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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Commander training (nico css)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Commander training (CloudCraft@aol.com)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Commander training (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: Commander training (BillLeff1@aol.com)
5. 07:40 AM - Re: Commander training (BillLeff1@aol.com)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Engine Failures Update (BillLeff1@aol.com)
7. 11:41 AM - Engine Analyzer (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Robert Feldtman)
9. 12:49 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
10. 02:28 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (John Vormbaum)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (John Vormbaum)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
15. 09:34 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (BillLeff1@aol.com)
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Subject: | Commander training |
Was that cop going for his gun or did he pull his cuffs? The video ends as
he holds something in his hand that looks suspiciously like cuffs. Bill,
were you cuffed for that?
As a side-note. Why did they make that other guy pull over?
It would be interesting to hear.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catherine
Chagnot
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander training
<cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
Hi All,
I trained in my 680E with Bill Leff and just want to say that he's
more than knowledgeable, and that the training was through and very
professional. I don't know of anyone that has his range of experience
and knowledge of Commanders, nor such an absolute command of the
aircraft. I'll be going back to Bill on a regular basis for recurrent
training.
I was up in fond du Lac recently and saw where he landed on the
highway when he lost the engine on his T-6. It's really hard to
believe how low those wires were that he flew under and that he was
able to put the plane down safely on that crowded highway. Proof of
the kind of pilot he is was in that landing.......If you haven't seen
the 'cop-cam' video of the landing you click here to see it. The
video doesn't show the wires he flew under (unbelievably low) nor the
bounce over the cop car that took the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-NFM2wgmw
Cate
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Subject: | Re: Commander training |
In a message dated 31-Oct-07 01:27:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
As a side-note. Why did they make that other guy pull over?
It would be interesting to hear.
They pulled that other guy over for driving on the runway.
~KG~
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Subject: | Commander training |
he was a witness.
From: CloudCraft@aol.comDate: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:28:29 -0400Subject: Re: C
ommander-List: Commander trainingTo: commander-list@matronics.com
In a message dated 31-Oct-07 01:27:07 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersupe
rstore.com writes:
As a side-note. Why did they make that other guy pull over? It would be int
eresting to hear.
They pulled that other guy over for driving on the runway.
~KG~
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Subject: | Re: Commander training |
In the unedited cop video the white car cut passed and cut off the police
cars. They were not happy. They did let them go because they were foreign
visitors going to OSH. They stopped to take a picture!
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Commander training |
The officer was turning down the volume on the radio that was on his belt.
As he cane up to me he said "Man I about peed in my pants!" All of the police
were very friendly and professional. The local Patrol Post was selling the
video for $5.
The city sent me a bill for $36 for oil dry the fireman put under the plane.
The State charged $1600 for the sign I hit.
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Engine Failures Update |
I agree.
Bill
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I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I
hang the re-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there
on recommended systems and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe
that you had a system installed on your 500B. What system was it
and how much did it cost..?? I am also interested in any advice
from you experienced geared Commander guys about recommended
procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You
can believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating
those engines with TLC. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
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rd, i have found the JPI units to be very helpful on three different aircra
ft. mason
From: rcdettmer@charter.netTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Command
er-List: Engine AnalyzerDate: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700
I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I hang the re
-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there on recommended syste
ms and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe that you had a system installed
on your 500B. What system was it and how much did it cost..?? I am also
interested in any advice from you experienced geared Commander guys about r
ecommended procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You c
an believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those engin
es with TLC. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
Hi Randy,
I had the JPI EDM-760 Twin engine analyzer put in my airplane last year.
It cost ~$5k IIRC, and it's worth every penny. You could do it for less,
but I added on the optional fuel totalizer, and I love it. The JPI is a
very capable unit (moreso than the EI units I compared them to) and I
really like the software that comes with it, allowing you to download
all your flight history & engine behavior.
I HIGHLY recommend it. If nothing else, it'll pay for itself in fuel in
a few years.
/John
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
> rd, i have found the JPI units to be very helpful on three different
> aircraft. mason
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: rcdettmer@charter.net
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700
>
> I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I
> hang the re-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there
> on recommended systems and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe
> that you had a system installed on your 500B. What system was it
> and how much did it cost..?? I am also interested in any advice
> from you experienced geared Commander guys about recommended
> procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You can
> believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those
> engines with TLC. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
>
>
>
> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________
>
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Was that $5K installed or uninstalled..?? Thanks.
RD
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Hi Randy,
I had the JPI EDM-760 Twin engine analyzer put in my airplane last year.
It cost ~$5k IIRC, and it's worth every penny. You could do it for less,
but I added on the optional fuel totalizer, and I love it. The JPI is a
very capable unit (moreso than the EI units I compared them to) and I
really like the software that comes with it, allowing you to download
all your flight history & engine behavior.
I HIGHLY recommend it. If nothing else, it'll pay for itself in fuel in
a few years.
/John
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
> rd, i have found the JPI units to be very helpful on three different
> aircraft. mason
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> From: rcdettmer@charter.net
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700
>
> I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I
> hang the re-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there
> on recommended systems and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe
> that you had a system installed on your 500B. What system was it
> and how much did it cost..?? I am also interested in any advice
> from you experienced geared Commander guys about recommended
> procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You can
> believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those
> engines with TLC. Thanks.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________
>
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rd, one unit per side has worked out well. mason to see commander aero inst
all google 2001M
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:12 -0700> From: john@vormbaum.com> To: comma
nder-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer> > --
Randy,> > I had the JPI EDM-760 Twin engine analyzer put in my airplane la
st year. > It cost ~$5k IIRC, and it's worth every penny. You could do it f
or less, > but I added on the optional fuel totalizer, and I love it. The J
PI is a > very capable unit (moreso than the EI units I compared them to) a
nd I > really like the software that comes with it, allowing you to downloa
d > all your flight history & engine behavior.> > I HIGHLY recommend it. If
nothing else, it'll pay for itself in fuel in > a few years.> > /John> > >
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:> > rd, i have found the JPI units to be very help
ful on three different > > aircraft. mason> >> >> >> > --------------------
----------------------------------------------------> > From: rcdettmer@cha
rter.net> > To: commander-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Commander-List: En
gine Analyzer> > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700> >> > I am looking a
t installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I> > hang the re-built engi
nes in several weeks. Any advice out there> > on recommended systems and pr
ices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe> > that you had a system installed on you
r 500B. What system was it> > and how much did it cost..?? I am also intere
sted in any advice> > from you experienced geared Commander guys about reco
mmended> > procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You ca
n> > believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those> >
engines with TLC. Thanks.> >> > > >> > Randy Dettmer, AIA> >> > 680F / N625
3X> >> > > >> > > >> > *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*> >> > *
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*> >> > *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
***> >> > > >> >> >> > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information _______
================> > >
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
Installed, had it done during my last annual.
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> Was that $5K installed or uninstalled..?? Thanks.
>
> RD
>
>
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> I had the JPI EDM-760 Twin engine analyzer put in my airplane last year.
> It cost ~$5k IIRC, and it's worth every penny. You could do it for less,
> but I added on the optional fuel totalizer, and I love it. The JPI is a
> very capable unit (moreso than the EI units I compared them to) and I
> really like the software that comes with it, allowing you to download
> all your flight history & engine behavior.
>
> I HIGHLY recommend it. If nothing else, it'll pay for itself in fuel in
> a few years.
>
> /John
>
>
> MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
>
>> rd, i have found the JPI units to be very helpful on three different
>> aircraft. mason
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> --
>
>> From: rcdettmer@charter.net
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700
>>
>> I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I
>> hang the re-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there
>> on recommended systems and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe
>> that you had a system installed on your 500B. What system was it
>> and how much did it cost..?? I am also interested in any advice
>> from you experienced geared Commander guys about recommended
>> procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You can
>> believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those
>> engines with TLC. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>
>> 680F / N6253X
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>>
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I am getting quoted over $8K by my shop in Salinas - $4345 for the unit from
JPI (including a $300 JPI rebate) and about $4K to install. I am looking at
12 pair of wires from each engine (or more) routed to the panel. Is that
the same for your installation..??
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Installed, had it done during my last annual.
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
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> Was that $5K installed or uninstalled..?? Thanks.
>
> RD
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> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
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>
> Hi Randy,
>
> I had the JPI EDM-760 Twin engine analyzer put in my airplane last year.
> It cost ~$5k IIRC, and it's worth every penny. You could do it for less,
> but I added on the optional fuel totalizer, and I love it. The JPI is a
> very capable unit (moreso than the EI units I compared them to) and I
> really like the software that comes with it, allowing you to download
> all your flight history & engine behavior.
>
> I HIGHLY recommend it. If nothing else, it'll pay for itself in fuel in
> a few years.
>
> /John
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> MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
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>> rd, i have found the JPI units to be very helpful on three different
>> aircraft. mason
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>> From: rcdettmer@charter.net
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700
>>
>> I am looking at installing an engine analyzer on my 680F when I
>> hang the re-built engines in several weeks. Any advice out there
>> on recommended systems and prices..?? John Vormbaum, I believe
>> that you had a system installed on your 500B. What system was it
>> and how much did it cost..?? I am also interested in any advice
>> from you experienced geared Commander guys about recommended
>> procedures for breaking in and operating the new engines. You can
>> believe that I will want to be VERY conservative in treating those
>> engines with TLC. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA
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>> 680F / N6253X
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>> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
Do not run on ground except to check operation and leaks. In the air lots of
airspeed, lots of power and lots of fuel. This will seat the rings in without
glazing the cylinder walls. Make fine adjustments after break-in flight.
Again don't let it get hot on the ground while making the adjustments. The
Overhauled fuel injectors will be 10% rich because they are set up for 680FL's
with Big air Scoops. Lean it on ground for proper operation, get it in the air
and adjust it later.
Bill Leff
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