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1. 06:18 AM - Re: (Harry Merritt)
2. 06:43 AM - Weird 747 shadow (nico css)
3. 07:50 AM - Main gear (Barry Collman)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] (Brock Lorber)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] (John Vormbaum)
6. 10:15 AM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (John Vormbaum)
7. 10:22 AM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (Bill Bow)
8. 12:14 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (Steve at Col-East)
9. 12:16 PM - Re: Main gear (mike floyd)
10. 01:56 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (nico css)
11. 02:14 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (nico css)
12. 02:40 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (John Vormbaum)
13. 05:05 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow ()
14. 05:23 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow (nico css)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: Weird 747 shadow ()
16. 09:21 PM - Oil Leak (brent-mueller@comcast.net)
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Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
If you dont want them send them back COD on Freight.
Thanks
Harry
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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
hm, parts arrived this am. there is no paperwork with them? we
discussed them being "yellow tagged"? i will advise what i am doing.
tnx ur hlp. mason
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From: avtec2@bellsouth.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:12:54 -0400
Shippe today for monday $ 449.75
i put a shipping lable in the packing list pouch to return the old
valves
Thanks ( i will get seat bolts tommorow
Harry
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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
hm, tnx ur help. pls fwd two(2) each of the fuel shutoff valves
part #AV16B1159 and required O-rings four(4) part#S-0310-219F to PRO
AVIATION 221 AVIATION WAY #200
Fort Worth, Texas 76106. monday morn AM delivery. enclose
invoice for $400.00 and I will send you a "good" check to the return
address. thank you mason 817-517-4977
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From: avtec2@bellsouth.net
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Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:27:11 -0400
i do
Harry
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Subject: Commander-List:
anyone have a fuel shut off valve pn AV16B1159 and the O-rings
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Subject: | Weird 747 shadow |
Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
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Hi All,
Can I just check something with you all. This is for a Model 500B
specifically, but I assume the scenario covers other Models.
After landing, with indication that all three gears are down-and-locked,
the right-hand gear retracts.
It seems fairly 'common' that this is usually because the PiC has
selected the gear-up switch instead of the flaps-up switch.
If so, is it the right-hand gear that actuates first?
Presumably, if the PiC realises his error in time, he can prevent the
left-hand gear actuating?
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
This is puzzle that is going to have an interesting answer. I'm
following a rabbit's warren that leads me to believe that the hydraulic
pumps at idle can't pump enough volume at idle to pull both legs over
center simultaneously and that there is something about the right leg
(placement of the cylinder?) that makes the right leg easier to pull
over center than the left leg. Once it comes over center, the
resistance is a lot lower on the right side, so the left leg won't come
over center until the right leg fully retracts.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 7:50 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Hi All,
Can I just check something with you all. This is for a Model 500B
specifically, but I assume the scenario covers other Models.
After landing, with indication that all three gears are down-and-locked,
the right-hand gear retracts.
It seems fairly 'common' that this is usually because the PiC has
selected the gear-up switch instead of the flaps-up switch.
If so, is it the right-hand gear that actuates first?
Presumably, if the PiC realises his error in time, he can prevent the
left-hand gear actuating?
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
This is a question I hope I NEVER find the answer to on my 500B. That
being said, I've heard of gear retracts happening on the ground. I'm
certain that ONE engine by itself makes enough pressure to retract the
gear at idle, as even during warmup at low RPM, my hydraulic system is
steady at 1,000 PSI regardless of steering or flap actuation.
As far as right vs. left, I don't know the answer to that one...
/J
Brock Lorber wrote:
> This is puzzle that is going to have an interesting answer. I'm following a
rabbit's warren that leads me to believe that the hydraulic pumps at idle can't
pump enough volume at idle to pull both legs over center simultaneously and
that there is something about the right leg (placement of the cylinder?) that
makes the right leg easier to pull over center than the left leg. Once it comes
over center, the resistance is a lot lower on the right side, so the left
leg won't come over center until the right leg fully retracts.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry Collman
> Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 7:50 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Main gear [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
>
> Hi All,
>
> Can I just check something with you all. This is for a Model 500B specifically,
but I assume the scenario covers other Models.
>
> After landing, with indication that all three gears are down-and-locked, the
right-hand gear retracts.
> It seems fairly 'common' that this is usually because the PiC has selected the
gear-up switch instead of the flaps-up switch.
>
> If so, is it the right-hand gear that actuates first?
>
> Presumably, if the PiC realises his error in time, he can prevent the left-hand
gear actuating?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weird 747 shadow |
Nico,
All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
/J
nico css wrote:
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> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
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Subject: | Weird 747 shadow |
I see the shadow you're talking about but haven't an explanation for it. It
is a 747-400 in a left turn.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
Nico,
All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
/J
nico css wrote:
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> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
>
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Subject: | Re: Weird 747 shadow |
I have a 'possible' explanation for this. The Google Earth imagery are not
conventional photos, but 'orthophotos'. That is the image is composed of
zillions of photographs that are mosaicked together, and processed to
correct them for tip and tilt of the camera, and to correct the scale of
images versus the variations in height of the land. Lots of other stuff gets
done to the images.....
I'm actually processing an orthophoto right now at work. (I'm hard at work,
honest.)
The ortho images have a lot of blending and processing done to them to have
them look any good across seams, and to correct for vignetting and uneven
tone across them. Its quite a trick to get all these images to look any good
all stuck together at once.
It is possible that the 'weirdness' is due to a computer algorithm doing its
best to make sense of this little image patch, and lighten up a dark area,
and darken up a bright area.
Or it's something else.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
>
> I see the shadow you're talking about but haven't an explanation for it.
> It
> is a 747-400 in a left turn.
>
> bilbo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:15 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
>
>
> Nico,
>
> All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
> house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
>
> /J
>
> nico css wrote:
>>
>> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
>>
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>> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
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>
>
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I have seen two times where it was the left main gear which had collapsed.
One was a failure of the retract cylinder clevis in the top of the strut
housing. And the other never did have a reasonable explaination.
Mike
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Subject: | Weird 747 shadow |
John,
Did you copy and paste the coordinates into google earth? It should be on
the edge of a suburban neighborhood.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
Nico,
All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
/J
nico css wrote:
>
> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
>
>
>
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> *
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>
> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
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Subject: | Weird 747 shadow |
Thanks, Steve. That makes the most sense.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
I have a 'possible' explanation for this. The Google Earth imagery are not
conventional photos, but 'orthophotos'. That is the image is composed of
zillions of photographs that are mosaicked together, and processed to
correct them for tip and tilt of the camera, and to correct the scale of
images versus the variations in height of the land. Lots of other stuff gets
done to the images.....
I'm actually processing an orthophoto right now at work. (I'm hard at work,
honest.)
The ortho images have a lot of blending and processing done to them to have
them look any good across seams, and to correct for vignetting and uneven
tone across them. Its quite a trick to get all these images to look any good
all stuck together at once.
It is possible that the 'weirdness' is due to a computer algorithm doing its
best to make sense of this little image patch, and lighten up a dark area,
and darken up a bright area.
Or it's something else.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
>
> I see the shadow you're talking about but haven't an explanation for it.
> It
> is a 747-400 in a left turn.
>
> bilbo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:15 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
>
>
> Nico,
>
> All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
> house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
>
> /J
>
> nico css wrote:
>>
>> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weird 747 shadow |
That time it worked....and that is quite the funky shadow/airplane.
nico css wrote:
>
> John,
> Did you copy and paste the coordinates into google earth? It should be on
> the edge of a suburban neighborhood.
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
>
>
> Nico,
>
> All I see there is a location between Pretoria and Johannesburg, of a
> house with a pool.....no shadow on my version.
>
> /J
>
> nico css wrote:
>
>> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
>>
>>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2488 (20070828) Information __________
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weird 747 shadow |
> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
Yes, very interesting - note that the ghosted image is above the 'clear'
747 - I wonder if it has something to do with a second photo taken
immediately after the first; the 747 having moved on since the first?
I'm sure there's a better explanation...
God bless,
Andrew
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Subject: | Weird 747 shadow |
Hi Andrew.
I don't think so, because the 747 would have to have drifted south without
any forward movement. The shadows of the surrounding structures indicate
that it's early morning, so in that respect the blue shadow is in the right
place. What is a bit off, I would say, is that the shadow indicates that the
sun is slightly south of the 747, which is impossible seeing that
Johannesburg is 26 deg south and the sun never gets further south than 23.5
deg. However, if the shadow was moved due to manipulation of the satellite
photographs, then it might not show where it actually was.
Steve gave an excellent explanation: satellite photos are not regular photos
but orthophotos, which are programmatically manipulated to make the
individual satellite images fit seamlessly in one image, and perhaps some
shift could have changed the color of the shadow. Steve I apologize if my
paraphrasing what you said has lost the message.
Who knows, but it is very interesting.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
Yes, very interesting - note that the ghosted image is above the 'clear' 747
- I wonder if it has something to do with a second photo taken immediately
after the first; the 747 having moved on since the first? I'm sure there's a
better explanation...
God bless,
Andrew
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Subject: | Re: Weird 747 shadow |
Hi, yes, Nico,I think Steve is likely right; I only read his post after
I responded. Talk about opening my yap before I have all the info :-)
Found some other aircraft with ghosted shadows. No I didn't scan Google
Earth ... well I did look at O'Hare to see if there were any on
approach/climbout, and at Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary, and ... but then
I gave up and cheated by looking at
http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlcat24/Aircraft-in-flight.htm
Steve, given this, is it not possible that two photos are taken and then
overlaid to give the 3D effect when one tilts the earth to a more
horizontal plane? (pun unintended) This would explain the aircraft
"moving on". In each of the ghosted shadows the ghost aircraft appears
to be on (or slightly higher) than the clear aircraft. However, on a
slower aircraft (like the helicopter, or aircraft on finals) there isn't
any ghosting.This would add to the theory that the aircraft has moved on
- only fast aircraft appear to be ghosted.
Blessings
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
Hi Andrew.
I don't think so, because the 747 would have to have drifted south
without any forward movement. The shadows of the surrounding structures
indicate that it's early morning, so in that respect the blue shadow is
in the right place. What is a bit off, I would say, is that the shadow
indicates that the sun is slightly south of the 747, which is impossible
seeing that Johannesburg is 26 deg south and the sun never gets further
south than 23.5 deg. However, if the shadow was moved due to
manipulation of the satellite photographs, then it might not show where
it actually was.
Steve gave an excellent explanation: satellite photos are not regular
photos but orthophotos, which are programmatically manipulated to make
the individual satellite images fit seamlessly in one image, and perhaps
some shift could have changed the color of the shadow. Steve I
apologize if my paraphrasing what you said has lost the message.
Who knows, but it is very interesting.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:05 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird 747 shadow
> Look at google earth at this location: 26 02 03 S, 28 14 04 E
Yes, very interesting - note that the ghosted image is above the
'clear' 747 - I wonder if it has something to do with a second photo
taken immediately after the first; the 747 having moved on since the
first? I'm sure there's a better explanation...
God bless,
Andrew
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-Greetings-
Our valve covers leak some.
what is the very best solution to oil leaking valve covers.
I was told silicon ones are the ones to use, we have cork now.
If cork expands with the warm oil then flattens when not run for a bit, whats th
advantage over silcone?
Take Care,
Brent
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