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1. 06:18 AM - Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (Jerry Sprayberry)
2. 07:25 AM - Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (Myron Ashley)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
6. 12:57 PM - 500A (Bill Bow)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: 500A ()
8. 01:24 PM - Re: 500A (cloudcraft@aol.com)
9. 01:32 PM - Re: 500A (John Vormbaum)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: 500A (Barry Collman)
11. 01:37 PM - Re: 500A (Bill Bow)
12. 01:39 PM - Re: 500A (Bill Bow)
13. 02:15 PM - Re: 500A (BillLeff1@aol.com)
14. 02:21 PM - Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot (Kerry Johnson)
15. 02:21 PM - Re: Outflow Valve (BillLeff1@aol.com)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A (Jerry Sprayberry)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: 500A (nico css)
18. 02:30 PM - Re: Pressurization Control Panel (BillLeff1@aol.com)
19. 02:32 PM - Re: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot (nico css)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot (Kerry Johnson)
21. 03:07 PM - Re: 500A (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
22. 03:27 PM - Re: Outflow Valve (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
23. 04:16 PM - Re: 500A (Bill Bow)
24. 07:57 PM - Re: 500A (Don Girod)
25. 10:31 PM - Re: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot (nico css)
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| Subject: | Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
Moe, and all Commander Folks,
Thanks for your reply on the Oil Pressure, Input's from the other AC 680
Owners and Drivers will be appreciated.
I was not aware that the Oil Pump had a history of being weak, (Morris)
said it was capable of up to 400 PSI.
1. I have not checked my O/P Gage, It was ok on the old Engine
2. Columbia Aircraft Services has checked the Pressure at four
different places and it is the same.
3. NO. The Pressure drop's to around 63 PSI in flight, Green Band
is 70-80.
4. The O/P is OK for Ground OPS with a lot of power, 1500 Plus.
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, I will contact Gary.
Regarding the oil pressure problem. It is generally accepted that the
oil pumps on the IGSO 540 series are too small. I can't remember the
GPM (gallons per minute), however, this has been, as I understand it, a
long standing problem. Once the pump has in-adequate volume, no amount
of spring shimming will raise the oil pressure. Some suggestions:
1.. Have you checked the accuracy of your oil pressure gage? (Laugh,
but I have heard some real horror stories)
2.. Screw an oil pressure gage into the oil galley at the front of the
engine and compare the oil pressure on the two gages. Lycoming has a
maximum differential that is acceptable, again, I can't remember what it
is, but will look it up for you if necessary.
3.. Will the oil pressure stay in the green while in flight?
4.. Will the engine maintain a minimum of 35 PSI at hot idle and about
1,500 RPM (minimum for the fuel pump computer to work)?
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
Jerry Sprayberry
706 506-3167
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| Subject: | Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
js, there is a ball/socket on the io 720 that when worn or corrosion will
cause a lower o/p reading. interestingly enough it will decrease w/ altitu
de and increase on the way back down. there is a factory fix but suspect a
t overhaul is most cost efficient time to do it. mason
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mander-List: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1ADate: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:16:29 -0400
Moe, and all Commander Folks,
Thanks for your reply on the Oil Pressure, Input's from the other AC 680 Ow
ners and Drivers will be appreciated.
I was not aware that the Oil Pump had a history of being weak, (Morris) sai
d it was capable of up to 400 PSI.
1. I have not checked my O/P Gage, It was ok on the old Engine
2. Columbia Aircraft Services has checked the Pressure at four diffe
rent places and it is the same.
3. NO. The Pressure drop's to around 63 PSI in flight, Green Band is
70-80.
4. The O/P is OK for Ground OPS with a lot of power, 1500 Plus.
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, I will contact Gary.
Regarding the oil pressure problem. It is generally accepted that the oil
pumps on the IGSO 540 series are too small. I can=92t remember the GPM (g
allons per minute), however, this has been, as I understand it, a long stan
ding problem. Once the pump has in-adequate volume, no amount of spring sh
imming will raise the oil pressure. Some suggestions:
Have you checked the accuracy of your oil pressure gage? (Laugh, but I hav
e heard some real horror stories)
Screw an oil pressure gage into the oil galley at the front of the engine a
nd compare the oil pressure on the two gages. Lycoming has a maximum diffe
rential that is acceptable, again, I can=92t remember what it is, but will
look it up for you if necessary.
Will the oil pressure stay in the green while in flight?
Will the engine maintain a minimum of 35 PSI at hot idle and about 1,500 RP
M (minimum for the fuel pump computer to work)?
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
Jerry Sprayberry706 506-3167
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
Hello Jerry,
I am not an engine expert but I have a little hydraulic experience. Here
is a viewpoint from a hydraulic perspective.
Pumps - Oil pressure is the measurement of resistance to flow. A pump
does not produce pressure, it produces flow. The pump has a pressure
rating that is the pressure that it can withstand before failure. With
that being said, low oil pressure means that the pump is not producing
the same flow as before (defective or worn pump), or the oil has found
an alternate path of least resistance (a crack or a missing internal
plug in an oil galley).
The function of a relief valve is to protect the hydraulic system from
going over a certain pressure setting. A relief valve is a normally
closed valve that only opens when oil pressure exceeds the spring
setting. A faulty relief valve (weak spring or valve does not completely
reseat therefore it is leaking) will also cause low oil pressure because
it is opening before the desired pressure setting.
The most likely cause of low oil pressure would be a pump not producing
correct flow (faulty or worn pump) or relief valve opening before
desired system pressure (spring setting) is achieved (faulty spring or
valve seat).
I hope this helps!
Myron Ashley
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From: Jerry Sprayberry
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A
Moe, and all Commander Folks,
Thanks for your reply on the Oil Pressure, Input's from the other AC
680 Owners and Drivers will be appreciated.
I was not aware that the Oil Pump had a history of being weak,
(Morris) said it was capable of up to 400 PSI.
1. I have not checked my O/P Gage, It was ok on the old
Engine
2. Columbia Aircraft Services has checked the Pressure at four
different places and it is the same.
3. NO. The Pressure drop's to around 63 PSI in flight, Green
Band is 70-80.
4. The O/P is OK for Ground OPS with a lot of power, 1500 Plus.
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, I will contact Gary.
Regarding the oil pressure problem. It is generally accepted that
the oil pumps on the IGSO 540 series are too small. I can't remember
the GPM (gallons per minute), however, this has been, as I understand
it, a long standing problem. Once the pump has in-adequate volume, no
amount of spring shimming will raise the oil pressure. Some
suggestions:
1.. Have you checked the accuracy of your oil pressure gage?
(Laugh, but I have heard some real horror stories)
2.. Screw an oil pressure gage into the oil galley at the front of
the engine and compare the oil pressure on the two gages. Lycoming has
a maximum differential that is acceptable, again, I can't remember what
it is, but will look it up for you if necessary.
3.. Will the oil pressure stay in the green while in flight?
4.. Will the engine maintain a minimum of 35 PSI at hot idle and
about 1,500 RPM (minimum for the fuel pump computer to work)?
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
Jerry Sprayberry
706 506-3167
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
Jerry,
In my days of IGSO-540 flying, it was suggested that an oil pressure drop
that could not be adjusted at pump output was a sign of a main bearing going bad.
Hard to imagine that with a recent o/h engine but stranger things have
happened.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
Jerry,
The oil pump on these engines seems to be capable of lots of pressure, but
not much volume. It is entirely possible to have a pump which will put out
lots of PSI pressure at a very low volume, but as the volume demand
increases (too much clearance between the rod and/or main bearings and the
crankshaft, a missing oil spray nozzle for the underside of the pistons,
ect.) the pressure goes down dramatically. Myron and Wing Commander Gordon
are correct. Generally, if the engine is very worn with lots of clearance
between the worn parts, which allows the oil to escape back into the sump
using the path of least resistance, your biggest problem will be at hot idle
(low oil pump speed and lots of clearance for the oil to squirt out at).
When I had two very worn engines in my bird the oil pressure would barely
stay in the green in the air, however, on the ground and hot there was not
enough oil pressure (below 35PSI) to make the fuel metering system work, so
it would run so rich that it was hard to keep it lit when landing, and you
had to manually lean it out on the roll out.
Since you can maintain pressure at high idle (1,500 RPM) on the ground,
but not at higher RPM, based on my old race car experience, be sure that the
inlet oil line from the tank to the pump does not have a "flapper" in it
that is reducing the amount of oil that is available for the pump. Check
all of the fittings on the inlet side for restrictions. In short be sure
that the line from the dry sump tank to the oil pump is not restricted. Did
you say that the pump relief spring was already shimmed with seven washers
when it came from Perf. Aero, or did someone else add these at a later time?
Regards,
Moe
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A
Moe, and all Commander Folks,
Thanks for your reply on the Oil Pressure, Input's from the other AC 680
Owners and Drivers will be appreciated.
I was not aware that the Oil Pump had a history of being weak, (Morris) said
it was capable of up to 400 PSI.
1. I have not checked my O/P Gage, It was ok on the old Engine
2. Columbia Aircraft Services has checked the Pressure at four
different places and it is the same.
3. NO. The Pressure drop's to around 63 PSI in flight, Green Band is
70-80.
4. The O/P is OK for Ground OPS with a lot of power, 1500 Plus.
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, I will contact Gary.
Regarding the oil pressure problem. It is generally accepted that the oil
pumps on the IGSO 540 series are too small. I can't remember the GPM
(gallons per minute), however, this has been, as I understand it, a long
standing problem. Once the pump has in-adequate volume, no amount of spring
shimming will raise the oil pressure. Some suggestions:
1. Have you checked the accuracy of your oil pressure gage? (Laugh,
but I have heard some real horror stories)
2. Screw an oil pressure gage into the oil galley at the front of the
engine and compare the oil pressure on the two gages. Lycoming has a
maximum differential that is acceptable, again, I can't remember what it is,
but will look it up for you if necessary.
3. Will the oil pressure stay in the green while in flight?
4. Will the engine maintain a minimum of 35 PSI at hot idle and about
1,500 RPM (minimum for the fuel pump computer to work)?
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
Jerry Sprayberry
706 506-3167
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Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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500AHi Bill,
If I remember correctly you were one of the many that provided some
helpful comments about Commanders and was supportive of me when I was
writing my book. Again thank you for that. I hope you will still
frequent the lists - I do and I'm not a Commander owner; I wish I was,
and again I'm glad I'm not, if that makes any sense.
God bless,
Andrew
do not archive
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Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.
=C2- Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass alo
ng.
Where is your plane going?=C2- It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished.=C2- As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner.=C2
- I wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I
would still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community.=C2- However, I have decided it
would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway.=C2- I
have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably neve
r meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here than =9Cgold
diggers=9D.
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
=9CCommander ownership is not for everybody=9D.
Well, it=99s not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
________________________________________________________________________
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Bill,
I'm sorry to hear that you've sold your Commander. As a person who has
experienced ownership at the opposite end of the spectrum from you (I
love my airplane & it's taken good care of me), I wish wholeheartedly
that you had had a positive experience.
I do understand that Commander ownership isn't for everybody, but I hope
one day that you'll again be seduced by one of these fine airplanes.
Stay on the list regardless!!!
/John
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I
> wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I
> would still own it today.
>
> I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a_
> few_ of those involved in the Commander community. However, I have
> decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s----
> anyway. I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I
> will probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys
> here than gold diggers.
>
> I will always remember the_ supportive_ words of one person on this
> list Commander ownership is not for everybody.
>
> Well, its not for me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Bow
>
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Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump
saga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
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To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the
list. Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass
along.
Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the
distress calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I
wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I
would still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a
few of those involved in the Commander community. However, I have
decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s----
anyway. I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will
probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here
than =9Cgold diggers=9D.
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
=9CCommander ownership is not for everybody=9D.
Well, it=99s not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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N78379 is going to The Kings Wings. It is a missionary group out of south
Florida.
bb
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cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.
Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.
Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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THAT'S ME!!
SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP
Love it.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump
saga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
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From: cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.
Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.
Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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Thanks Andrew
Bill
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| Subject: | Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot |
Hi Guys:
Wow, what a trial this has been tying to buy a good Turboprop airplane. We
thought we had a nice Twin Commander 1000, a few months ago, but the owner
backed out. Then we looked at some different jets and we ended up buying
N46FD which is a Piper Cheyenne LS400.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278
<http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278&return_url=/
i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtypeid=3xxxxxmmgi
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It's back in CT and I'm going to go get it and bring it back home SGU on
Monday, so I should be back sometime early next week. I'll check in and let
you know how it flies when I get back and get settled.
We are also looking to hire a pilot besides me to fly the plane so if you
know anyone that would be good, please have them contact me.
Thanks!
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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| Subject: | Re: Outflow Valve |
The test must have worked?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A |
Moe,
The Engine was delivered in a crate with Performance Engines written on
all sides.
I unpacked the engine and removed the clear plastic wrapping myself, The
washers were in the regulator.
We found the washers when we tried to adjust the pressure to 75 PSI at
2200 RPM.
JS
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A
Jerry,
The oil pump on these engines seems to be capable of lots of pressure,
but not much volume. It is entirely possible to have a pump which will
put out lots of PSI pressure at a very low volume, but as the volume
demand increases (too much clearance between the rod and/or main
bearings and the crankshaft, a missing oil spray nozzle for the
underside of the pistons, ect.) the pressure goes down dramatically.
Myron and Wing Commander Gordon are correct. Generally, if the engine is
very worn with lots of clearance between the worn parts, which allows
the oil to escape back into the sump using the path of least resistance,
your biggest problem will be at hot idle (low oil pump speed and lots of
clearance for the oil to squirt out at). When I had two very worn
engines in my bird the oil pressure would barely stay in the green in
the air, however, on the ground and hot there was not enough oil
pressure (below 35PSI) to make the fuel metering system work, so it
would run so rich that it was hard to keep it lit when landing, and you
had to manually lean it out on the roll out.
Since you can maintain pressure at high idle (1,500 RPM) on the
ground, but not at higher RPM, based on my old race car experience, be
sure that the inlet oil line from the tank to the pump does not have a
"flapper" in it that is reducing the amount of oil that is available for
the pump. Check all of the fittings on the inlet side for restrictions.
In short be sure that the line from the dry sump tank to the oil pump
is not restricted. Did you say that the pump relief spring was already
shimmed with seven washers when it came from Perf. Aero, or did someone
else add these at a later time?
Regards,
Moe
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:16 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Oil Pressure IGSO 540 B1A
Moe, and all Commander Folks,
Thanks for your reply on the Oil Pressure, Input's from the other AC
680 Owners and Drivers will be appreciated.
I was not aware that the Oil Pump had a history of being weak,
(Morris) said it was capable of up to 400 PSI.
1. I have not checked my O/P Gage, It was ok on the old
Engine
2. Columbia Aircraft Services has checked the Pressure at four
different places and it is the same.
3. NO. The Pressure drop's to around 63 PSI in flight, Green
Band is 70-80.
4. The O/P is OK for Ground OPS with a lot of power, 1500 Plus.
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, I will contact Gary.
Regarding the oil pressure problem. It is generally accepted that the
oil pumps on the IGSO 540 series are too small. I can't remember the
GPM (gallons per minute), however, this has been, as I understand it, a
long standing problem. Once the pump has in-adequate volume, no amount
of spring shimming will raise the oil pressure. Some suggestions:
1.. Have you checked the accuracy of your oil pressure gage?
(Laugh, but I have heard some real horror stories)
2.. Screw an oil pressure gage into the oil galley at the front of
the engine and compare the oil pressure on the two gages. Lycoming has
a maximum differential that is acceptable, again, I can't remember what
it is, but will look it up for you if necessary.
3.. Will the oil pressure stay in the green while in flight?
4.. Will the engine maintain a minimum of 35 PSI at hot idle and
about 1,500 RPM (minimum for the fuel pump computer to work)?
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
Jerry Sprayberry
706 506-3167
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Bilbo,
Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? - pulling no
punches. It's refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement,
it's how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes
and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
THAT'S ME!!
SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP
Love it.
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump
saga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.
Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.
Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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Anytime!
Bill
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| Subject: | Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot |
A retired B777 pilot's looking for a job. I heard him call Rush today.
Perhaps Rush's people could put you onto him. He got screwed by his union
which reduced his pension by some gadawful amount and now he must go back to
the left seat.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
Hi Guys:
Wow, what a trial this has been tying to buy a good Turboprop airplane. We
thought we had a nice Twin Commander 1000, a few months ago, but the owner
backed out. Then we looked at some different jets and we ended up buying
N46FD which is a Piper Cheyenne LS400.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278
<http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278&return_url=/
i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtypeid=3xxxxxmmgi
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It's back in CT and I'm going to go get it and bring it back home SGU on
Monday, so I should be back sometime early next week. I'll check in and let
you know how it flies when I get back and get settled.
We are also looking to hire a pilot besides me to fly the plane so if you
know anyone that would be good, please have them contact me
Thanks!
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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I heard that guy too. I sent an email to Rush, but I'll be real surprised if
I get any response, he says he gets 10,000 emails a day.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
A retired B777 pilot's looking for a job. I heard him call Rush today.
Perhaps Rush's people could put you onto him. He got screwed by his union
which reduced his pension by some gadawful amount and now he must go back to
the left seat.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
Hi Guys:
Wow, what a trial this has been tying to buy a good Turboprop airplane. We
thought we had a nice Twin Commander 1000, a few months ago, but the owner
backed out. Then we looked at some different jets and we ended up buying
N46FD which is a Piper Cheyenne LS400.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278
<http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278&return_url=/
i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtypeid=3xxxxxmmgi
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&return_url=/i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtype
id=3xxxxxmmgid=9xxxxxmodelgroup=truexxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxregionid=-1
It's back in CT and I'm going to go get it and bring it back home SGU on
Monday, so I should be back sometime early next week. I'll check in and let
you know how it flies when I get back and get settled.
We are also looking to hire a pilot besides me to fly the plane so if you
know anyone that would be good, please have them contact me
Thanks!
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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bilbo, i agree & what book? mason
From: nico@cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: 500ADate: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:28:52 -0700
Bilbo,
Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? ' pulling no punc
hes. It=92s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it
=92s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistake
s and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill BowSent: Wednesday, August 08, 20
07 1:39 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
THAT=92S ME!!
SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP
Love it.
bilbo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry CollmanSent: Wednesday, August 0
8, 2007 4:33 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List:
500A
Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump sa
ga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the
list. Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass al
ong.Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>To: comman
der-list@matronics.comSent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 amSubject: Commander-List
: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would st
ill own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few o
f those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it wo
uld be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have m
ade a lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet
. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here than =93gold diggers=94.
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list =93C
ommander ownership is not for everybody=94.
Well, it=92s not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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Yes, Bill it did. Thank you for your wise council.
Moe
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Outflow Valve
The test must have worked?
Bill
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I'll consider it.
bb
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? - pulling no
punches. It's refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement,
it's how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistakes
and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
THAT'S ME!!
SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP
Love it.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump
saga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the list.
Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass along.
Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I
wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I
would still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a
few of those involved in the Commander community. However, I have
decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s----
anyway. I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will
probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here
than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
Bill;You are fortunate in that you still get to sit in the big bird and
fly. It was when I could no longer do that, that I bought my Commander.
I too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far, mine has
been just what I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly enough.
However, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplanes
and hard to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.I
would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander
ownership is not for everybody, but it should be".Keep the shinny side
up,Don
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I am a subscriber to "Rush in a hurry" and it's mentioned there. I'll check
out Rush's website; perhaps a name is dropped. Who knows.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
I heard that guy too. I sent an email to Rush, but I'll be real surprised if
I get any response, he says he gets 10,000 emails a day.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
A retired B777 pilot's looking for a job. I heard him call Rush today.
Perhaps Rush's people could put you onto him. He got screwed by his union
which reduced his pension by some gadawful amount and now he must go back to
the left seat.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
Hi Guys:
Wow, what a trial this has been tying to buy a good Turboprop airplane. We
thought we had a nice Twin Commander 1000, a few months ago, but the owner
backed out. Then we looked at some different jets and we ended up buying
N46FD which is a Piper Cheyenne LS400.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278
<http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278&return_url=/
i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtypeid=3xxxxxmmgi
d=9xxxxxmodelgroup=truexxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxregionid=-1>
&return_url=/i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtype
id=3xxxxxmmgid=9xxxxxmodelgroup=truexxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxregionid=-1
It's back in CT and I'm going to go get it and bring it back home SGU on
Monday, so I should be back sometime early next week. I'll check in and let
you know how it flies when I get back and get settled.
We are also looking to hire a pilot besides me to fly the plane so if you
know anyone that would be good, please have them contact me
Thanks!
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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