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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Barry Collman)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Deneal Schilmeister)
3. 08:09 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Barry Collman)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Deneal Schilmeister)
5. 11:00 PM - Business (nico css)
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Subject: | Re: Arnie's 560 Commander |
Hi Stan,
Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have
been a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect.
My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither was
a straight 560.
First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand
from Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September
6th 1961 and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero
Commander Division, of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model
560F. There's a photo somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in
formation with a few of the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas,
as C6-BFS, with Abaco Air Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them
about its pedigree!
The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as N551VM
just prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe, Pennsylvania on
January 14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander was acquired at
this time, being s/n 52, also registered N701AP.
Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his
recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't
reply.
I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result.
May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards ;-)
Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing
them.
I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade
props), or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F".
Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both make
it again next year!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander
Hi All,
This is probably more of a question for Sir Barry, but I thought it
might also be of general interest:
I just got my October/November copy of Private Air magazine, and their
cover story is about Arnold Palmer and his history with private
aviation. Of interest, the article mentions that he once leased a Jet
Commander, but before that, and more importantly to us, he owned a 560
Commander. There are three black and white photos of the 560, including
one interior shot with Arnie sitting in the pilot's seat. The caption
that accompanies the photos mis-identifies the 560 as "the hefty
Rockwell Jet Commander"(!)
What became of that 560?
Regards,
Stan
N681SP
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Subject: | Arnie's 560 Commander |
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander
Hi Stan,
Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have
been
a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect.
My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither was
a
straight 560.
First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand
from
Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September 6th
1961
and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero Commander
Division,
of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model 560F. There's a
photo
somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in formation with a few
of
the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas, as C6-BFS, with Abaco
Air
Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them about its pedigree!
The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as N551VM
just
prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe, Pennsylvania on
January
14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander was acquired at this time,
being s/n 52, also registered N701AP.
Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his
recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't
reply.
I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result.
May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards ;-)
Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing
them.
I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade
props),
or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F".
Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both make
it
again next year!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: Arnie's 560 Commander |
Hi Deneal,
The picture on the left is obviously, with the 2-blade props., his Model
500.
The picture on the right is his 560F.
Are these the same photos that were published in the magazine?
Thanks Deneal!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:43 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander
Hi Stan,
Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have
been a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect.
My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither
was a straight 560.
First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand
from Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September
6th 1961 and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero
Commander Division, of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model
560F. There's a photo somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in
formation with a few of the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas,
as C6-BFS, with Abaco Air Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them
about its pedigree!
The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as
N551VM just prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe,
Pennsylvania on January 14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander
was acquired at this time, being s/n 52, also registered N701AP.
Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his
recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't
reply.
I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result.
May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards
;-)
Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing
them.
I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade
props), or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F".
Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both
make it again next year!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: Arnie's 560 Commander |
Yes indeed, Barry.
I should have sent the link so everyone can enjoy the story:
http://www.privateairdaily.com/magazine/article/10558.html
Thanks to Stan for pointing me in the proper direction!
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://deneals.com
" Being involved in aviation is like meeting a beautiful woman you never
forget"
....Cliff Robertson
On 10/8/07 10:09 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi Deneal,
>
> The picture on the left is obviously, with the 2-blade props., his Model 500.
>
> The picture on the right is his 560F.
>
> Are these the same photos that were published in the magazine?
>
> Thanks Deneal!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>>
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Folks, this is not an aviation related thing (although I hope it will turn
into one in the near future), but I thought since we have common bonds and
are members of the Commander family, that it wouldn't offend if I share a
new business venture with you. Much like sharing my passion for Commanders
with my aviation-disinterested brother, who is totally over the wall about
his ski boat.
Take a look www.faithmugs.com <http://www.faithmugs.com/> - critique is
welcome.
Thanks for your indulgence.
Nico
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