What airport do you keep N444BD? I am going to fly up to visit my brother in the Lake Dallas area in a few weeks and would like to avoid Addison if possible. Steve Gilson _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf 254 721 1450 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Steve, I keep mine at Denton Municipal, DTO, 8 miles north of Lake Dallas, but there is a grass strip at Lake Dallas,Lakeview 30F. I have had my Commander in there and a friend of mine used to take a DC-3 in there.Gas is high here at Denton so you might want to come with enough gas to make the round trip. They have gotten big time ideas here and might charge you for tie down for over night. I looked on airnav, Decatur 8F7 is even cheep gas and it is 19 west. My wife is down in her hips and now her back, doesn't want me to go any where because she is afraid she will fall, so may not be able to come out. I sure would like to meet you and see your plane. If I can help in any way please let me know. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: commander radios Jim, What airport do you keep N444BD? I am going to fly up to visit my brother in the Lake Dallas area in a few weeks and would like to avoid Addison if possible. Steve Gilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:24 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Robert, What brand is the ADF and is the antenna good? Jim Addington (Denton, Texas) N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: commander radios I just pulled a bunch of old radios (ADF, transponder, B4 autopilot, all the wires, actuators, control heads from the front panel) out of my 500B. Increased carrying load! Anybody interested in this stuff? ADF still working fine when I removed it - B4 didn't work ( was both electrical and vaccum powered). So if anybody wants it - let me know I am in Temple, Texas bobf 254 721 1450 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:56 PM PST US From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: RE: Commander-List: DATA PLATE bb, is that a scene or been seen? mason From: BertBerry1@aol.comDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:35 -0400Subject: Comma nder-List: DATA PLATETo: commander-list@matronics.com Has anyone here ever scene a Data Plate that has "Meets FAA US Drug Enforc ement Reg" on the last line? Thanks, Bert See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: DATA PLATE From: I have a photo of it that I took. Send me your email address and as soon as I get back to the office ill forward it to you. Bert ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: DATA PLATE From: But to answer your question it could either, depending on where you were standing. That's what happens when you type in a hurry while your on the phone. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:32 PM PST US From: "Robert Feldtman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios The commander is a 1964 and the ADF is an old coffee can crank type. Picks up AM radio great - used to fly along listening to Rush Limbaugh on some of the powerful AM stations. There is so much junk in the boxes of stuff they removed, there may be a loop antenna in there I didn't notice. The crank turned a cable all the way to the back! bobf On 6/19/07, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > > Good Morning bobf, > Maybe I have missed something here, but an ADF generally has some sort of > a loop antenna. Some are solid state and some are mechanical. Older units > generally have a separate sense antenna while the newest ones tend to have > the sense and loop antenna all in the same unit. > > The wire you describe sounds like a sense antenna. For the ADF to operate > as a direction finding device, you need to have some sort of "loop" antenna. > > The wire would have worked just fine for the low frequency range stations! > > How old is that Commander? Any possibility whet you removed was simply a > low frequency receiver? > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > > In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:49:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > bobf@feldtman.com writes: > > I'll have to see what brand. the antenna was just a wire with a spring up > to the tail. you can make that yourself real easy > > bobf > > > ------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com . > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:06 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: commander radios Good Evening Bob, That sounds like a Bendix manual loop receiver. The loop was mechanically actuated by that flex cable. In those days, what we now call ADF approaches were DF approaches and we could use a manual or even a fixed loop to execute the approach. Kind of a fun thing to do, but ADF made life a whole lot easier! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 6/19/2007 5:42:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bobf@feldtman.com writes: The commander is a 1964 and the ADF is an old coffee can crank type. Picks up AM radio great - used to fly along listening to Rush Limbaugh on some of the powerful AM stations. There is so much junk in the boxes of stuff they removed, there may be a loop antenna in there I didn't notice. The crank turned a cable all the way to the back! bobf ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.