Commander-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 5



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     1. 05:43 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Barry Collman)
     2. 07:41 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Deneal Schilmeister)
     3. 08:09 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Barry Collman)
     4. 09:14 AM - Re: Arnie's 560 Commander (Deneal Schilmeister)
     5. 11:00 PM - Business (nico css)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:43:25 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Arnie's 560 Commander
    Hi Stan, Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have been a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect. My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither was a straight 560. First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand from Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September 6th 1961 and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero Commander Division, of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model 560F. There's a photo somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in formation with a few of the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas, as C6-BFS, with Abaco Air Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them about its pedigree! The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as N551VM just prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe, Pennsylvania on January 14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander was acquired at this time, being s/n 52, also registered N701AP. Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't reply. I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result. May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards ;-) Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing them. I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade props), or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F". Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both make it again next year! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander Hi All, This is probably more of a question for Sir Barry, but I thought it might also be of general interest: I just got my October/November copy of Private Air magazine, and their cover story is about Arnold Palmer and his history with private aviation. Of interest, the article mentions that he once leased a Jet Commander, but before that, and more importantly to us, he owned a 560 Commander. There are three black and white photos of the 560, including one interior shot with Arnie sitting in the pilot's seat. The caption that accompanies the photos mis-identifies the 560 as "the hefty Rockwell Jet Commander"(!) What became of that 560? Regards, Stan N681SP


    Message 2


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    Time: 07:41:41 AM PST US
    From: "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com>
    Subject: Arnie's 560 Commander
    ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/> -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander Hi Stan, Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have been a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect. My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither was a straight 560. First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand from Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September 6th 1961 and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero Commander Division, of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model 560F. There's a photo somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in formation with a few of the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas, as C6-BFS, with Abaco Air Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them about its pedigree! The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as N551VM just prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe, Pennsylvania on January 14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander was acquired at this time, being s/n 52, also registered N701AP. Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't reply. I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result. May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards ;-) Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing them. I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade props), or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F". Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both make it again next year! Very Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 08:09:07 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Arnie's 560 Commander
    Hi Deneal, The picture on the left is obviously, with the 2-blade props., his Model 500. The picture on the right is his 560F. Are these the same photos that were published in the magazine? Thanks Deneal! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Deneal Schilmeister To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:43 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Arnie's 560 Commander Hi Stan, Apologies for the delay, but I only returned home last Friday and have been a couple of days getting over the jet-lag effect. My database reflects Arnie Palmer owning two Commanders, but neither was a straight 560. First one was a Model 500, s/n 685, N6285B. This he bought second-hand from Youngwood Metals Co Inc., of Youngwood, Pennsylvania on September 6th 1961 and on November 27th 1963 it was traded in to the Aero Commander Division, of Rockwell-Standard Corp for his next one, a Model 560F. There's a photo somewhere on "the net" of Arnie flying the 500 in formation with a few of the Blue Angels team. It is now in the Bahamas, as C6-BFS, with Abaco Air Ltd., of Marsh Harbour, Abaco. I've told them about its pedigree! The 560F was s/n 1364-64, N701AP although he re-registered it as N551VM just prior to a sale to Vasco Metals Corp.,of Latrobe, Pennsylvania on January 14th 1966. Presumably, the 1121 Jet Commander was acquired at this time, being s/n 52, also registered N701AP. Off his website, I emailed Arnie some years ago, asking for his recollections on flying the Commanders for the book, but he didn't reply. I similarly emailed Jack Nicklaus with the same result. May their drives never hit the fairway and their putts miss by yards ;-) Do the photos show a 560? If so, I'd certainly be interested in seeing them. I'm wondering though whether they are of the 500 (would have 2-blade props), or the captions have omitted the "F" from "560F". Great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In and hope you will both make it again next year! Very Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 09:14:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Arnie's 560 Commander
    From: Deneal Schilmeister <deneals@deneals.com>
    Yes indeed, Barry. I should have sent the link so everyone can enjoy the story: http://www.privateairdaily.com/magazine/article/10558.html Thanks to Stan for pointing me in the proper direction! -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://deneals.com " Being involved in aviation is like meeting a beautiful woman you never forget" ....Cliff Robertson On 10/8/07 10:09 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Deneal, > > The picture on the left is obviously, with the 2-blade props., his Model 500. > > The picture on the right is his 560F. > > Are these the same photos that were published in the magazine? > > Thanks Deneal! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry >>


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    Time: 11:00:04 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Business
    Folks, this is not an aviation related thing (although I hope it will turn into one in the near future), but I thought since we have common bonds and are members of the Commander family, that it wouldn't offend if I share a new business venture with you. Much like sharing my passion for Commanders with my aviation-disinterested brother, who is totally over the wall about his ski boat. Take a look www.faithmugs.com <http://www.faithmugs.com/> - critique is welcome. Thanks for your indulgence. Nico




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