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1. 04:44 AM - Re: 500A (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: 500A ()
3. 06:15 AM - Re: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot (Kerry Johnson)
4. 09:27 AM - Re: 500A (Robert S. Randazzo)
5. 09:35 AM - Re: 500A (Craig Lundborg)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: 500A (Bruce Campbell)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: 500A (David Owens)
8. 10:27 AM - Re: 500A (David Owens)
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bb, please! mason
From: bowing74@earthlink.netTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Co
mmander-List: 500ADate: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:15:41 -0400
I=92ll consider it.
bb
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico cssSent: Wednesday, August 08, 20
07 5:29 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,
Would you be kind enough to write down your experience? ' pulling no punc
hes. It=92s refreshing for any group to hear critique and encouragement, it
=92s how things get better, otherwise we will, no doubt, repeat our mistake
s and, perhaps unwittingly, ignore our strengths.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill BowSent: Wednesday, August 08, 20
07 1:39 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
THAT=92S ME!!
SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP, SUMP, SUMP,SUMP
Love it.
bilbo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry CollmanSent: Wednesday, August 0
8, 2007 4:33 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List:
500A
Hey! We're not going to miss him that much - didn't Bilbo start the sump sa
ga?
Well, OK, I suppose we will. Good Luck Bilbo!
Best Regards,
Barry
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From: cloudcraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Commander-List: 500A
Bilbo,I'm going to miss your insightful and smart ass contributions to the
list. Don't stray too far; you do have information and opinions to pass al
ong.Where is your plane going? It's always good to know where the distress
calls are likely to come from.Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----From: Bill Bow <bowing74@earthlink.net>To: comman
der-list@matronics.comSent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56 amSubject: Commander-List
: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would st
ill own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few o
f those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it wo
uld be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have m
ade a lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet
. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here than =93gold diggers=94.
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list =93C
ommander ownership is not for everybody=94.
Well, it=92s not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
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BB,
I, too, would be very interested in your experiences with your 500A. As
a "new" owner of a 500S (3 years), I too have had my ups and downs. I
just figured that it was the nature of airplane ownership.
Don Falik
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Girod
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I
wish my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I
would still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a
few of those involved in the Commander community. However, I have
decided it would be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s----
anyway. I have made a lot of good friends on this list some that I will
probably never meet. I do believe there are a lot more good guys here
than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
Bill;
You are fortunate in that you still get to sit in the big bird and fly.
It was when I could no longer do that, that I bought my Commander.
I too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far, mine has been
just what I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly enough.
However, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplanes
and hard to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.
I would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander
ownership is not for everybody, but it should be".
Keep the shinny side up,
Don
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onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Subject: | Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot |
That's' right, you never know what's around the corner.
I realize this isn't the best forum to find a pilot, but you never know who
may be looking or who may know someone that's looking for that type of work.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
I am a subscriber to "Rush in a hurry" and it's mentioned there. I'll check
out Rush's website; perhaps a name is dropped. Who knows.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
I heard that guy too. I sent an email to Rush, but I'll be real surprised if
I get any response, he says he gets 10,000 emails a day.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
A retired B777 pilot's looking for a job. I heard him call Rush today.
Perhaps Rush's people could put you onto him. He got screwed by his union
which reduced his pension by some gadawful amount and now he must go back to
the left seat.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help Wanted: Cheyenne 400LS Pilot
Hi Guys:
Wow, what a trial this has been tying to buy a good Turboprop airplane. We
thought we had a nice Twin Commander 1000, a few months ago, but the owner
backed out. Then we looked at some different jets and we ended up buying
N46FD which is a Piper Cheyenne LS400.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278
<http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view.jsp?aircraft_id=105278&return_url=/
i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtypeid=3xxxxxmmgi
d=9xxxxxmodelgroup=truexxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxregionid=-1>
&return_url=/i.aso3/search.jspyyyyyiaso3sid=1xxxxxsearchid=12498766xxxxxtype
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It's back in CT and I'm going to go get it and bring it back home SGU on
Monday, so I should be back sometime early next week. I'll check in and let
you know how it flies when I get back and get settled.
We are also looking to hire a pilot besides me to fly the plane so if you
know anyone that would be good, please have them contact me
Thanks!
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson, President
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
(435) 673-4696 Office
(435) 673-4731 Fax
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Bill-
I'll add to the calls to hear your experience!
I spend quite a bit of time reading NTSB summaries to learn from the
mistakes of other commander pilots- there are a number of us who weren't
here to know of your experience- and we could certainly benefit from it.
My commander experience has been mostly negatives. I'm hoping to trump that
today with a return to flight for N414C. Stay tuned.
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500A
BB,
I, too, would be very interested in your experiences with your 500A. As a
"new" owner of a 500S (3 years), I too have had my ups and downs. I just
figured that it was the nature of airplane ownership.
Don Falik
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish
my 500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would
still own it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of
those involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would
be counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than "gold diggers".
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list
"Commander ownership is not for everybody".
Well, it's not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
Bill;
You are fortunate in that you still get to sit in the big bird and fly. It
was when I could no longer do that, that I bought my Commander.
I too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far, mine has been
just what I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly enough.
However, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplanes and
hard to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.
I would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander
ownership is not for everybody, but it should be".
Keep the shinny side up,
Don
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s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Sorry to hear about the bad experiance...I just sold mine as the fuel bills
for one or two people just don't pencil out as I make a couple of 700 mile
trips a month...dearly miss my bird...I did get lucky and stumbled on to a
reasonable mechanic at RDD...Mark at Aircraft inspection service kept her
in great shape without breaking the bank...one day I will have another...ma
ybe I could talk my wife into a second job???=0A=0ACraig=0A=0A=0A----- Orig
inal Message ----=0AFrom: Don Girod <DonGirod@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: commande
r-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 7:56:23 PM=0ASubject
: Re: Commander-List: 500A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AWell, it is finished. As
of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish my 500A had been what it
was represented as when I bought it as I would still own it today.=0AI had
written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of thos
e involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would be
counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a
lot of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do
believe there are a lot more good guys here than =93gold diggers=94.=0AI w
ill always remember the supportive words of one person on this list =93Comm
ander ownership is not for everybody=94.=0AWell, it=92s not for me.=0ACheer
s,=0ABill Bow=0ABill;=0AYou are fortunate in that you still get to sit in t
he big bird and fly. It was when I could no longer do that, that I bought
my Commander. =0AI too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far
, mine has been just what I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly eno
ugh. =0AHowever, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplan
es and hard to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.
=0AI would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander o
wnership is not for everybody, but it should be".=0AKeep the shinny side up
,=0ADon=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">htt
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matr
onics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADate: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM
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My, and I suspect most people's problems seem to fall into at least some of these
catagories:
incompetent , dishonest, or commander unfamiliar mechanics
lack of Stcs for key systems like brakes and autopilots
lack of good instruction in type
difficulty in insuring an "old plane".
fuel cost of a twin
The ups so far seem to have been:
great plane. Strong, handles well, carries lots.
excellent support from Tc and TCFG
bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: "Craig Lundborg"<dltafolk@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: 8/9/07 9:47:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Sorry to hear about the bad experiance...I just sold mine as the fuel bills for
one or two people just don't pencil out as I make a couple of 700 mile trips
a month...dearly miss my bird...I did get lucky and stumbled on to a reasonable
mechanic at RDD...Mark at Aircraft inspection service kept her in great shape
without breaking the bank...one day I will have another...maybe I could talk
my wife into a second job???
Craig
----- Original Message ----
From: Don Girod <DonGirod@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 7:56:23 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500A
Well, it is finished. As of Monday I became an ex-Commander owner. I wish my
500A had been what it was represented as when I bought it as I would still own
it today.
I had written up a long diatribe, venting my anger and disgust with a few of those
involved in the Commander community. However, I have decided it would be
counterproductive, and nobody really gives a s---- anyway. I have made a lot
of good friends on this list some that I will probably never meet. I do believe
there are a lot more good guys here than gold diggers.
I will always remember the supportive words of one person on this list Commander
ownership is not for everybody.
Well, its not for me.
Cheers,
Bill Bow
Bill;
You are fortunate in that you still get to sit in the big bird and fly. It was
when I could no longer do that, that I bought my Commander.
I too am sorry you did not have a good experience, so far, mine has been just what
I had hoped for, my problem is I don't go fly enough.
However, we all see some frustration on the list with older airplanes and hard
to get parts, thankfully, the knowledge is in someone's head.
I would only slightly change your supportive words to this, "Commander ownership
is not for everybody, but it should be".
Keep the shinny side up,
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Dont go away because of some bad fruit. We love our 500A, and I am sure
you felt the same about yours. Not too many of them left you know...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Not sure how to take that off the list... ???
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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