Commander-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/14/07


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 05:17 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Myron Ashley)
     2. 05:58 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
     3. 09:04 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Robert S. Randazzo)
     4. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (David Owens)
     5. 09:19 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (David Owens)
     6. 09:21 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (David Owens)
     7. 09:41 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Bruce Campbell)
     8. 10:26 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (David Owens)
     9. 11:09 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Bruce Campbell)
    10. 11:37 AM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (David Owens)
    11. 11:49 AM - The IO-550 Engine, Was: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    12. 12:12 PM - Re: The IO-550 Engine, Was: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Bruce Campbell)
    13. 02:50 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Nancy Gilliam)
    14. 02:59 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    15. 03:17 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Nancy Gilliam)
    16. 03:30 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (Bruce Campbell)
    17. 03:38 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    18. 03:43 PM - Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    19. 08:56 PM - AC Manual (Ray Mansfield)
    20. 10:59 PM - Through Stud Sheer Pictures... (Robert S. Randazzo)
    21. 11:33 PM - Re: Through Stud Sheer Pictures... (mike floyd)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:17:06 AM PST US
    From: "Myron Ashley" <mashley2@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Hello Robert, Describe the broken area of the stud when you get it out of the case. (for example, is the fracture clean and straight, did the material neck down like a coke bottle at the fracture, was the fracture straight across like a pipe cutter or jagged like glass.) That will help determine the cause of failure from a materials standpoint. Thanks, Myron ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Commanders- Seems not ALL the news surrounding N414C's return to flight is good. One of the dozen-or-so squawks that we listed on the airplane after purchase was that the left engine had a tendency to produce oil in the cowling. The usual minor drips and items were found and cleared up during the two year down time- and a series of engine runs seemed to corroborate that the oil seepage was fixed. Unfortunately- the seepage returned during our test flight of last Friday- so today they opened up the cowl and started searching once again. The result was that they discovered that one of the mid-case through studs was sheered inside the case. Additionally- the inner-most cooling fin on each of the #3/#4 cylinders shows a very small impact dent where (we're assuming here) the free ends of the stud impacted the fins at the time it sheered? Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day- as the #3/#4 cylinders will get pulled- and all of the surrounding area will get a good looking over. As would be expected- a call to TCM was rebuffed as they lack the corporate responsibility to provide any type of data support for the engine. I thought I'd run the squawk by you all to see if anyone has had any similar experience? Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Any ideas what might cause it ? Any guesses as to whether we are looking at a minor, known problem or a more serious warning sign of potential catastrophic failure? Obviously the experts in the shop will be making the decisions surrounding and inspection/replacement of the stud, but there is a tremendous amount of expertise here- so I thought I'd solicit.. Robert S. Randazzo N414C


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    Time: 05:58:37 AM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Robert, Any chance of a fairly clear photo of both ends of the broken stud? Also, what type of engines are these? Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Myron Ashley Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Hello Robert, Describe the broken area of the stud when you get it out of the case. (for example, is the fracture clean and straight, did the material neck down like a coke bottle at the fracture, was the fracture straight across like a pipe cutter or jagged like glass.) That will help determine the cause of failure from a materials standpoint. Thanks, Myron ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo <mailto:rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Commanders- Seems not ALL the news surrounding N414C's return to flight is good. One of the dozen-or-so squawks that we listed on the airplane after purchase was that the left engine had a tendency to produce oil in the cowling. The usual minor drips and items were found and cleared up during the two year down time- and a series of engine runs seemed to corroborate that the oil seepage was fixed. Unfortunately- the seepage returned during our test flight of last Friday- so today they opened up the cowl and started searching once again. The result was that they discovered that one of the mid-case through studs was sheered inside the case. Additionally- the inner-most cooling fin on each of the #3/#4 cylinders shows a very small impact dent where (we're assuming here) the free ends of the stud impacted the fins at the time it sheered? Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day- as the #3/#4 cylinders will get pulled- and all of the surrounding area will get a good looking over. As would be expected- a call to TCM was rebuffed as they lack the corporate responsibility to provide any type of data support for the engine. I thought I'd run the squawk by you all to see if anyone has had any similar experience? Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Any ideas what might cause it ? Any guesses as to whether we are looking at a minor, known problem or a more serious warning sign of potential catastrophic failure? Obviously the experts in the shop will be making the decisions surrounding and inspection/replacement of the stud, but there is a tremendous amount of expertise here- so I thought I'd solicit.. Robert S. Randazzo N414C href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 09:04:21 AM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Moe- I'll take some photos this morning once they get the piece out. GTSIO-520Ks. Robert From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:02 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Robert, Any chance of a fairly clear photo of both ends of the broken stud? Also, what type of engines are these? Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Myron Ashley Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Hello Robert, Describe the broken area of the stud when you get it out of the case. (for example, is the fracture clean and straight, did the material neck down like a coke bottle at the fracture, was the fracture straight across like a pipe cutter or jagged like glass.) That will help determine the cause of failure from a materials standpoint. Thanks, Myron ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo <mailto:rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Commanders- Seems not ALL the news surrounding N414C's return to flight is good. One of the dozen-or-so squawks that we listed on the airplane after purchase was that the left engine had a tendency to produce oil in the cowling. The usual minor drips and items were found and cleared up during the two year down time- and a series of engine runs seemed to corroborate that the oil seepage was fixed. Unfortunately- the seepage returned during our test flight of last Friday- so today they opened up the cowl and started searching once again. The result was that they discovered that one of the mid-case through studs was sheered inside the case. Additionally- the inner-most cooling fin on each of the #3/#4 cylinders shows a very small impact dent where (we're assuming here) the free ends of the stud impacted the fins at the time it sheered? Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day- as the #3/#4 cylinders will get pulled- and all of the surrounding area will get a good looking over. As would be expected- a call to TCM was rebuffed as they lack the corporate responsibility to provide any type of data support for the engine. I thought I'd run the squawk by you all to see if anyone has had any similar experience? Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Any ideas what might cause it ? Any guesses as to whether we are looking at a minor, known problem or a more serious warning sign of potential catastrophic failure? Obviously the experts in the shop will be making the decisions surrounding and inspection/replacement of the stud, but there is a tremendous amount of expertise here- so I thought I'd solicit.. Robert S. Randazzo N414C href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2459 (20070814) Information __________


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    Time: 09:12:37 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    We just had that happen on 14AV, and the 3 broken studs that mount the #5 jug were found inside the front cown upon opening... A crack at the top of the case was the cause of the oil leak... The case had to be replaced... 400 appx hours on this TCM io520... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 09:19:51 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Here are a few pics of the damage...


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    Time: 09:21:26 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    another-1 David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 09:41:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    This is a common problem with IO 520s. Just ask any Bonanza or Baron owner. If anyone is adventurous, the IO550 is reputed to be much better about this, and costs very little delta to upgrade. It may be worth 500a owners getting together and doing an STC. Bummer about TCM. I've had similar experiences. Prefer Lycoming engines these days, though they aren't as smooth. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... We just had that happen on 14AV, and the 3 broken studs that mount the #5 jug were found inside the front cown upon opening... A crack at the top of the case was the cause of the oil leak... The case had to be replaced... 400 appx hours on this TCM io520... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 10:26:56 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Good idea about the 550... A guy in the hangar here has a Bonanza with one and he loves it... I guess put out a call for all 12 of the existing 500A owners left to see what interest might be shown ;) David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:09:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    There was a gentleman who went through the effort to get the GO480 put on the 520s type data sheet as an approved engine. It took about 3 years, but it did get done. I don't know what the real effect of the experimental designation he had to endure for that period was. It does appear that after the initial test period (about 40 hours of flying) the plane was usable for regular flying according to the operating limitations. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Good idea about the 550... A guy in the hangar here has a Bonanza with one and he loves it... I guess put out a call for all 12 of the existing 500A owners left to see what interest might be shown ;) David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:37:28 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Hmm, I guess it would be something to think about... a field approval is probably out of the question. We fly in restricted catagory already because of odd altitudes and direction in TSA's, I wonder if that would do it... ;) David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:49:14 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Good Afternoon All, May I interject another voice favoring the IO-550 engine? We are currently operating three of them in Bonanzas and find it to be the best money we ever spent on those airplanes. The airplanes go faster, climb better and burn less fuel. How can this all be true? The engine weighs no more than, and usually less than, any of the IO-470 or IO-520 engines it is replacing. In some versions, it is as much as nine pounds lighter. The 250 HP version of the IO-470C is nine pounds heavier than the 300 horsepower IO-550-B. It fits in the same space because the spacing of the cylinders on the crankcase is the same and has been the same since Continental started the fl at six program with the E-165 engine. There is no need to beef the structure because the engine weighs no more. If the gross weight of the airplane and the limiting speeds are not changed , the only structural consideration is the additional torque and that effect is generally so small that it can be disregarded. On the Bonanzas, there have been no structural beef ups of any kind needed when the 550 is replacing a 470 or 520 engine. If the 550 is replacing an E-series engine, beef up is required due to a sixty pound increase in the we ight of the engine over the E-series one. In most cases, there is very little need for baffling changes for any reaso n other than to provide better cooling. Everything fits in the same space! Most installations will need new baffling because with more power, there will be more heat developed, but for the Beech products, providing better cooling has not been a problem, we have more trouble keeping them warm than we do keeping them cool. It goes faster and burns less fuel because the rate of climb is so good tha t you will cruise two to four thousand feet higher on any representative stag e length flight. The higher altitude allows the same or slightly higher true airspeed while using slightly less power. The lower indicated airspeed places the aircraft closer to best L/D speed while using slightly less power than was needed fo r that same true airspeed when operated at a lower altitude. By pushing the engine a bit harder, you can go faster, but the best way to take advantage of the more powerful engine is to get up high and take advant age of the efficiency that is then available. The higher power available means that you will almost always be at an altitude where Lean Of Peak operations are not only practical, but very des irable. It really is one of the few win/win engine changes available. I know the market among the Commanders is so small that it is unlikely any convertor wants to spend the money required to convince the Federalies of th e suitability of such an installation, but I think a TC500 equipped with IO-550-Bs would be a marvelous machine. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 8/14/2007 1:11:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes: There was a gentleman who went through the effort to get the GO480 put on the 520s type data sheet as an approved engine. It took about 3 years, but it did get done. I don=99t know what the real effect of the experimental designation he had to endure for that period was. It does appear that afte r the initial test period (about 40 hours of flying) the plane was usable for reg ular flying according to the operating limitations. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... Good idea about the 550... A guy in the hangar here has a Bonanza with one and he loves it... I guess put out a call for all 12 of the existing 500A owners left to see what interest might be shown ; David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill t http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 12:12:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
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    Time: 02:50:06 PM PST US
    From: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    A friend of mine had to make an emergency landing last year in a Cessna 182. Found 2 thru bolts sheared off in the case. They think it was due to over torque, or uneven torque on all the cylinder thru bolts. Roland Gilliam >From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:07:50 -0700 > >Do you think it would shear off if wasn't over-torqued? If the stud failed >due to abuse on a previous occasion, perhaps replacing them all might be >considered. Just guessing. > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. >Randazzo >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:50 PM >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... > > >Commanders- > > >Seems not ALL the news surrounding N414C's return to flight is good. > > >One of the dozen-or-so squawks that we listed on the airplane after >purchase >was that the left engine had a tendency to produce oil in the cowling. The >usual minor drips and items were found and cleared up during the two year >down time- and a series of engine runs seemed to corroborate that the oil >seepage was fixed. > > >Unfortunately- the seepage returned during our test flight of last Friday- >so today they opened up the cowl and started searching once again. The >result was that they discovered that one of the mid-case through studs was >sheered inside the case. Additionally- the inner-most cooling fin on each >of the #3/#4 cylinders shows a very small impact dent where (we're assuming >here) the free ends of the stud impacted the fins at the time it sheered? > > >Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day- as the #3/#4 cylinders will get >pulled- and all of the surrounding area will get a good looking over. As >would be expected- a call to TCM was rebuffed as they lack the corporate >responsibility to provide any type of data support for the engine. > > >I thought I'd run the squawk by you all to see if anyone has had any >similar >experience? Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Any ideas what might cause >it ? Any guesses as to whether we are looking at a minor, known problem or >a more serious warning sign of potential catastrophic failure? > > >Obviously the experts in the shop will be making the decisions surrounding >and inspection/replacement of the stud, but there is a tremendous amount of >expertise here- so I thought I'd solicit.. > > >Robert S. Randazzo > >N414C > > _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2


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    Time: 02:59:31 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Good Afternoon Roland, It might be helpful to check to see if any cylinders had been pulled since the last build up. Some mechanics skip the part about torqueing the nuts on the opposing cylinders. I think that is a potential for setting up the uneven stresses that cause the internal breaks. Just a theory, no extensive data to show cause and effect though. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 8/14/2007 4:51:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amg3636@hotmail.com writes: A friend of mine had to make an emergency landing last year in a Cessna 182. Found 2 thru bolts sheared off in the case. They think it was due to over torque, or uneven torque on all the cylinder thru bolts. Roland Gilliam http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 03:17:26 PM PST US
    From: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    Hi Bob , That makes sense, however this was the first time a cylinder had been off since the major. Thanks, Roland >From: BobsV35B@aol.com >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:59:00 EDT > > >Good Afternoon Roland, > >It might be helpful to check to see if any cylinders had been pulled since >the last build up. Some mechanics skip the part about torqueing the nuts >on >the opposing cylinders. I think that is a potential for setting up the >uneven >stresses that cause the internal breaks. Just a theory, no extensive data >to >show cause and effect though. > >Happy Skies, > >Old Bob >AKA >Bob Siegfried >Ancient Aviator >Stearman N3977A >Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >Downers Grove, IL 60516 >630 985-8503 > > >In a message dated 8/14/2007 4:51:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >amg3636@hotmail.com writes: > >A friend of mine had to make an emergency landing last year in a Cessna >182. >Found 2 thru bolts sheared off in the case. They think it was due to over >torque, or uneven torque on all the cylinder thru bolts. > >Roland Gilliam > > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink


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    Time: 03:30:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    Continental is notorious for its quality control. Sac Sky Ranch used to do a whole presentation on this to the EAA chapter. There's no reason to think this is impossible to happen at the factory. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Gilliam Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... <amg3636@hotmail.com> Hi Bob , That makes sense, however this was the first time a cylinder had been off since the major. Thanks, Roland >From: BobsV35B@aol.com >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Through-Stud Sheer... >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:59:00 EDT > > >Good Afternoon Roland, > >It might be helpful to check to see if any cylinders had been pulled since >the last build up. Some mechanics skip the part about torqueing the nuts >on >the opposing cylinders. I think that is a potential for setting up the >uneven >stresses that cause the internal breaks. Just a theory, no extensive data >to >show cause and effect though. > >Happy Skies, > >Old Bob >AKA >Bob Siegfried >Ancient Aviator >Stearman N3977A >Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >Downers Grove, IL 60516 >630 985-8503 > > >In a message dated 8/14/2007 4:51:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >amg3636@hotmail.com writes: > >A friend of mine had to make an emergency landing last year in a Cessna >182. >Found 2 thru bolts sheared off in the case. They think it was due to over >torque, or uneven torque on all the cylinder thru bolts. > >Roland Gilliam > > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink


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    Time: 03:38:35 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    In a message dated 8/14/2007 5:18:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amg3636@hotmail.com writes: Hi Bob , That makes sense, however this was the first time a cylinder had been off since the major. Thanks, Roland Strike That One!!<G> Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 03:43:15 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Engine Through-Stud Sheer...
    In a message dated 8/14/2007 5:18:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amg3636@hotmail.com writes: Hi Bob , That makes sense, however this was the first time a cylinder had been off since the major. Thanks, Roland However, I still think under torqueing causes more problems than over torqueing. Anything that is under torqued gets stretched all the time. If it is torqued properly, it never moves. At least, that's the theory<g>. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 08:56:11 PM PST US
    From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
    Subject: AC Manual
    Hello, I fly a Aero Commander 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion. I'm in need of a manual for the air conditioning system. It's not the standard system that came on the plane. I believe it's the same system that is on an Aero Commander 690. The system is located aft of the baggage compartment with a compressor turned by an electric motor. (A $6,000 motor...I know, it's been replaced twice) The evaporators are under the back seat. If anyone knows where I can locate an operation or maintenance manual or both please let me know. Thank you. Ray Mansfield hcourier@cox.net 850-217-5185


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    Time: 10:59:59 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Through Stud Sheer Pictures...
    Commanders! Here are a few (not so good) images of the sheered through stud. It is interesting to note that the stud appears to have been damaged/bent at some point. Possibly during installation? We found what appear to be impact marks from a hammer or ram on one end. Go figure. The internals of the engine appear fine- looks like a brand new engine on the inside. No metal found in the oil, and the cylinder and pushrods are fine. We are trying to get some guidance on what should happen with this engine. The hope is that the stud can be replaced- and we'll be good-to-go. I'll keep you all posted. Robert S. Randazzo


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    Time: 11:33:38 PM PST US
    From: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Through Stud Sheer Pictures...
    Robert, With the expert input you are getting from Moe at Ross Pistons and Myron Ashley you are receiving. You have more than enough input to figure this out. What I have seen before was the bearing shell coming loose in the crankcase where it is clamped between the the cylinder through studs. The way to check for that is to use a long probe on the bearing shell and see if there is obvious movement between the case and the bearing. Also examine the crankcase where the stud came out for cracks per David Owens. They don't call them Crackinentals for nothing. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink




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