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1. 12:25 AM - AC 500S (W J R HAMILTON)
2. 05:53 AM - Commander Lost (Steve at Col-East)
3. 09:31 AM - N6370U crash (nico css)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: N6370U crash (John Vormbaum)
5. 10:53 AM - Re: N6370U crash (John Vormbaum)
6. 11:21 AM - Re: N6370U crash (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: N6370U crash (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: N6370U crash (John Vormbaum)
9. 12:03 PM - Re: N6370U crash (Bill Bow)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: N6370U crash (CloudCraft@aol.com)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] (Brock Lorber)
12. 01:01 PM - Re: N6370U crash (nico css)
13. 01:02 PM - Re: N6370U crash (Don)
14. 01:06 PM - Re: N6370U crash (Tylor Hall)
15. 01:22 PM - Re: N6370U crash (Bill Bow)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] (Bill Bow)
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Folks,
I am looking for a door handle and lock parts for a 500S door. There
will probably be other bits and pieces, I won't really know until I
pick up the door and a large chunk of surrounding fuselage.
This is the door I am going to graft into the 500A.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
ZK-DCF
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Uh-oh. Just spotted this.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 071023X01633&key=1
Steve
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Picutre of the wreck. and some journalistic drivel
http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?p=36199
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it looks
like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the single
engine condition.
The original article listed the airplane as a 560, but the manufacture
date as 1964.....which would make it a 560F, and there aren't too many
of those around.
nico css wrote:
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> Picutre of the wreck and some journalistic drivel
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
Duh, just noticed in the NTSB report that it was a 560F.
nico css wrote:
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Why would one shut down an engine because it gobbled one exhaust valve?
Evan with two exhaust valves broken there will be some power available.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash
I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it looks
like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the single
engine condition.
The original article listed the airplane as a 560, but the manufacture
date as 1964.....which would make it a 560F, and there aren't too many
of those around.
nico css wrote:
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> Picutre of the wreck. and some journalistic drivel
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> http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?p=36199
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
john@vormbaum.com writes:
I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it looks
like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the single
engine condition.
As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help but wonder if there
was fuel contamination (Jet-A?). Seems unlikely that the loss of power on one
engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow continued flight, unless the
second engine was on its way out.
Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was there?
We also have to allow for incapacitation of the pilot.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
I immediately thought of misfueling. I still fear that and am always
present when my airplane is fueled....
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
> john@vormbaum.com writes:
>
> I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
> armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it
> looks
> like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
> hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the
> single
> engine condition.
>
> *As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help but wonder if
> there was fuel contamination (Jet-A?). Seems unlikely that the loss
> of power on one engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow
> continued flight, unless the second engine was on its way out. *
> **
> *Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was there?*
> **
> *We also have to allow for incapacitation of the pilot.*
> **
> *Wing Commander Gordon*
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I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash
I immediately thought of misfueling. I still fear that and am always
present when my airplane is fueled....
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
> john@vormbaum.com writes:
>
> I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
> armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it
> looks
> like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
> hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the
> single
> engine condition.
>
> *As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help but wonder if
> there was fuel contamination (Jet-A?). Seems unlikely that the loss
> of power on one engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow
> continued flight, unless the second engine was on its way out. *
> **
> *Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was there?*
> **
> *We also have to allow for incapacitation of the pilot.*
> **
> *Wing Commander Gordon*
>
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are not in
need of a mortician, are you?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to get
you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Thu 10/25/2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are not
in
need of a mortician, are you?
Wing Commander Gordon
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Mostly, I am concerned that I am out to get myself. A couple of years ago an
FBO fueller put jet fuel in my 500, thinking that it's a turbine, since the
mail carriers flew turbine A/C's at night.
If it hadn't been that I was not greedy and saw that the fuel bill was much
less for the amount of fuel they put on board (jet fuel was cheaper than
avgas back then), I could have lost all power probably just after take-off
and ended up in the local neighborhood.
So, I am totally paranoid about putting fuel in myself.
That this Commander swallowed a valve is very unfortunate - but should have
been a preventable accident based purely on what is known now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to get you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Thu 10/25/2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are not in
need of a mortician, are you?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
The way it burned, reminded me of possibly Jet A. Just nothing left when
that stuff ignites.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash
>
> I immediately thought of misfueling. I still fear that and am always
> present when my airplane is fueled....
>
> CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 25-Oct-07 10:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > john@vormbaum.com writes:
> >
> > I remember reading about this when it happened. When I
> > armchair-quarterbacked it the first time, I guessed CFIT. Now it
> > looks
> > like it may have swallowed a valve on the right engine. With 20,750
> > hours of experience, it's a tragedy that he couldn't manage the
> > single
> > engine condition.
> >
> > *As long as we're armchair-quarterbacking, I can't help but wonder if
> > there was fuel contamination (Jet-A?). Seems unlikely that the loss
> > of power on one engine, subsequently feathered, would not allow
> > continued flight, unless the second engine was on its way out. *
> > **
> > *Not much fuel remaining in the wreckage, was there?*
> > **
> > *We also have to allow for incapacitation of the pilot.*
> > **
> > *Wing Commander Gordon*
> >
> >
> >
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10/25/2007 1:14 PM
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| Subject: | Re: N6370U crash |
The first thing I thought about when I saw this, was this a miss
fueling accident?
They must have a record of this aircraft taking on fuel when, by whom
and how much, and what kind of fuel?
I see nothing other than it was "topped off".
Bob Hoover had it happen to him. I witnessed it almost happen and
stopped the fuel truck driver before they started fueling.
Tylor Hall
On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Brock Lorber wrote:
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> Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to
> get you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
> CloudCraft@aol.com
> Sent: Thu 10/25/2007 12:08 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
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>
> In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
> bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
> Maybe that's neurotic.
>
>
> You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are
> not in
> need of a mortician, are you?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> <winmail.dat>
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I like your logic and your point.
Thanks
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are not in
need of a mortician, are you?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
I like that point , too.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not out to get you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Thu 10/25/2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6370U crash [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
In a message dated 25-Oct-07 12:04:55 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
I was so untrusting that I always put the fuel in.
Maybe that's neurotic.
You are in desperate need of psychiatric help. But then, you are not in
need of a mortician, are you?
Wing Commander Gordon
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