---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/16/07: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:14 PM - Pilot Door. (W J R HAMILTON) 2. 09:03 PM - Re: Pilot Door. (John Vormbaum) 3. 09:05 PM - Re: Pilot Door. (Tylor Hall) 4. 09:26 PM - Re: Pilot Door. (W J R HAMILTON) 5. 10:13 PM - Re: Pilot Door. (W J R HAMILTON) 6. 10:16 PM - Re: Pilot Door. (Don) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:30 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Folks, I am considering grafting a pilot door into ZK-DCF, a 500A. The door and surrounding structure will come from a written - off 500S, I am told the internal structure around the area is the same, does anybody know any different, or are there any serious practical pitfalls in such a modification. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:49 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Hi Bill, I'm pretty sure the structure on your -A would be the same as the -B and -S models. I'm sure Jimbob or similar will chime in quickly and set me straight if I'm wrong! Mostly I'm chiming in because I saw that you were quoted in our US AOPA Magazine back in June, in an article called "A Cautionary Tale" about user fees, CASA, and the state of GA down under. It mentioned your tireless support of a strong GA environment there, and your success in Light Sport without onerous CASA oversight. We're going to have to take some lessons from you here in the US if things keep going the way they're going... Sorry to hijack your posting, /John W J R HAMILTON wrote: > Folks, > I am considering grafting a pilot door into ZK-DCF, a 500A. > The door and surrounding structure will come from a written - off > 500S, I am told the internal structure around the area is the same, > does anybody know any different, or are there any serious practical > pitfalls in such a modification. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > > > > * > > > * > > > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 PM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Bill, The person that knows how to put doors in 500B is John Towner. All of his 35+ aircraft have the front door. Most of his aircraft are 500B that did not come with front doors. The are used to haul freight at night. The door is the easy part. It is the door frame that you need to remove from the other aircraft. I have flown a 500 with out and one with and the front door is a great feature. Tylor Hall On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:15 PM, W J R HAMILTON wrote: > Folks, > I am considering grafting a pilot door into ZK-DCF, a 500A. > The door and surrounding structure will come from a written - off > 500S, I am told the internal structure around the area is the same, > does anybody know any different, or are there any serious practical > pitfalls in such a modification. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:17 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Tyler, Thanks for that, we are (if we go ahead) going take a complete piece out of the wrecked 500S, door and frame. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 14:11 17/10/2007, you wrote: >Bill, >The person that knows how to put doors in 500B is John Towner. >All of his 35+ aircraft have the front door. Most of his aircraft >are 500B that did not come with front doors. The are used to haul >freight at night. >The door is the easy part. It is the door frame that you need to >remove from the other aircraft. >I have flown a 500 with out and one with and the front door is a >great feature. >Tylor Hall ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:12 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Door. John, Thanks for the kind words, it is a continuous battle, but at least the grass roots end, Recreational Aviation, is alive and well. Given some of the recent recruitment to CASA, we seem to be dealing with industrial grade Indian bureaucracy layered on top of an already Have a look at http://www.auf.asn.au/, aircraft `like the Jabiru (1200 + sold) do everything a C-152 does, but they are 20kt faster, about a third the cost to operate, and 10,000 h airframes in flying school service are showing no sign of deterioration --- a testimony to wet layup, instead of pre-pregs. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ---------- At 14:01 17/10/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Bill, > >I'm pretty sure the structure on your -A would be the same as the -B >and -S models. I'm sure Jimbob or similar will chime in quickly and >set me straight if I'm wrong! > >Mostly I'm chiming in because I saw that you were quoted in our US >AOPA Magazine back in June, in an article called "A Cautionary Tale" >about user fees, CASA, and the state of GA down under. It mentioned >your tireless support of a strong GA environment there, and your >success in Light Sport without onerous CASA oversight. We're going >to have to take some lessons from you here in the US if things keep >going the way they're going... > >Sorry to hijack your posting, > >/John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:03 PM PST US From: "Don" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Bill; I had nothing to do with it but, N2707B a 560E has had a pilot door installed and it works great. A big convenience. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: W J R HAMILTON To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Door. Folks, I am considering grafting a pilot door into ZK-DCF, a 500A. The door and surrounding structure will come from a written - off 500S, I am told the internal structure around the area is the same, does anybody know any different, or are there any serious practical pitfalls in such a modification. 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