Commander-List Digest Archive

Thu 11/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 06:44 AM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (BradG27Z)
     2. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Tom Fisher)
     3. 08:39 AM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (rosie)
     4. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (David Owens)
     5. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (David Owens)
     6. 11:36 AM - Test (Tom Fisher)
     7. 11:50 AM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (John Vormbaum)
     8. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (nico css)
     9. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Steve at Col-East)
    10. 03:17 PM - Cream Puffs and such (Catherine Chagnot)
    11. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Robert S. Randazzo)
    12. 03:57 PM - Re: environment global warming (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
    13. 04:25 PM - Re: environment global warming (John Vormbaum)
    14. 05:46 PM - Re: Cream Puffs and such (lloyd SILVERMAN)
    15. 06:47 PM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Catherine Chagnot)
    16. 07:12 PM - Re: environment global warming (Bill Bow)
    17. 09:47 PM - Re: environment global warming (Steve @ Col-East)
    18. 10:22 PM - Re: environment global warming (John Vormbaum)
    19. 11:47 PM - Re: environment global warming (John Vormbaum)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:44:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    From: "BradG27Z" <BradG27Z@comcast.net>
    I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not interested in an aircraft with a damage history. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144568#144568


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    Time: 08:30:57 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    Stay clear of this one, there certainly appears to be an attitude problem, not sure if he even deserves to own a Commander. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BradG27Z" <BradG27Z@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! > > I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not > interested in an aircraft with a damage history. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144568#144568 > > >


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    Time: 08:39:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    From: "rosie" <rosepierobon@GMAIL.COM>
    [quote="BradG27Z"]I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not interested in an aircraft with a damage history.[/quote] Well, my Grandpa left a me a nice plane but the airframe is over 20 hours. I am trying to decide if I should learn to fly. I was thinking of learning to fly and drop food to the hungry people of the world. You sound rude, I would not sell to someone so rude. Manners are important in every situation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144588#144588


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    Time: 08:40:13 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    here here... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 09:49:03 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    hehehe...OK then. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 11:36:36 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Test
    Test from GISS


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    Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    BradG27Z wrote: > I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not interested in an aircraft with a damage history. Wow Brad, Responsive AND polite! Perhaps you should build yourself a Commander from scratch. That certainly is the (only) way to get what you want. Although I'm also certain that people here will be tripping over themselves to help you. Hold your breath, the replies will be pouring in! Or, better yet, get yourself a new Cessna 172. It fits all your requirements, and we won't have to deal with you. /J Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144619#144619


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    Time: 12:42:06 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    It's like wanting to marry at age 50 and looking for a virgin. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> Stay clear of this one, there certainly appears to be an attitude problem, not sure if he even deserves to own a Commander. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BradG27Z" <BradG27Z@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! > > I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not > interested in an aircraft with a damage history. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144568#144568 > > >


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    Time: 02:06:34 PM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    Hold on guys, we need more people posting crazy messages and should be encouraging it. It helps make me look more normal....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! > > > BradG27Z wrote: >> I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not >> interested in an aircraft with a damage history. > > > Wow Brad, > > Responsive AND polite! Perhaps you should build yourself a Commander from > scratch. That certainly is the (only) way to get what you want. > > Although I'm also certain that people here will be tripping over > themselves to help you. Hold your breath, the replies will be pouring in! > > Or, better yet, get yourself a new Cessna 172. It fits all your > requirements, and we won't have to deal with you. > > /J > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144619#144619 > > >


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    Time: 03:17:20 PM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: Cream Puffs and such
    Hey Guys, Correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm sure you will)..... Wouldn't a 'Cream Puff' 500S or B of under 5000 hrs possibly have a serious spar issue waiting to be found where as over 10,000 hrs, if it's still flying it's had any possible spar issues dealt with? Though familiar with the issues for my 680E I'm not too sure about others. Cate N4278S 1959 680E


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    Time: 03:26:16 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    Wait..... Is that unrealistic????? What if she owns a lowctime commander too?? :-p Robert S. Randazzo Precision Manuals Development Group http://www.precisionmanuals.com On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:35 AM, "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> wrote: > > > > It's like wanting to marry at age 50 and looking for a virgin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Fisher > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:46 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > puff! > > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> > > Stay clear of this one, there certainly appears to be an attitude > problem, > not sure if he even deserves to own a Commander. > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BradG27Z" <BradG27Z@comcast.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:41 AM > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! > > >> > >> >> I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not >> interested in an aircraft with a damage history. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144568#144568 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 03:57:04 PM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: environment global warming
    Nico, Thanks for this. Moe N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: environment global warming Steve, I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean up where we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that we are influencing the globe=92s temperature is just not rational. If you claim to be na=EFve and believe in Santa Claus, I=92ll join you if it means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere reaching up to 20,000=92 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash that fell back to the earth covered about one million square kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some tourists call a pristine environment. Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, massive forest fires ' and the planet deals with it, as it has been for millions of years, then it=92s hard to swallow the propaganda of global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, my friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this as a business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops. One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. Never, ever in the 10 years I=92ve been playing there several times per week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000=92 down to the coast and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. If the wind blows (you=92ve heard of the Santa Ana=92s, I=92m sure) the entire region=92s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the danger we=92re in? Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This aint mud. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @ Col-East Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer I believe in the hoax. I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem sustainable. I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. Green of Peak..... I like that..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? Good Evening Nico, What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 _____ See what's href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics. com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 04:25:16 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: environment global warming
    Yes, Nico, you worded this far better than I could and we are of the same opinion. /John Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > > Nico, > > Thanks for this. > > Moe > > N680RR > > 680F(p) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:03 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming > > Steve, > > I dont disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of > the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up where we picnic and dont waste water, prefer a cleaner running > engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the globes temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, Ill join you if it > means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. > > Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 > eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere > reaching up to 20,000 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square > kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and > increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. > > In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. > The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the > temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call a pristine environment. > > Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I > see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched > into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires and the planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then its hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? > > I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for > responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, > my friend. You wouldnt part with five bucks if someone proposed this > as a business deal to you. Youd probably call the cops. > > One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 > deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with > friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in > the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever in the 10 years Ive been playing there several times per > week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000 down to the coast > and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (youve heard of the Santa Anas, Im sure) the > entire regions temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the > danger were in? > > Nah. Id stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This > aint mud. > > Nico > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Steve @ Col-East > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > I believe in the hoax. > > I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the > environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, > manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. > > Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I > guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem > sustainable. > > I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. > But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. > > Green of Peak..... I like that..... > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> > > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes: > > Surely, you dont buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? > > Good Evening Nico, > > What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See what's > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > * > > > * > > > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ >


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    Time: 05:46:55 PM PST US
    From: "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Cream Puffs and such
    Hey guys, n6290x is a front door 500B with under 2700 hrs since new. Forget the creampuff, it needs a new panel but otherwise is a great solid bird as are most 500b's. On 11/8/07, Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> wrote: > > cchagnot@ultimateair.com> > > Hey Guys, > > Correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm sure you will)..... > > Wouldn't a 'Cream Puff' 500S or B of under 5000 hrs possibly have a > serious spar issue waiting to be found where as over 10,000 hrs, if > it's still flying it's had any possible spar issues dealt with? > Though familiar with the issues for my 680E I'm not too sure about > others. > > Cate > N4278S > 1959 680E > > -- LLOYD


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    Time: 06:47:32 PM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
    Hey Guys, Correct me if I'm wrong here (I'm sure you will)..... Wouldn't a 'Cream Puff' 500S or B of under 5000 hrs possibly have a serious spar issue waiting to be found where as over 10,000 hrs, if it's still flying it's had any possible spar issues dealt with? Though familiar with the issues for my 680E I'm not too sure about others. Cate N4278S 1959 680E


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    Time: 07:12:27 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: environment global warming
    "Toyota Pious" I like that. May I use it? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming Nico, I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the stupidity of the politicians. I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident. I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species. Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then. A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains. I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car. /ramble mode off/ /John Bill Bow wrote: > > Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G> > > bilbo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming > > Steve, > > I dont disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of > the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up where we picnic and dont waste water, prefer a cleaner running > engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the globes temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, Ill join you if it > means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. > > Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 > eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere > reaching up to 20,000 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square > kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and > increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. > > In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. > The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the > temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call a pristine environment. > > Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I > see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched > into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires and the planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then its hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? > > I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for > responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, > my friend. You wouldnt part with five bucks if someone proposed this > as a business deal to you. Youd probably call the cops. > > One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 > deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with > friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in > the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever in the 10 years Ive been playing there several times per > week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000 down to the coast > and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (youve heard of the Santa Anas, Im sure) the > entire regions temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the > danger were in? > > Nah. Id stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This > aint mud. > > Nico > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Steve @ Col-East > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > I believe in the hoax. > > I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the > environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, > manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. > > Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I > guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem > sustainable. > > I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. > But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. > > Green of Peak..... I like that..... > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> > > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer > > In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes: > > Surely, you dont buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? > > Good Evening Nico, > > What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See what's > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Commander-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > * > > > * > > > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ >


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    Time: 09:47:09 PM PST US
    From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: environment global warming
    Even I hate the noxious clouds of smug they produce. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: environment global warming > > "Toyota Pious" > I like that. May I use it? > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming > > > Nico, > > I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is > a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. > Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of > the stupidity of the politicians. > > I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the > US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash > when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or > elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle > as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a > zero-environmental-impact resident. > > I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's > past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental > science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly > is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the > planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several > other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again > be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be > teeming with new species. > > Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to > clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% > clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an > eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then. > > A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing > battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't > log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way > overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, > after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF > down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds > were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years > later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains. > > I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me > driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be > called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the > environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a > normal car. > > /ramble mode off/ > > /John > > > Bill Bow wrote: >> >> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G> >> >> bilbo >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico >> css >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming >> >> Steve, >> >> I don't disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of >> the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean >> up where we picnic and don't waste water, prefer a cleaner running >> engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly >> believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when >> we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the >> environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that >> we are influencing the globe's temperature is just not rational. If >> you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, I'll join you if it >> means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe >> that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. >> >> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 >> eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere >> reaching up to 20,000' with the noise being heard up to 100 miles >> away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100' tsunamis and boats rocked >> in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of >> the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away >> and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic >> kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and >> sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all >> over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was >> blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and >> artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash >> that fell back to the earth covered about one million square >> kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and >> increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. >> >> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. >> The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the >> temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some >> tourists call a pristine environment. >> >> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I >> see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched >> into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the >> nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events >> spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown >> amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, >> massive forest fires - and the planet deals with it, as it has been >> for millions of years, then it's hard to swallow the propaganda of >> global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting >> with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more >> blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? >> >> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for >> responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, >> my friend. You wouldn't part with five bucks if someone proposed this >> as a business deal to you. You'd probably call the cops. >> >> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 >> deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with >> friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in >> the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference >> is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. >> Never, ever in the 10 years I've been playing there several times per >> week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the >> courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000' down to the coast >> and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. >> If the wind blows (you've heard of the Santa Ana's, I'm sure) the >> entire region's temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and >> when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? >> Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years >> ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the >> danger we're in? >> >> Nah. I'd stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This >> aint mud. >> >> Nico >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Steve @ Col-East >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >> >> I believe in the hoax. >> >> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the >> environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, >> manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all >> contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at >> the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing >> dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The >> fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the >> temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. >> >> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I >> guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem >> sustainable. >> >> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. >> But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. >> >> Green of Peak..... I like that..... >> >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> >> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >> >> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes: >> >> Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? >> >> Good Evening Nico, >> >> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! >> >> Happy Skies, >> >> Old Bob >> AKA >> Bob Siegfried >> Ancient Aviator >> Stearman N3977A >> Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >> Downers Grove, IL 60516 >> 630 985-8503 >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> See what's >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.co > m/Navigator?Commander-List* >> >> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> * * >> >> * * >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> * http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >> ** >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> * * >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ >> > > >


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    Time: 10:22:08 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: environment global warming
    See.....Steve knows where I got it :-). Steve @ Col-East wrote: > <steve2@sover.net> > > Even I hate the noxious clouds of smug they produce. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: environment global warming > > >> <bowing74@earthlink.net> >> >> "Toyota Pious" >> I like that. May I use it? >> bilbo >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >> Vormbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 PM >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming >> >> >> Nico, >> >> I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is >> a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. >> Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of >> the stupidity of the politicians. >> >> I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the >> US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash >> when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or >> elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle >> as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a >> zero-environmental-impact resident. >> >> I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's >> past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental >> science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly >> is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the >> planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several >> other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again >> be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be >> teeming with new species. >> >> Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to >> clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% >> clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an >> eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then. >> >> A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing >> battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't >> log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way >> overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, >> after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF >> down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds >> were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years >> later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains. >> >> I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me >> driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be >> called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the >> environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a >> normal car. >> >> /ramble mode off/ >> >> /John >> >> >> Bill Bow wrote: >>> >>> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G> >>> >>> bilbo >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *nico css >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM >>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I don't disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of >>> the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean >>> up where we picnic and don't waste water, prefer a cleaner running >>> engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly >>> believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when >>> we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the >>> environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that >>> we are influencing the globe's temperature is just not rational. If >>> you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, I'll join you if it >>> means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe >>> that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. >>> >>> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 >>> eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere >>> reaching up to 20,000' with the noise being heard up to 100 miles >>> away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100' tsunamis and boats rocked >>> in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of >>> the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away >>> and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic >>> kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and >>> sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all >>> over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was >>> blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and >>> artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash >>> that fell back to the earth covered about one million square >>> kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and >>> increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. >>> >>> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. >>> The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the >>> temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some >>> tourists call a pristine environment. >>> >>> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I >>> see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched >>> into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the >>> nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events >>> spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown >>> amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, >>> massive forest fires - and the planet deals with it, as it has been >>> for millions of years, then it's hard to swallow the propaganda of >>> global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting >>> with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more >>> blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? >>> >>> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for >>> responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, >>> my friend. You wouldn't part with five bucks if someone proposed this >>> as a business deal to you. You'd probably call the cops. >>> >>> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 >>> deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with >>> friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in >>> the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference >>> is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. >>> Never, ever in the 10 years I've been playing there several times per >>> week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the >>> courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000' down to the coast >>> and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. >>> If the wind blows (you've heard of the Santa Ana's, I'm sure) the >>> entire region's temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and >>> when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? >>> Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years >>> ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the >>> danger we're in? >>> >>> Nah. I'd stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This >>> aint mud. >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Steve @ Col-East >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM >>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >>> >>> I believe in the hoax. >>> >>> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the >>> environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, >>> manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all >>> contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at >>> the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing >>> dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The >>> fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the >>> temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. >>> >>> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I >>> guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem >>> sustainable. >>> >>> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. >>> But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. >>> >>> Green of Peak..... I like that..... >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> >>> >>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >>> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >>> >>> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, >>> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes: >>> >>> Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? >>> >>> Good Evening Nico, >>> >>> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! >>> >>> Happy Skies, >>> >>> Old Bob >>> AKA >>> Bob Siegfried >>> Ancient Aviator >>> Stearman N3977A >>> Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >>> Downers Grove, IL 60516 >>> 630 985-8503 >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> See what's >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref >> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.co >> >> m/Navigator?Commander-List* >>> >>> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> * * >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> * * >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >>> *http://forums.matronics.com* >>> * http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> ** >>> ** >>> ** >>> ** >>> ** >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >>> ** >>> *http://forums.matronics.com* >>> * * >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ > >


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    Time: 11:47:23 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: environment global warming
    Sure, I got it from an episode of South Park. Bill Bow wrote: > > "Toyota Pious" > I like that. May I use it? > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming > > > Nico, > > I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is > a huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. > Methane and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of > the stupidity of the politicians. > > I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the > US, try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash > when I see it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or > elephants (OK, not so many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle > as I can outside of flying, and generally try to be a > zero-environmental-impact resident. > > I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's > past. As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental > science classes in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly > is that it is a stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the > planet. The most we can do is make it unlivable for humans & several > other species. 200 million years after that, the Earth will once again > be beautiful, never noticing that we were ever here. It will also be > teeming with new species. > > Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to > clean itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% > clean and unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an > eye, geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then. > > A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing > battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't > log the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way > overblown. I live at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, > after the big SF earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF > down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds > were all that was left as far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years > later, and I look out my window and see lush, green, forested mountains. > > I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me > driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be > called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the > environment. I bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a > normal car. > > /ramble mode off/ > > /John > > > Bill Bow wrote: > >> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G> >> >> bilbo >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming >> >> Steve, >> >> I dont disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of >> the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean >> up where we picnic and dont waste water, prefer a cleaner running >> engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly >> believe that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when >> we are done or show care when we deal with what we do to the >> environment is a good and responsible thing to do. But to assume that >> we are influencing the globes temperature is just not rational. If >> you claim to be nave and believe in Santa Claus, Ill join you if it >> means being responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe >> that we can, are able, to affect climate change, is just not rational. >> >> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 >> eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere >> reaching up to 20,000 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles >> away. The August 1883 eruptions caused 100 tsunamis and boats rocked >> in South Africa, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of >> the explosions could be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away >> and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic >> kilometers of ash and toxic gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and >> sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosphere and spread it all >> over the planet, causing a five-year global acid rain. The sky was >> blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explosion and >> artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of ash >> that fell back to the earth covered about one million square >> kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and >> increasing the landmass of several islands in the area. >> >> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. >> The planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the >> temperatures, normalized the weather, and today that area is what some >> tourists call a pristine environment. >> >> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I >> see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched >> into the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the >> nineties, the Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events >> spewing millions of tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown >> amount of submarine fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, >> massive forest fires and the planet deals with it, as it has been >> for millions of years, then its hard to swallow the propaganda of >> global warming as anything but a hoax to blackmail us into parting >> with very large sums of money. I mean, where have you seen a more >> blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Kyoto treaty? >> >> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for >> responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, >> my friend. You wouldnt part with five bucks if someone proposed this >> as a business deal to you. Youd probably call the cops. >> >> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 >> deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with >> friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in >> the morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference >> is more than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. >> Never, ever in the 10 years Ive been playing there several times per >> week, has the temperature been the same at the house and at the >> courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 miles west and 1,000 down to the coast >> and the temperature would be vastly different again. On the same day. >> If the wind blows (youve heard of the Santa Anas, Im sure) the >> entire regions temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and >> when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? >> Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years >> ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine the >> danger were in? >> >> Nah. Id stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This >> aint mud. >> >> Nico >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Steve @ Col-East >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >> >> I believe in the hoax. >> >> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the >> environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, >> manufacturing, transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all >> contribute. 10,000 years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at >> the dawn of the industrial age. The rate of change is increasing >> dramatically as billions more people adopt our style of living. The >> fact that the amount of these gases in the atmosphere influence the >> temperature cannot seriously be in dispute. >> >> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I >> guess I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem >> sustainable. >> >> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. >> But if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try. >> >> Green of Peak..... I like that..... >> >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> >> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer >> >> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes: >> >> Surely, you dont buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob? >> >> Good Evening Nico, >> >> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn! >> >> Happy Skies, >> >> Old Bob >> AKA >> Bob Siegfried >> Ancient Aviator >> Stearman N3977A >> Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >> Downers Grove, IL 60516 >> 630 985-8503 >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> See what's >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> >> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.co > m/Navigator?Commander-List* > >> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> * * >> >> * * >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> * http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> ** >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >> ** >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> * * >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ >> >> > > > __________ NOD32 2521 (20070911) Information __________ > > >




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