Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 07/20/07


Total Messages Posted: 31



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     1. 05:40 AM - Re: New Interior (dphifer)
     2. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: New Interior (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
     3. 05:53 AM - Re: Paint schemes (dphifer)
     4. 08:14 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (CloudCraft@aol.com)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Paint schemes (Robert S. Randazzo)
     6. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Paint schemes (nico css)
     7. 09:17 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (Barry Collman)
     8. 09:33 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (CloudCraft@aol.com)
     9. 09:34 AM - Re: 500B (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    10. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Paint schemes (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
    11. 09:52 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
    12. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Paint schemes (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    13. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Paint schemes (Dave Phifer)
    14. 10:53 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (David Owens)
    15. 11:00 AM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (David Owens)
    16. 11:52 AM - AC680E Weight & Balance Form (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    17. 11:54 AM - Sample AC680E W&B form (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    18. 12:12 PM - AC-680-FL W&B form (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    19. 12:41 PM - Re: AC-680-FL W&B form (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    20. 12:58 PM - Re: AC-680-FL W&B form (Don Girod)
    21. 12:59 PM - Re: Airport Code: LAT (Barry Collman)
    22. 01:06 PM - Re: AC-680-FL W&B form (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    23. 01:22 PM - Re: AC-680-FL W&B form (Steve at Col-East)
    24. 02:00 PM - Aero Commander 500 shot down (Barry Collman)
    25. 02:32 PM - AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    26. 03:48 PM - Re: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form (nico css)
    27. 05:16 PM - Re: New Interior (Skyhawkc-172)
    28. 06:11 PM - T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    29. 06:47 PM - Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet (nico css)
    30. 08:09 PM - Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet (Steve @ Col-East)
    31. 09:02 PM - Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:40:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Interior
    From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com>
    Brent: I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features and truly took pride in their work. I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your interested) you can email me at dave@phifersysytems.com All the best, -Dave --------------------------- Boyd Interiors 104 Airport lane Mena, Arkansas 71953 Office: 479-243-0151 Fax: 479-243-0355 Cell: 479-234-0223 boydinteriors@yahoo.com -------- All the best, -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124929#124929 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_rear_bench_1_478.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_copilot_armrest_455.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_forward_look_head_liner_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_inside_by_door_914.jpg


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    Time: 05:53:51 AM PST US
    From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: New Interior
    Dave, Great! hope your pics make it. If they don't my email is skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Thanks Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com> > > Brent: > > I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a > very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features > and truly took pride in their work. > > I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your > interested) you can email me at dave@phifersysytems.com > > All the best, > > -Dave > > --------------------------- > > Boyd Interiors > 104 Airport lane > Mena, Arkansas 71953 > Office: 479-243-0151 > Fax: 479-243-0355 > Cell: 479-234-0223 > boydinteriors@yahoo.com > > -------- > All the best, > > -Dave > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124929#124929 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_rear_bench_1_478.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_copilot_armrest_455.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_forward_look_head_liner_163.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_inside_by_door_914.jpg > > > > > > > <html><body> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Dave,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Great! hope your pics make it.&nbsp; If they don't my email is <A href="mailto:skyhawkc-172@comcast.net">skyhawkc-172@comcast.net</A></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV>Brent - N224HA</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "dphifer" &lt;dave@phifer-sys.com&gt; <BR><BR>&gt; --&gt; Commander-List message posted by: "dphifer" <DAVE@PHIFER-SYS.COM><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Brent: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a <BR>&gt; very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features <BR>&gt; and truly took pride in their work. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your <BR>&gt; interested) you can email me at dave@phifersysytems.com <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; All the best, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -Dave <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; --------------------------- <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Boyd Interiors <BR>&gt; 104 Airport lane <BR>&gt; Mena, Arkansas 71953 <BR>&gt; Office: 479-243-0151 <BR>&gt; Fax: 479-243-0355 <BR>&gt; Cell: 479-234-0223 <BR>&gt; boydinteriors@yahoo.com <BR>&g t; <BR p://ww <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 05:53:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes
    From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com>
    I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg


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    Time: 08:14:24 AM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    In a message dated 19-Jul-07 12:09:44 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I think "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal, at Burbank. If I'm wrong, no doubt somebody well let me know. Sir Barry, Can you scan the photo and upload it? I bet one or two of us would actually recognize the field! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 08:38:48 AM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes
    Dave- Very nice looking airplane! Robert Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dphifer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Paint schemes I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg __________ NOD32 2409 (20070720) Information __________


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    Time: 09:15:16 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes
    This is just soooo damn sexy... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dphifer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Paint schemes I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg


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    Time: 09:17:31 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    Hi Keith, I've attached a scan of the color slide in question. As you'll see, there isn't much to go on in the way detail in the background. I'm sure though now that "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal and this had its name changed in 1975, to "Burbank Glendale-Pasadena Airport". Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT In a message dated 19-Jul-07 12:09:44 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I think "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal, at Burbank. If I'm wrong, no doubt somebody well let me know. Sir Barry, Can you scan the photo and upload it? I bet one or two of us would actually recognize the field! Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 09:33:34 AM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 09:34:26 AM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 500B
    In a message dated 19-Jul-07 17:20:11 Pacific Daylight Time, skyhawkc-172@comcast.net writes: Does the Aero-Star also have the same handles as the Commanders ? Yes, at least on the outside. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 09:45:49 AM PST US
    From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes
    Dave, I am a new 680 owner and also looking forward to meeting other commander owners. I also need a paint job. Not trying to be personel but what price range was your pain job / Thanks Gil ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 09:52:09 AM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: Airport Code: LAT
    Not to mention the smog! Looks like Burbank to me. Moe N680RR _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> .


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    Time: 10:37:26 AM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes
    g, quote on my 680Fp @ texas aerocolor is $15,000. mason From: WINGFLYER1@aol.comDate: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:45:19 -0400Subject: Re: C ommander-List: Re: Paint schemesTo: commander-list@matronics.com Dave, I am a new 680 owner and also looking forward to meeting other comman der owners. I also need a paint job. Not trying to be personel but what pri ce range was your pain job / Thanks Gil Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 10:46:46 AM PST US
    From: Dave Phifer <dave@phifer-sys.com>
    Subject: Re: Paint schemes


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    Time: 10:53:47 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    Not in answer to your LAT question, but at least some trivia about the Lockheed Airport(s) beginnings... go to http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Airfields_CA_SanFernan.htm#lockheedb1 to view these "ghost-airfields" of the day... very cool. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:00:19 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    "The Lockheed factory airstrip was in use until about 1941, when the P-38 came out. The P-38s were towed down Empire Street in the middle of the night to the newly acquired Burbank (Union) Air Terminal, which was renamed 'Lockheed Air Terminal'". David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:52:58 AM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: AC680E Weight & Balance Form
    OK, Lads, Here's the first of a few of the Weight & Balance forms I created for Inter Island Air (a FAR 135 operation in Pago Pago). Not sophisicated like Dr David Fitzgerald's automated forms, but intended to meet the FARs that require a hard copy of pax manifest and W&B to be left at point of departure. They were a 2 part NCR form when produced. Operating as an air carrier is all about paper work and little to do with flying an airplane ... Anway, the top row needs to be filled out with your empty weight / arm / moment. >From there, you add weights, subtotal, find C.G. As you work the form, you can see your C.G. shift with pax loading (running forward, fast!) and then you can see the C.G. pull aft with cargo and fuel. I will upload an example form. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 11:54:59 AM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Sample AC680E W&B form
    Here is an example of how this form was used; it should give you an idea of how the form operates. It represents a fairly typical flight I would do between Samoan islands in the AC-680E. Wing Commander Gordon. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 12:12:56 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: AC-680-FL W&B form
    OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Balance work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 12:41:58 PM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: AC-680-FL W&B form
    kg, how about a 680Fp? mason From: CloudCraft@aol.comDate: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:12:03 -0400Subject: Comma nder-List: AC-680-FL W&B formTo: commander-list@matronics.com OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Bala nce work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 12:58:05 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
    When I had my 560E painted a couple of years ago, it started out at 12K but by the time I had the skin joints sealed then a few leading edge dints filled etc, it was $ 15K, and that was a couple years ago, they did a nice job, stripped and treated the skin. In Griffin, GA. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form kg, how about a 680Fp? mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: CloudCraft@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:12:03 -0400 Subject: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form To: commander-list@matronics.com OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Balance work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/19/2007 6:10 PM


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    Time: 12:59:24 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
    Hi Guys! Thanks! Lockheed Air Terminal (later Burbank) it is then ;-) Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 01:06:45 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
    In a message dated 20-Jul-07 12:42:49 Pacific Daylight Time, kamala@MSN.COM writes: kg, how about a 680Fp? mason Mason, Sadly, I never built one for the AC-680-F(P). There are just too few of you guys! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 01:22:38 PM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
    This is good information. If Dr. David doesn't mind, after I'm finished I can post a spreadsheet that could probably be easily adapted to any of the Commanders. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form In a message dated 20-Jul-07 12:42:49 Pacific Daylight Time, kamala@MSN.COM writes: kg, how about a 680Fp? mason Mason, Sadly, I never built one for the AC-680-F(P). There are just too few of you guys! Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 02:00:00 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Aero Commander 500 shot down
    Hi Guys, While browsing the Internet recently, I found that the website: http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_167.shtml is reporting that an "Aerocommander 500" was shot down while drug-running on April 14th 2003 by a Honduran AT-27, which is a light attack version of the Embraer EMB312 Tucano. Does anyone know anything more? Very Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 02:32:34 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form
    Gentlemen, I have to apologize. I've been rummaging around looking for the 12 year old disc with the AC-500 series Weight & Balance work sheet. I cannot find it. My hope was to upload this document so anyone who wanted to, could jigger it to fit their own needs. But as my Third Grade teacher used to say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." In its stead, I offer up a scan of the last hard copy I have of this form. The Weight/Moment table is microscopic and difficult to read. I'm sorry. My eyes were better suited to this size print in 1995. So there you have it. Do what you will with it. By the way, these were part of the hand-outs I'd give after my lesson on Commander Weight & Balance, as the tidal wave of avionics retrofits were happening in the early 1990s. The heavy tube fired radios that the airplane was balanced upon (on racks just aft of the rear baggage bulkhead) were being yanked out and panel mount gizmos were going in -- to the detriment of the Commander's balance. I was on a campaign to get weights hung on the tail stringers to pull the C.G. back to where it should be. Gary Gadberry announced at an early TCFG Fly-In that we would do that with his mods from then on. As more and more avionics migrate to the front, please keep in mind what that will do to your typical pilot & 1 passenger, low fuel, no cargo, C.G. Ted Smith designs are the only piston twins (that I'm aware of) that have C.G. move forward with fuel burn. This is to your advantage, but you don't want too much of a good thing! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 03:48:22 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form
    Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form Gentlemen, I have to apologize. I've been rummaging around looking for the 12 year old disc with the AC-500 series Weight & Balance work sheet. I cannot find it. My hope was to upload this document so anyone who wanted to, could jigger it to fit their own needs. But as my Third Grade teacher used to say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." In its stead, I offer up a scan of the last hard copy I have of this form. The Weight/Moment table is microscopic and difficult to read. I'm sorry. My eyes were better suited to this size print in 1995. So there you have it. Do what you will with it. By the way, these were part of the hand-outs I'd give after my lesson on Commander Weight & Balance, as the tidal wave of avionics retrofits were happening in the early 1990s. The heavy tube fired radios that the airplane was balanced upon (on racks just aft of the rear baggage bulkhead) were being yanked out and panel mount gizmos were going in -- to the detriment of the Commander's balance. I was on a campaign to get weights hung on the tail stringers to pull the C.G. back to where it should be. Gary Gadberry announced at an early TCFG Fly-In that we would do that with his mods from then on. As more and more avionics migrate to the front, please keep in mind what that will do to your typical pilot & 1 passenger, low fuel, no cargo, C.G. Ted Smith designs are the only piston twins (that I'm aware of) that have C.G. move forward with fuel burn. This is to your advantage, but you don't want too much of a good thing! Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> .


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    Time: 05:16:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Interior
    From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172@comcast.net>
    Dave, one of the nicest interiors I've seen. thanks for the pics, looks like an A1 quality job. Brent - N224HA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125038#125038


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    Time: 06:11:40 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
    In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? _http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls_ (http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls) Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 06:47:26 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
    I must plead innocence here. This was uploaded some years ago by someone whose name I cannot remember. I believe it's for the 500 series but should be easily adaptable to any other model if the constants and formulas are adjusted. Anyone remember who put this together? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> .


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    Time: 08:09:14 PM PST US
    From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
    Nice sheet. I can maybe roll that into a W&B so data is entered only once. Most (?) PDA's should run spreadsheets. I think? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs. xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.


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    Time: 09:02:11 PM PST US
    From: <andrew.bridget@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
    I know there is a spreadsheet version for Palm that allows one to work with Excel spreadsheets. I have a pretty old Palm and looked at buying the software at one time, but decided to get a notebook instead. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve @ Col-East To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet Nice sheet. I can maybe roll that into a W&B so data is entered only once. Most (?) PDA's should run spreadsheets. I think? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs. xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com




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