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1. 07:08 AM - Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
2. 07:09 AM - 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay (Philip Guziec)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay (Barry Collman)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay (nico css)
6. 01:17 PM - 680FL & 680W Commanders (Barry Collman)
7. 03:01 PM - Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 07:19 PM - Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
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| Subject: | Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay |
bc, 47RR was involved in a prop strike on the right side due to a
mechanic hooking the hydraulic lines up backwards. the prop was
borrowed off of 2001m and it was replaced with new, unfortunately the
left one was illegal so now they are both new on 2001m. I suspicion
that since the a/c had no props on its sale there may be more in its
history. mason
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From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on
Ebay
Hello Phillip,
I expect there are guys on the list who can give you a run-down on the
performance of the Turbo 800 680FLP.
What I can tell you is that only 36 680FLP's were built, with two of
these subsequently converted to another Model (1 to 680FL, 1 to 680T).
Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion.
Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C.
I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some
input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not
sure.
Serial Number is 1477-5 (the 1,477th Commander built, and the 5th
Model 680FLP). Was first Certificated on December 27th 1964.
I haven't traced any accident damage, but I think there was a Form 337
dated August 4th 2004 outlining repairs to lower right fuselage and
belly.
That might indicate a collapse of the Right MLG, so it may be prudent
to ask.
I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any
idea what blade model is involved?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
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From: "Philip Guziec"
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
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| Anyone know the background on this plane? Can you commander experts
fill me in on the Mr RPM executive 800 conversion? Reputation,
performance, etc. What is the max pressure differential on these?
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| Seems like it'd be one hell of a capable airplane.
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| Phil
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| Subject: | 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay |
So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400 hp and
supercharged to turbocharged.
Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross.
It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction?
Phil
>Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion.
>Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C.
>I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some
>input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not
>sure.
>I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea
>what blade model is involved?
>Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the
>pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the
>engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing
>some pretty in-depth work...
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| Subject: | Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay |
pg,flp is a 8500lb a/c roc will depend on temp and alt. a/c has been a
work in progress for appox.5 years. mason call me if you like
817-517-4977
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Guziec<mailto:philipguziec@yahoo.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
<philipguziec@yahoo.com<mailto:philipguziec@yahoo.com>>
So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to
400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged.
Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross.
It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction?
Phil
>Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion.
>Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C.
>I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some
>input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm
not
>sure.
>I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any
idea
>what blade model is involved?
>Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the
>pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the
>engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing
>some pretty in-depth work...
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| Subject: | Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay |
Hi Phillip,
Yes, I forgot to mention that the Turbo 800 modification involved Rajay
Turbochargers being installed on the IO-720s, under STC SE62WE.
I too would like to know what the performance figures are for the Turbo
800.
Presumable factory figures supplied to Jane's "All The World's
Aircraft", the Single Engined ROC is stated to be 252fpm., although
earlier editions quoted 215fpm. These were at Sea Level and no doubt
"standard atmospheric conditions".
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Guziec" <philipguziec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
<philipguziec@yahoo.com>
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| So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to
400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged.
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| Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross.
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| It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction?
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| Phil
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| >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion.
| >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C.
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| >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some
| >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm
not
| >sure.
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| >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any
idea
| >what blade model is involved?
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| >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the
| >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the
| >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing
| >some pretty in-depth work...
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| Subject: | 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay |
So, at that configuration, it's also just hanging in the air waiting for a
sky hook.
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Hi Phillip,
Yes, I forgot to mention that the Turbo 800 modification involved Rajay
Turbochargers being installed on the IO-720s, under STC SE62WE.
I too would like to know what the performance figures are for the Turbo 800.
Presumable factory figures supplied to Jane's "All The World's Aircraft",
the Single Engined ROC is stated to be 252fpm., although earlier editions
quoted 215fpm. These were at Sea Level and no doubt "standard atmospheric
conditions".
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Guziec" < <mailto:philipguziec@yahoo.com>
philipguziec@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
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| So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400
hp and supercharged to turbocharged.
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| Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross.
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| It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction?
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| Phil
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| >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion.
| >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C.
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| >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some
| >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not
| >sure.
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| >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea
| >what blade model is involved?
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| >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the
| >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the
| >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing
| >some pretty in-depth work...
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| Subject: | 680FL & 680W Commanders |
Hi All,
John Towner cannot seem to post anything on the chatlist at the moment.
He blames it on an old computer and not a very good computer operator,
but I don't believe the last option for one second!
Anyway, his message follows:
Dear TCFG Group,
We use to own 2 680FL's and 1 680W with the Garrett 331 dash ? engines
making about 500 SHP. I think they were 8,500 gross aircraft. (all 3 of
our 680 aircraft were the long fuselage aircraft) Basically none of the
3 would climb very well at gross weight and on one engine were really
under powered. We had an engine failure on takeoff with one of our
680FL's off of ICT airport operating 1,500 lb. under gross and with an
OAT around 50F. We almost did not make it but we got the aircraft to
about 300 AGL and then came back around and landed safely. After that I
told our cargo customer we could not operate the 680FL's for them any
longer and we ran 2 500B on the route. One time taking off out of
Colorado Springs on a hot summer day at gross weight in our 680W I made
the comment to my dad if we lose an engine on this takeoff we better
just hope we have some altitude below us for I don't think we can climb
this aircraft on one engine today.
I visited with several of the Rockwell engineers (primarily Pete
Peterson) and I was told Rockwell was very interested in not building
the 680FL's and 680 turbo's and that is how the 690 series research was
started and the 690 was born. Basically Rockwell reworked the wing and
put the engines farther away from the fuselage and lengthened the
propellers and put dash 5 Garrett 331 power on the 690 700+ SHP and then
in 1978 Bob Hoover broke the World climb record to FL310 in the 690B
model.
My opinion on all of the above, the 680's with the long fuselage are
wonderful flying aircraft but are not the best on 1 engine and are under
powered for their weight and wing loading.
My reason for writing the above Central Air has been to the school of
hard knocks with the above and maybe the above info will help one or
some of the TCFG folks from a bad problem or can help avert a bad
problem or prevent an accident. The other basic problem with the IO-540
supercharged/turbo-charged and then putting a gear box on the front you
will only gain another 75-80 HP and now you are pulling 45 inches of MP
on takeoff and this will help cause cylinder cracking. Also with the
direct drive IO-720 (Mr RPM engine) you can get a little more HP but
still at 500 SPH with the 680W it did not fix the climb problem.
NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the problems
the 680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a 680E 600
hours in the 1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and that
aircraft went straight up on one engine.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
John Towner
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
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| Subject: | Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders |
In a message dated 6/24/2007 1:19:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the problems the
680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a 680E 600 hours in the
1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and that aircraft went straight up
on one engine.
I could not have said it better myself!! That is why I fly one. Thanks John
for a great bit of empirical data!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders |
I sure like mine. mason 680Fp, mrrpm conversion 2001M
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To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680FL & 680W Commanders
In a message dated 6/24/2007 1:19:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
writes:
NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the
problems the 680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a
680E 600 hours in the 1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and
that aircraft went straight up on one engine.
I could not have said it better myself!! That is why I fly one.
Thanks John for a great bit of empirical data!! jb
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