---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/07/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:32 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 01:33 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Robert S. Randazzo) 3. 10:13 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (nico css) 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Engine Analyzer (BobsV35B@aol.com) 5. 01:34 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (nico css) 6. 02:19 PM - Wastegate controllers (Tom Fisher) 7. 03:31 PM - Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (BradG27Z) 8. 03:39 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Steve @ Col-East) 9. 05:19 PM - Re: Wastegate controllers (rosie) 10. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Wastegate controllers (Tom Fisher) 11. 05:32 PM - Re: Wastegate controllers (mike floyd) 12. 05:34 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Don) 13. 05:47 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (BobsV35B@aol.com) 14. 06:11 PM - environment global warming (nico css) 15. 06:30 PM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Robert Feldtman) 16. 07:03 PM - Re: Engine Analyzer (Bill Bow) 17. 07:03 PM - Re: environment global warming (Bill Bow) 18. 08:01 PM - Re: environment global warming (Steve @ Col-East) 19. 08:08 PM - Re: environment global warming (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:31 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Commander-List: What Listers Are Saying... November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List and Forums: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying ================ Flying and building is much safer with this List!! Robert D. Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to all of us builders and flyers. Wayne E. Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising! Peter J. ..a great resource!! Robert C. Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right up to date with what's going on. Chris D. The web forum has been running great. James O. I enjoy this [List] site very much... Paul C. This is a great list! Albert G. ..a valuable resource! Roger C. I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind! Gregory C. ..fantastic service! Roger M. ..clearly a work of passion! Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:22 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Bob- That's certainly putting a new "Spin" on things! Green in terms of emissions- and green for the wallet too. ;-) Robert Randazzo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Good Afternoon Victor, I totally agree with the convenience of having good engine instrumentation, but could I offer a new twist? Rather than use the term LOP (Lean Of Peak) some folks are suggesting we call it Green Of Peak or GOP. When in that admittedly lean mode, we are being much more friendly to the environment by reducing the carbon emissions and we are running the engine cooler which is always good. The idea of being on the "Green" side sounds good to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/6/2007 2:23:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, vfc@fernandezgonzalez.com writes: have the JPI EDM-760 on my 500, works great. The Fuel Flow is great too. You lean to ROP or LOP, whichever you choose in a flash, no guessing at all. Highly recommended Victor HI 560 _____ See what's new __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:53 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Guys/Gals- This stunt was pulled at our local field- and the back side of this story is how much damage was done to the airplane's fuel and ignition systems before the FAA stepped in to put a stop to the foolishness. Word around town is that the "Feds" were REALLY not amused at the risks taken. We really don't need someone putting an airplane into a nearby neighborhood- relations are tough enough as it is. of course- that isn' the sort of thing you'd put into a press release- especially when you are hoping for investors.... My opinion, of cousre. RSR _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Thanks for the advice Bob. Hadn't heard it before. I thought GOP was Grand Ol' Party, just kidding >From now on I'll use GOP Speaking of green, have U seen the article on bio diesel fuels used on a jet engine? Let me see if I find the article or the link http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/ http://www.greenflightinternational.com/ this article is from AOPA, enjoy Victor Jet flies on fast-food oil By AOPA ePublishing staff Bio JetThe day may come when the private and commercial jets crisscrossing our skies run, at least in part, on plant-based fuels that don't contribute to global warming or resource depletion. That's the goal of pilot and entrepreneur Douglas Rodante who, on Oct. 1, made the first jet flight fueled by 100-percent biodiesel. Rodante and Chief Pilot Carol Sugars first flew a Czechoslovakian-built L-29 aircraft around the pattern before making a 37-minute test-flight at altitudes up to 17,000 feet the following day. The aircraft, which is rated to run on a variety of fuels, including heating oil, required no modifications to run on biodiesel. "This proves that we can implement bio-fuels into our existing air and ground transportation system," Rodante said of the first flights. Rodante plans to make a cross-country flight from Nevada to Florida at the end of November, as soon as he and his team have satisfied several FAA testing and safety requirements. And they hope to modify a Learjet to make a high-altitude round-the-world flight next year. The test program is being conducted by Green Flight International and Biodiesel Solutions. So just what was in the biodiesel used in the test flights? Recycled vegetable oil from restaurants that has been treated with an additive to remove the carbon chains. For the longer cross-country flight, the team plans to use canola oil that has been similarly treated, but these aren't the only possible sources of biodiesel. "It's important for people to understand that we can use a lot of different crops to make biodiesel, many of which do not compete with our food crops. There are plants you can actually grow in the desert that would work," Rodante explained. Even with the promise shown by these initial flights, don't expect to board a commercial airliner running on biodiesel anytime soon. The fuel does have a tendency to gel at cold temperatures and its solvent properties can cause short-term fuel system clogs in vehicles that have previously been used with traditional fossil fuels. But scientists and amateur enthusiasts alike are working to resolve these problems and expect that some mixture of biodiesel and traditional fuel will make its way into the mainstream in coming years. "You don't have to use 100-percent biodiesel," said Rodante. "We're doing it to make a point. But if we can implement even a small percentage of bio-fuel into commercial aviation and land transportation, the reduction in carbon emissions would be significant and contribute to alleviating our global warming problems." _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Good Afternoon Victor, I totally agree with the convenience of having good engine instrumentation, but could I offer a new twist? Rather than use the term LOP (Lean Of Peak) some folks are suggesting we call it Green Of Peak or GOP. When in that admittedly lean mode, we are being much more friendly to the environment by reducing the carbon emissions and we are running the engine cooler which is always good. The idea of being on the "Green" side sounds good to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/6/2007 2:23:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, vfc@fernandezgonzalez.com writes: have the JPI EDM-760 on my 500, works great. The Fuel Flow is great too. You lean to ROP or LOP, whichever you choose in a flash, no guessing at all. Highly recommended Victor HI 560 _____ See what's new http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com __________ Informacisn de NOD32, revisisn 2641 (20071106) __________ Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system http://www.nod32.com __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:06 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Oh, I was just commenting on the 'green' in terms of the environment, Bob. I believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one can purchase to offset one's carbon footprint while doing nothing to reduce carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say. I did not intend to vilify what you said. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 _____ See what's ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:43 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Good Afternoon Nico, I tend to agree with your interpretation, but it is rather nice to be able to say that we are attempting to go with the flow as far as doing our part whether it helps any or not. The entire issue of operating on the lean sid e of Best Power or on the lean side of Peak EGT is so fraught with untruths and old wives tales that it is nice to have something like Green Of Peak that, at least, sounds good! Happy Skies, Old (been operating on the Green Side for fifty-five plus years) Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Oh, I was just commenting on the =98green=99 in terms of the en vironment, Bob. I believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one can purchase to offset one=99s carbon footprint while doing nothing t o reduce carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say. I did not intend to vilify what you said. Nico ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:13 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Hi Bob, Yup, I agree. It does sound better. GOP vs LOP. The former even sounds as if it has substance. :-) I was always under the belief that running GOP would harm my engines, and it's anybody's guess how much fuel I have dumped overboard unnecessarily. Anyway, this site is loaded with experience and talent, which has taught me a couple of things. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Good Afternoon Nico, I tend to agree with your interpretation, but it is rather nice to be able to say that we are attempting to go with the flow as far as doing our part whether it helps any or not. The entire issue of operating on the lean side of Best Power or on the lean side of Peak EGT is so fraught with untruths and old wives tales that it is nice to have something like Green Of Peak that, at least, sounds good! Happy Skies, Old (been operating on the Green Side for fifty-five plus years) Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Oh, I was just commenting on the 'green' in terms of the environment, Bob. I believe the carbon-footprint concept and the associated credits that one can purchase to offset one's carbon footprint while doing nothing to reduce carbon emissions, is a huge hoax. I also believe we are not responsible for global warming, if it is indeed heating up, that is to say. I did not intend to vilify what you said. Nico _____ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:40 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Commander-List: Wastegate controllers Help again, I am in need of serviceable (no leaks either) wastegate controllers, anyone? Tom C-GISS Cell:604-649-9320 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:38 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! From: "BradG27Z" I will pay premium dollar for the right A/C!I am still searching for the right 500B or 500S. I am looking for a solid airframe, less than 5,000 TT, NO DAMAGE HISTORY, no corrosion or undocumented repairs. Prefer an A/C that has stayed in the US and well cared for. Time on engines and props not important. Avionics not important. Paint and interior not important. All logs and hopefully hangared. Come on, there's got to be someone out there with a real cream puff that is willing to part. (I am a private individual). Thanks, Brad 360-658-9700[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144484#144484 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:26 PM PST US From: "Steve @ Col-East" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem sustainable. I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. Green of Peak..... I like that..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don=99t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:40 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Wastegate controllers From: "rosie" Wow, you must be rich if you can afford all those parts. Do you need a lady? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144508#144508 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:15 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Wastegate controllers As a matter of fact...........)( Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rosie" Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Wastegate controllers > > Wow, you must be rich if you can afford all those parts. Do you need a > lady? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144508#144508 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:14 PM PST US From: mike floyd Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wastegate controllers Check with Gary at Main Turbos for information about those controllers. He is a weath of knowlege about all things turbocharged. We had a set on N7UP but I have no idea where they might have gone, the in surance company sold the salvage on that ship. Main Turbo Systems 234 Cotta CT. Visalia CA. 93292 800-847-8815 Mike Northern Commanders LLC From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Commander-List: Wastegate controllersDate: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:49:08 -0800 Help again, I am in need of serviceable (no leaks either) wastegate controllers, anyone ? Tom C-GISS Cell:604-649-9320 _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:27 PM PST US From: "Don" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve @ Col-East To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I am not quite sure how I believe. Yes, the temperatures are increasing, but also on several of the planets with no human beings on them due to the sun's increased temperature lately, so could it be a natural cycle. There are lots of very bright scientist on both sides of the debate. Part of the problem is anyone so smart that he can invent the internet, must be correct, even if he is a Politician. And I have always believed, you don't have to lie to be a Politician but its an asset. Guess we will just have to wait on Milt and Bilbo to check in and straighten us all out. Don ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:12 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer Good Evening Nico, I feel that I was very fortunate in that in 1954 I was sent by my employer to a school taught by some Curtiss Wright Engineers who did a great job of explaining the combustion process. It piqued my curiosity and I adapted wha t I had been taught to operating my personal engines. I keep learning everyday, but what I was taught almost fifty-five years ago is being verified daily. Good Old GOP! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/7/2007 3:35:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: I was always under the belief that running GOP would harm my engines, and i t=99 s anybody=99s guess how much fuel I have dumped overboard unnecessari ly. Anyway, this site is loaded with experience and talent, which has taught me a couple of things. Thanks Nico ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:09 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming Steve, I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up where we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe=92s temperature is just not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus, I=92ll join you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to 20,000=92 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a pristine environment. Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires ' and the planet deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it=92s hard to swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this as a business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops. One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years I=92ve been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000=92 down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. If the wind blows (you=92ve heard of the Santa Ana=92s, I=92m sure) the entire region=92s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we=92re in? Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This aint mud. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @ Col-East Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem sustainable. I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. Green of Peak..... I like that..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 _____ See what's href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics. com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:32 PM PST US From: "Robert Feldtman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! Brad - a couple of us did reply to you. I can't figure out if you didn't get our email, or if you don't get the picture- but I haven't seen any reply, other than basically a carbon copy of your first request.. bobf 500B On 11/7/07, BradG27Z wrote: > > > I will pay premium dollar for the right A/C!I am still searching for the > right 500B or 500S. I am looking for a solid airframe, less than 5,000 TT, > NO DAMAGE HISTORY, no corrosion or undocumented repairs. Prefer an A/C that > has stayed in the US and well cared for. Time on engines and props not > important. Avionics not important. Paint and interior not important. All > logs and hopefully hangared. Come on, there's got to be someone out there > with a real cream puff that is willing to part. (I am a private individual). > Thanks, > Brad > 360-658-9700[/b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144484#144484 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I'll never turn down an invitation like that, however I'm sure Milt is much more knowledgeable than I. I would agree on the asset referred to and would add on that it is almost as valuable as being able to look you straight in the eye while peeing in your front pocket. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve @ Col-East Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I am not quite sure how I believe. Yes, the temperatures are increasing, but also on several of the planets with no human beings on them due to the sun's increased temperature lately, so could it be a natural cycle. There are lots of very bright scientist on both sides of the debate. Part of the problem is anyone so smart that he can invent the internet, must be correct, even if he is a Politician. And I have always believed, you don't have to lie to be a Politician but its an asset. Guess we will just have to wait on Milt and Bilbo to check in and straighten us all out. Don ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: environment global warming Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming Steve, I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up where we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe=92s temperature is just not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus, I=92ll join you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to 20,000=92 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a pristine environment. Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires ' and the planet deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it=92s hard to swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this as a business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops. One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years I=92ve been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000=92 down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. If the wind blows (you=92ve heard of the Santa Ana=92s, I=92m sure) the entire region=92s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we=92re in? Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This aint mud. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @ Col-East Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem sustainable. I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. Green of Peak..... I like that..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 _____ See what's href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics. com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:49 PM PST US From: "Steve @ Col-East" Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming I ask the indulgence of the group for posting, but I'd like to thank Nico for his words. I'd be happy to chat of-list as this has strayed from Commander stuff. Good words Nico, we're not that far apart. But yeah, I do believe human activity has reached a level to where it can affect the environment. If I understand just a little of the science (and if the scientists are right!), carbon dioxide is more persistent versus a lot of other contaminants, and we're removing a lot of the filtering mechanism for CO2 while generating more and more of the stuff. There has been a huge spike in Co2 in the past 200 hundred years, and the rate at which it is increasing, is itself increasing. It's the highest its been in 800,000 years or some such thing. I've read there is a fairly direct relationship with the amount of Co2 and methane, and climate change. If we accept the premise that the level of some gases in the atmosphere might influence climate, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to believe we are contributing to it. Whether by war, or normal human activity (hard to tell them apart sometimes), it is all contributing. My interest is also somewhat self serving. At the current rate of growth in consumption of energy and resources, the demand will far outstrip supply. China alone will out consume the world's supply of both within a generation. Something is going to have to give. Peace, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming Steve, I don't disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up where we picnic and don't waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe's temperature is just not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus, I'll join you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to 20,000' with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100' tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a pristine environment. Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires - and the planet deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it's hard to swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my friend. You wouldn't part with five bucks if someone proposed this as a business deal to you. You'd probably call the cops. One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years I've been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000' down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. If the wind blows (you've heard of the Santa Ana's, I'm sure) the entire region's temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we're in? Nah. I'd stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This aint mud. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @ Col-East Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem sustainable. I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. Green of Peak..... I like that..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:53 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming Nico, I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the stupidity of the politicians. I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident. I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species. Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then. A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains. I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car. /ramble mode off/ /John Bill Bow wrote: > > Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. > > bilbo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming > > Steve, > > I dont disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of > the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up where we picnic and dont waste water, prefer a cleaner running > engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the globes temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, Ill join you if it > means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. > > Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 > eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere > reaching up to 20,000 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square > kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and > increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. > > In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. > The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the > temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call a pristine environment. > > Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I > see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched > into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires and the planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then its hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? > > I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for > responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, > my friend. You wouldnt part with five bucks if someone proposed this > as a business deal to you. Youd probably call the cops. > > One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 > deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with > friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in > the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever in the 10 years Ive been playing there several times per > week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000 down to the coast > and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (youve heard of the Santa Anas, Im sure) the > entire regions temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the > danger were in? > > Nah. Id stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This > aint mud. > > Nico > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Steve @ Col-East > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > I believe in the hoax. > > I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the > environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, > manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. > > Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I > guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem > sustainable. > > I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. > But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. > > Green of Peak..... I like that..... > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com > > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > > Surely, you dont buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? > > Good Evening Nico, > > What hoax is involved? 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