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0. 12:17 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:32 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Robert S. Randazzo)
3. 10:13 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (nico css)
4. 10:29 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (BobsV35B@aol.com)
5. 01:34 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (nico css)
6. 02:19 PM - Wastegate controllers (Tom Fisher)
7. 03:31 PM - Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (BradG27Z)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Steve @ Col-East)
9. 05:19 PM - Re: Wastegate controllers (rosie)
10. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Wastegate controllers (Tom Fisher)
11. 05:32 PM - Re: Wastegate controllers (mike floyd)
12. 05:34 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Don)
13. 05:47 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (BobsV35B@aol.com)
14. 06:11 PM - environment global warming (nico css)
15. 06:30 PM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Robert Feldtman)
16. 07:03 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Bill Bow)
17. 07:03 PM - Re: environment global warming (Bill Bow)
18. 08:01 PM - Re: environment global warming (Steve @ Col-East)
19. 08:08 PM - Re: environment global warming (John Vormbaum)
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Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
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Bob-
That's certainly putting a new "Spin" on things!
Green in terms of emissions- and green for the wallet too. ;-)
Robert Randazzo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Good Afternoon Victor,
I totally agree with the convenience of having good engine instrumentation,
but could I offer a new twist?
Rather than use the term LOP (Lean Of Peak) some folks are suggesting we
call it Green Of Peak or GOP. When in that admittedly lean mode, we are
being much more friendly to the environment by reducing the carbon emissions
and we are running the engine cooler which is always good. The idea of being
on the "Green" side sounds good to me!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/6/2007 2:23:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
vfc@fernandezgonzalez.com writes:
have the JPI EDM-760 on my 500, works great. The Fuel Flow is great too.
You lean to ROP or LOP, whichever you choose in a flash, no guessing at all.
Highly recommended
Victor
HI 560
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Guys/Gals-
This stunt was pulled at our local field- and the back side of this story is
how much damage was done to the airplane's fuel and ignition systems before
the FAA stepped in to put a stop to the foolishness. Word around town is
that the "Feds" were REALLY not amused at the risks taken.
We really don't need someone putting an airplane into a nearby neighborhood-
relations are tough enough as it is.
of course- that isn' the sort of thing you'd put into a press release-
especially when you are hoping for investors....
My opinion, of cousre.
RSR
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor
Fernandez
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Thanks for the advice Bob. Hadn't heard it before.
I thought GOP was Grand Ol' Party, just kidding
>From now on I'll use GOP
Speaking of green, have U seen the article on bio diesel fuels used on a jet
engine?
Let me see if I find the article or the link
http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/
http://www.greenflightinternational.com/
this article is from AOPA, enjoy
Victor
Jet flies on fast-food oil
By AOPA ePublishing staff
Bio JetThe day may come when the private and commercial jets crisscrossing
our skies run, at least in part, on plant-based fuels that don't contribute
to global warming or resource depletion.
That's the goal of pilot and entrepreneur Douglas Rodante who, on Oct. 1,
made the first jet flight fueled by 100-percent biodiesel. Rodante and Chief
Pilot Carol Sugars first flew a Czechoslovakian-built L-29 aircraft around
the pattern before making a 37-minute test-flight at altitudes up to 17,000
feet the following day. The aircraft, which is rated to run on a variety of
fuels, including heating oil, required no modifications to run on biodiesel.
"This proves that we can implement bio-fuels into our existing air and
ground transportation system," Rodante said of the first flights.
Rodante plans to make a cross-country flight from Nevada to Florida at the
end of November, as soon as he and his team have satisfied several FAA
testing and safety requirements. And they hope to modify a Learjet to make a
high-altitude round-the-world flight next year. The test program is being
conducted by Green Flight <http://www.greenflightinternational.com>
International and Biodiesel <http://www.biodieselsolutions.com> Solutions.
So just what was in the biodiesel used in the test flights? Recycled
vegetable oil from restaurants that has been treated with an additive to
remove the carbon chains. For the longer cross-country flight, the team
plans to use canola oil that has been similarly treated, but these aren't
the only possible sources of biodiesel.
"It's important for people to understand that we can use a lot of different
crops to make biodiesel, many of which do not compete with our food crops.
There are plants you can actually grow in the desert that would work,"
Rodante explained.
Even with the promise shown by these initial flights, don't expect to board
a commercial airliner running on biodiesel anytime soon. The fuel does have
a tendency to gel at cold temperatures and its solvent properties can cause
short-term fuel system clogs in vehicles that have previously been used with
traditional fossil fuels. But scientists and amateur enthusiasts alike are
working to resolve these problems and expect that some mixture of biodiesel
and traditional fuel will make its way into the mainstream in coming years.
"You don't have to use 100-percent biodiesel," said Rodante. "We're doing it
to make a point. But if we can implement even a small percentage of bio-fuel
into commercial aviation and land transportation, the reduction in carbon
emissions would be significant and contribute to alleviating our global
warming problems."
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Good Afternoon Victor,
I totally agree with the convenience of having good engine instrumentation,
but could I offer a new twist?
Rather than use the term LOP (Lean Of Peak) some folks are suggesting we
call it Green Of Peak or GOP. When in that admittedly lean mode, we are
being much more friendly to the environment by reducing the carbon emissions
and we are running the engine cooler which is always good. The idea of being
on the "Green" side sounds good to me!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/6/2007 2:23:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
vfc@fernandezgonzalez.com writes:
have the JPI EDM-760 on my 500, works great. The Fuel Flow is great too.
You lean to ROP or LOP, whichever you choose in a flash, no guessing at all.
Highly recommended
Victor
HI 560
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Oh, I was just commenting on the 'green' in terms of the environment, Bob. I
believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one can
purchase to offset one's carbon footprint while doing nothing to reduce
carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for
global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say.
I did not intend to vilify what you said.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
Good Evening Nico,
What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
Good Afternoon Nico,
I tend to agree with your interpretation, but it is rather nice to be able
to say that we are attempting to go with the flow as far as doing our part
whether it helps any or not. The entire issue of operating on the lean sid
e of
Best Power or on the lean side of Peak EGT is so fraught with untruths and
old wives tales that it is nice to have something like Green Of Peak that,
at
least, sounds good! <G>
Happy Skies,
Old (been operating on the Green Side for fifty-five plus years) Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Oh, I was just commenting on the =98green=99 in terms of the en
vironment, Bob.
I believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one
can purchase to offset one=99s carbon footprint while doing nothing t
o reduce
carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for
global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say.
I did not intend to vilify what you said.
Nico
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Hi Bob,
Yup, I agree. It does sound better. GOP vs LOP. The former even sounds as if
it has substance. :-)
I was always under the belief that running GOP would harm my engines, and
it's anybody's guess how much fuel I have dumped overboard unnecessarily.
Anyway, this site is loaded with experience and talent, which has taught me
a couple of things.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
Good Afternoon Nico,
I tend to agree with your interpretation, but it is rather nice to be able
to say that we are attempting to go with the flow as far as doing our part
whether it helps any or not. The entire issue of operating on the lean side
of Best Power or on the lean side of Peak EGT is so fraught with untruths
and old wives tales that it is nice to have something like Green Of Peak
that, at least, sounds good! <G>
Happy Skies,
Old (been operating on the Green Side for fifty-five plus years) Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Oh, I was just commenting on the 'green' in terms of the environment, Bob. I
believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one can
purchase to offset one's carbon footprint while doing nothing to reduce
carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for
global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say.
I did not intend to vilify what you said.
Nico
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Subject: | Wastegate controllers |
Help again,
I am in need of serviceable (no leaks either) wastegate controllers,
anyone?
Tom
C-GISS
Cell:604-649-9320
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Subject: | Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
I will pay premium dollar for the right A/C!I am still searching for the right
500B or 500S. I am looking for a solid airframe, less than 5,000 TT, NO DAMAGE
HISTORY, no corrosion or undocumented repairs. Prefer an A/C that has stayed
in the US and well cared for. Time on engines and props not important. Avionics
not important. Paint and interior not important. All logs and hopefully hangared.
Come on, there's got to be someone out there with a real cream puff that
is willing to part. (I am a private individual). Thanks,
Brad
360-658-9700[/b]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144484#144484
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From: | "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2@sover.net> |
Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
I believe in the hoax.
I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000
years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the
industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as
billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount
of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot
seriously be in dispute.
Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess
I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem
sustainable.
I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But
if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
Green of Peak..... I like that.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Surely, you don=99t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
Good Evening Nico,
What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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Subject: | Re: Wastegate controllers |
Wow, you must be rich if you can afford all those parts. Do you need a lady?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144508#144508
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Subject: | Re: Wastegate controllers |
As a matter of fact...........)(
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rosie" <rosepierobon@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Wastegate controllers
>
> Wow, you must be rich if you can afford all those parts. Do you need a
> lady?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144508#144508
>
>
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Subject: | Wastegate controllers |
Check with Gary at Main Turbos for information about those controllers. He
is a weath of knowlege about all things turbocharged.
We had a set on N7UP but I have no idea where they might have gone, the in
surance company sold the salvage on that ship.
Main Turbo Systems
234 Cotta CT.
Visalia CA. 93292
800-847-8815
Mike
Northern Commanders LLC
From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject:
Commander-List: Wastegate controllersDate: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:49:08 -0800
Help again,
I am in need of serviceable (no leaks either) wastegate controllers, anyone
?
Tom
C-GISS
Cell:604-649-9320
_________________________________________________________________
!
ilnews
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve @ Col-East
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
I believe in the hoax.
I am not quite sure how I believe. Yes, the temperatures are
increasing, but also on several of the planets with no human beings on
them due to the sun's increased temperature lately, so could it be a
natural cycle.
There are lots of very bright scientist on both sides of the debate.
Part of the problem is anyone so smart that he can invent the
internet, must be correct, even if he is a Politician. And I have
always believed, you don't have to lie to be a Politician but its an
asset.
Guess we will just have to wait on Milt and Bilbo to check in and
straighten us all out.
Don
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Subject: | Re: Engine Analyzer |
Good Evening Nico,
I feel that I was very fortunate in that in 1954 I was sent by my employer
to a school taught by some Curtiss Wright Engineers who did a great job of
explaining the combustion process. It piqued my curiosity and I adapted wha
t I
had been taught to operating my personal engines.
I keep learning everyday, but what I was taught almost fifty-five years ago
is being verified daily.
Good Old GOP!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/7/2007 3:35:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
I was always under the belief that running GOP would harm my engines, and i
t=99
s anybody=99s guess how much fuel I have dumped overboard unnecessari
ly.
Anyway, this site is loaded with experience and talent, which has taught me
a
couple of things.
Thanks
Nico
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Subject: | environment global warming |
Steve,
I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
the
environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up
where
we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than
one
that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no
reasonable
person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care
when we
deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing
to
do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe=92s temperature is
just
not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus,
I=92ll join
you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to
believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not
rational.
Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883
eruption,
the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to
20,000=92
with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883
eruptions
caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of
miles
away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in
Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000
miles
away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses,
such as
sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and
spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The
sky
was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and
artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that
fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers
drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the
landmass
of several islands in the area.
In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures,
normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a
pristine environment.
Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
see
the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the
atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the
Mt.
St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of
tons
of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures
spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires ' and the
planet
deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it=92s hard to
swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to
blackmail
us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you
seen a
more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty?
I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for
responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my
friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this as
a
business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops.
One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
deg,
how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends
about
10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some
mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18
degrees
between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years
I=92ve
been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the
same
at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and
1,000=92
down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again.
On
the same day. If the wind blows (you=92ve heard of the Santa Ana=92s,
I=92m sure)
the entire region=92s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and
when
do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites?
Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is
the
time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we=92re in?
Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This
aint
mud.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @
Col-East
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
I believe in the hoax.
I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000
years
of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial
age.
The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people
adopt
our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the
atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute.
Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess
I'm
naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem
sustainable.
I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But
if
day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
Green of Peak..... I like that.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
Good Evening Nico,
What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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Brad - a couple of us did reply to you. I can't figure out if you didn't get
our email, or if you don't get the picture- but I haven't seen any reply,
other than basically a carbon copy of your first request..
bobf
500B
On 11/7/07, BradG27Z <BradG27Z@comcast.net> wrote:
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>
> I will pay premium dollar for the right A/C!I am still searching for the
> right 500B or 500S. I am looking for a solid airframe, less than 5,000 TT,
> NO DAMAGE HISTORY, no corrosion or undocumented repairs. Prefer an A/C that
> has stayed in the US and well cared for. Time on engines and props not
> important. Avionics not important. Paint and interior not important. All
> logs and hopefully hangared. Come on, there's got to be someone out there
> with a real cream puff that is willing to part. (I am a private individual).
> Thanks,
> Brad
> 360-658-9700[/b]
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> Read this topic online here:
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I'll never turn down an invitation like that, however I'm sure Milt is much
more knowledgeable than I.
I would agree on the asset referred to and would add on that it is almost as
valuable as being able to look you straight in the eye while peeing in your
front pocket.
bilbo
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
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From: Steve @ Col-East <mailto:steve2@sover.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
I believe in the hoax.
I am not quite sure how I believe. Yes, the temperatures are increasing,
but also on several of the planets with no human beings on them due to the
sun's increased temperature lately, so could it be a natural cycle.
There are lots of very bright scientist on both sides of the debate.
Part of the problem is anyone so smart that he can invent the internet, must
be correct, even if he is a Politician. And I have always believed, you
don't have to lie to be a Politician but its an asset.
Guess we will just have to wait on Milt and Bilbo to check in and straighten
us all out.
Don
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Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming
Steve,
I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
the
environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up
where
we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than
one
that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no
reasonable
person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care
when we
deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing
to
do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe=92s temperature is
just
not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus,
I=92ll join
you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to
believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not
rational.
Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883
eruption,
the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to
20,000=92
with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883
eruptions
caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of
miles
away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in
Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000
miles
away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses,
such as
sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and
spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The
sky
was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and
artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that
fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers
drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the
landmass
of several islands in the area.
In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures,
normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a
pristine environment.
Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
see
the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the
atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the
Mt.
St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of
tons
of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures
spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires ' and the
planet
deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it=92s hard to
swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to
blackmail
us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you
seen a
more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty?
I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for
responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my
friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this as
a
business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops.
One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
deg,
how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends
about
10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some
mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18
degrees
between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years
I=92ve
been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the
same
at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and
1,000=92
down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again.
On
the same day. If the wind blows (you=92ve heard of the Santa Ana=92s,
I=92m sure)
the entire region=92s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and
when
do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites?
Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is
the
time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we=92re in?
Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This
aint
mud.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @
Col-East
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
I believe in the hoax.
I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000
years
of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial
age.
The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people
adopt
our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the
atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute.
Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess
I'm
naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem
sustainable.
I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But
if
day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
Green of Peak..... I like that.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
Good Evening Nico,
What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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Subject: | Re: environment global warming |
I ask the indulgence of the group for posting, but I'd like to thank
Nico for his words. I'd be happy to chat of-list as this has strayed
from Commander stuff.
Good words Nico, we're not that far apart. But yeah, I do believe human
activity has reached a level to where it can affect the environment. If
I understand just a little of the science (and if the scientists are
right!), carbon dioxide is more persistent versus a lot of other
contaminants, and we're removing a lot of the filtering mechanism for
CO2 while generating more and more of the stuff. There has been a huge
spike in Co2 in the past 200 hundred years, and the rate at which it is
increasing, is itself increasing. It's the highest its been in 800,000
years or some such thing.
I've read there is a fairly direct relationship with the amount of Co2
and methane, and climate change. If we accept the premise that the level
of some gases in the atmosphere might influence climate, it doesn't seem
like much of a stretch to believe we are contributing to it. Whether by
war, or normal human activity (hard to tell them apart sometimes), it is
all contributing.
My interest is also somewhat self serving. At the current rate of growth
in consumption of energy and resources, the demand will far outstrip
supply. China alone will out consume the world's supply of both within a
generation. Something is going to have to give.
Peace,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming
Steve,
I don't disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean
up where we picnic and don't waste water, prefer a cleaner running
engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe
that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when we are
done or show care when we deal with what we do to the environment is a
good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that we are influencing
the globe's temperature is just not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve
and believe in Santa Claus, I'll join you if it means being responsible
custodians of the environment. But to believe that we can, are able, to
affect climate change, is just not rational.
Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883
eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching
up to 20,000' with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The
August 1883 eruptions caused 100' tsunamis and boats rocked in South
Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of the
explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in
Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic
kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and sulfuric
acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all over the
planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was blood red and
the moon was blue for years after the explosion and artists painted red
sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that fell back to the
earth covered about one million square kilometers drastically altering
the ocean floor in the area and increasing the landmass of several
islands in the area.
In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal.
The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the
temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some
tourists call a pristine environment.
Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into
the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties,
the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing
millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of
submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest
fires - and the planet deals with it, as it has been for millions of
years, then it's hard to swallow the propaganda of global warming as
anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting with very large sums of
money. I mean, where have you seen a more blatant fraud than the
carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty?
I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for
responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my
friend. You wouldn't part with five bucks if someone proposed this as a
business deal to you. You'd probably call the cops.
One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with
friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the
morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more
than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in
the 10 years I've been playing there several times per week, has the
temperature been the same at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I
can go 20 miles west and 1,000' down to the coast and the temperature
would be vastly different again. On the same day. If the wind blows
(you've heard of the Santa Ana's, I'm sure) the entire region's
temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and when do they measure
to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites? Weather
stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is the
time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we're in?
Nah. I'd stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This
aint mud.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @
Col-East
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
I believe in the hoax.
I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000
years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the
industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as
billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount
of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot
seriously be in dispute.
Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I
guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem
sustainable.
I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks.
But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
Green of Peak..... I like that.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
Good Evening Nico,
What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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Nico,
I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is
a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs.
Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of
the stupidity of the politicians.
I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the
US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash
when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or
elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle
as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a
zero-environmental-impact resident.
I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's
past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental
science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly
is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the
planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several
other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again
be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be
teeming with new species.
Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to
clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100%
clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an
eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then.
A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing
battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't
log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way
overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907,
after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF
down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds
were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years
later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains.
I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me
driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be
called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the
environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a
normal car.
/ramble mode off/
/John
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>
>
> bilbo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming
>
> Steve,
>
> I dont disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
> the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean
> up where we picnic and dont waste water, prefer a cleaner running
> engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly
> believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when
> we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the
> environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that
> we are influencing the globes temperature is just not rational. If
> you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, Ill join you if it
> means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe
> that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational.
>
> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883
> eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere
> reaching up to 20,000 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles
> away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100 tsunamis and boats rocked
> in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of
> the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away
> and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic
> kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and
> sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all
> over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was
> blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and
> artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash
> that fell back to the earth covered about one million square
> kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and
> increasing the landmass of several islands in the area.
>
> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal.
> The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the
> temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some
> tourists call a pristine environment.
>
> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
> see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched
> into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the
> nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events
> spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown
> amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans,
> massive forest fires and the planet deals with it, as it has been
> for millions of years, then its hard to swallow the propaganda of
> global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting
> with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more
> blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty?
>
> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for
> responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle,
> my friend. You wouldnt part with five bucks if someone proposed this
> as a business deal to you. Youd probably call the cops.
>
> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
> deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with
> friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in
> the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference
> is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts.
> Never, ever in the 10 years Ive been playing there several times per
> week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the
> courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000 down to the coast
> and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day.
> If the wind blows (youve heard of the Santa Anas, Im sure) the
> entire regions temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and
> when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference?
> Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years
> ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the
> danger were in?
>
> Nah. Id stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This
> aint mud.
>
> Nico
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Steve @ Col-East
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> I believe in the hoax.
>
> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
> environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture,
> manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all
> contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at
> the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing
> dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The
> fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the
> temperature cannot seriously be in dispute.
>
> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I
> guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem
> sustainable.
>
> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks.
> But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
>
> Green of Peak..... I like that.....
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com>
>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes:
>
> Surely, you dont buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
>
> Good Evening Nico,
>
> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
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