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AMEN!!=C2- I just read where the head of NASA (they own the satellites tha
t measure temp, ocean levels etc) said in a press release that the is simply
no proof of "global warning".=C2- In fact, in a related piece , the recor
ded mid level temps have fallen .036 deg in the last 20 years!!=C2- That m
ay be why we hear less about "global warming" and more the phrase "Global cl
imate change??=C2-=C2-=C2- JB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
-
=C2-
Nico,=C2-
=C2-
I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is a hu
ge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. Methane a
nd a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the stupidity
of the politicians.=C2-
=C2-
I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the US, tr
y to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I see i
t, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not so ma
ny elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of flying,
and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident.=C2-
=C2-
I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's past.
As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science classes
in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a str
etch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The most we ca
n do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200 million ye
ars after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing that
we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species.=C2-
=C2-
Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to clean it
self. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean and unp
olluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye, geologicall
y. Hopefully there would still be whales left then.=C2-
=C2-
A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing bat
tles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't log the H
eadwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I live at t
he foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF earthquake, t
hey clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for lumber to rebuil
d San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left as far as the eye can
see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window and see lush, green,
forested mountains.=C2-
=C2-
I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me driv
ing a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be called t
he "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the environment. I bet the
carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car.=C2-
=C2-
/ramble mode off/=C2-
=C2-
/John=C2-
=C2-
Bill Bow wrote:=C2-
>=C2-
> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>=C2-
>=C2-
> bilbo=C2-
>=C2-
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> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commande
r-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css=C2-
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM=C2-
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com=C2-
> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming=C2-
>=C2-
> Steve,=C2-
>=C2-
> I don=99t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators
of > the environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean
> up where we picnic and don=99t waste water, prefer a cleaner running
> engine than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believ
e that no reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are do
ne or show care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good
and responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the glo
be=99s temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be na=C3
=AFve and believe in Santa Claus, I=99ll join you if it > means being
responsible custodians of the environment. But to believe > that we can, are
able, to affect climate change, is just not rational.=C2-
>=C2-
> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 > eruption
, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere > reaching up to 20,0
00=99 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The August 18
83 eruptions caused 100=99 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South Africa
, thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions cou
ld be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius, near
ly 3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and toxi
c gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the s
tratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year global
acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after the
explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amoun
t of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square > ki
lometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and > increasing t
he landmass of several islands in the area.=C2-
>=C2-
> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. > The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the > temperatures, no
rmalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call a pri
stine environment.=C2-
>=C2-
> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I > se
e the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched > into the
atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties, the Mt.
St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions of ton
s of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine fissures
spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires =93 and th
e planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then it
=99s hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a
hoax to blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean,
where have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or
, the Kyoto treaty?=C2-
>=C2-
> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for > respo
nsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, > my friend
. You wouldn=99t part with five bucks if someone proposed this > as a
business deal to you. You=99d probably call the cops.=C2-
>=C2-
> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 > d
eg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with > friends
about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in > the morning.
Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is more than 18 d
egrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever in the 10 year
s I=99ve been playing there several times per > week, has the temperat
ure been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 m
iles west and 1,000=99 down to the coast > and the temperature would b
e vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (you
=99ve heard of the Santa Ana=99s, I=99m sure) the > entire regio
n=99s temperature is hay-wire. Where do they measure and > when do the
y measure to come up with a definite 1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather
stations? Balloons? How did they do it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-
frame some fraudsters use to determine the > danger we=99re in?=C2-
>=C2-
> Nah. I=99d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. T
his > aint mud.=C2-
>=C2-
> Nico=C2-
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> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commande
r-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Steve @ Col-East=C2-
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM=C2-
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com=C2-
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer=C2-
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> I believe in the hoax.=C2-
>=C2-
> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the > en
vironment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, > manufacturing, tran
sportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000 years o
f stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the industrial age.
The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as billions more people ado
pt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of these gases in the atm
osphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be in dispute.=C2-
>=C2-
> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I > guess
I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem > sustaina
ble.=C2-
>=C2-
> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. > But
if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.=C2-
>=C2-
> Green of Peak..... I like that.....=C2-
>=C2-
> Steve=C2-
>=C2-
> ----- Original Message -----=C2-
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> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com>=C2-
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> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com=C2-
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>=C2-
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM=C2-
>=C2-
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer=C2-
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> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,=C2-
> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> writes:=C2-
>=C2-
> Surely, you don=99t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?=C2-
>=C2-
> Good Evening Nico,=C2-
>=C2-
> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!=C2-
>=C2-
> Happy Skies,=C2-
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> AKA=C2-
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| Subject: | environment global warming |
Ah! At last. Something from the list.
I posted some messages this week and for some reason they just
disappeared
into never land. I=92ll see if this one is posted.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
AMEN!! I just read where the head of NASA (they own the satellites that
measure temp, ocean levels etc) said in a press release that the is
simply
no proof of "global warning". In fact, in a related piece , the
recorded
mid level temps have fallen .036 deg in the last 20 years!! That may be
why
we hear less about "global warming" and more the phrase "Global climate
change?? JB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
Nico,
I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is
a
huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs.
Methane
and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the
stupidity
of the politicians.
I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the
US,
try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I
see
it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not
so
many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of
flying, and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident.
I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's
past.
As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science
classes
in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a
stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The
most we
can do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200
million
years after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing
that we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species.
Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to
clean
itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean
and
unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye,
geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then.
A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing
battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't
log
the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I
live
at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF
earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for
lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left
as
far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window
and
see lush, green, forested mountains.
I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me
driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be
called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the
environment. I
bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car.
/ramble mode off/
/John
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>
>
> bilbo
>
>
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>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?> ] *On Behalf Of
*nico
css
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming
>
> Steve,
>
> I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
> the
environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up
where we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running >
engine
than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that
no
reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or
show
care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and
responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the
globe=92s
temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be na=EFve and
believe in
Santa Claus, I=92ll join you if it > means being responsible custodians
of the
environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate
change, is just not rational.
>
> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 >
eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere >
reaching up
to 20,000=92 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The
August
1883 eruptions caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South
Africa,
thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions
could
be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius,
nearly
3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and
toxic
gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the
stratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year
global
acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after
the
explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The
amount
of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square >
kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and >
increasing
the landmass of several islands in the area.
>
> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. >
The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the >
temperatures,
normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call
a
pristine environment.
>
> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
>
see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched >
into
the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties,
the
Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions
of
tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine
fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires '
and
the planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then
it=92s
hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a
hoax to
blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where
have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or,
the
Kyoto treaty?
>
> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for >
responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, >
my
friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this >
as a
business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops.
>
> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
>
deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with >
friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in >
the
morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is
more
than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever
in
the 10 years I=92ve been playing there several times per > week, has the
temperature been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I
can
go 20 miles west and 1,000=92 down to the coast > and the temperature
would be
vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (you=92ve
heard
of the Santa Ana=92s, I=92m sure) the > entire region=92s temperature is
hay-wire.
Where do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a
definite
1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they
do
it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to
determine the > danger we=92re in?
>
> Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud.
This >
aint mud.
>
> Nico
>
>
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> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?> ] *On Behalf Of >
*Steve
@ Col-East
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> I believe in the hoax.
>
> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
>
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, >
manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000
years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the
industrial age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as
billions
more people adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of
these
gases in the atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be
in
dispute.
>
> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I >
guess
I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem >
sustainable.
>
> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. >
But
if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
>
> Green of Peak..... I like that.....
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com
<mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com?> >
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> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com
<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com?> >
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com
<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com?> > writes:
>
> Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
>
> Good Evening Nico,
>
> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
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| Subject: | My conversation with Rush Limbaugh |
Folks, I had an interesting conversation with Rush last Monday.
Some of you might be interested in it. If you believe it's appropriate,
please pass this on. We have already cut our first check for MCLEF and hope
to do it again at the end of November.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF-FtJq5-pM
Let me know what you think.
If you Google "rush Limbaugh civil war" it comes up second or third and you
will be able to hook up to his site with the transcript.
Thanks
Nico
PS. Some years ago someone on the list questioned whether I really exist.
Well, I guess, now the cat is out of the bag.
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| Subject: | Re: My conversation with Rush Limbaugh |
G'day Nico,
We knew you existed all this time...you just need to get along to the Oklahoma
Flyin next year!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
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| Subject: | Rush Limbaugh and me |
Folks, this list is quite unique as it has content that are almost
always of
profound interest to other members, oftentimes not about Commanders but
always about the group=92s interests. It=92s more like a fire-side chat
than a
technical list. And when people with common interests and passions sit
together and talk, many a profound thing is exchanged. We talk about
Commanders (first and foremost) but also about aviation in general,
aircraft
systems, engines, navaids, others=92 experiences, life loves, others who
had
an unequal number of take-offs and landings, politics, morals, and
sometimes
even religion. Those who are offended leave and they even leave with
decorum. Those who have remained with us over the years have forged an
invisible (to some) familial bond that is hard to describe, but wholly
unnecessary to define. Not everyone agrees with what is said but an
unspoken
rule of respect prevails without sowing discord or insult. It=92s indeed
unique, enjoyable, and a privilege.
Everyone who has been on this list for a while knows that I, like so
many
others, am a patriot of this country in the extreme and not ashamed to
proclaim that whenever I have a chance. But what does that mean? The
best I
can convey that to you, my family, is with a conversation I had with
Rush
Limbaugh last Monday. I didn=92t get to say everything I wanted, which
is
quite understandable considering the time issues with that medium, but
that
Rush gave me more than 6 minutes was in itself quite an achievement.
In this time of war, which I believe was perfectly justified and
necessary,
assistance to our troops is of paramount importance, calling all of us
to
find some manner in which we can express our gratitude. I chose the
manner
of my support as I described it to Rush. Some of you might be interested
in
it. If you believe it=92s appropriate, please pass this on. We have
already
cut our first check for MCLEF and hope to do it again at the end of
November.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF-FtJq5-pM
Let me know what you think.
Thanks
Nico
PS. Some years ago someone on the list questioned whether I really
exist.
Well, I guess, now the cat is out of the bag=85
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: environment global warming
Ah! At last. Something from the list.
I posted some messages this week and for some reason they just
disappeared
into never land. I=92ll see if this one is posted.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
AMEN!! I just read where the head of NASA (they own the satellites that
measure temp, ocean levels etc) said in a press release that the is
simply
no proof of "global warning". In fact, in a related piece , the
recorded
mid level temps have fallen .036 deg in the last 20 years!! That may be
why
we hear less about "global warming" and more the phrase "Global climate
change?? JB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
Nico,
I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is
a
huge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs.
Methane
and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the
stupidity
of the politicians.
I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the
US,
try to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I
see
it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not
so
many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of
flying, and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident.
I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's
past.
As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science
classes
in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a
stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The
most we
can do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200
million
years after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing
that we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species.
Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to
clean
itself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean
and
unpolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye,
geologically. Hopefully there would still be whales left then.
A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing
battles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't
log
the Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I
live
at the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF
earthquake, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for
lumber to rebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left
as
far as the eye can see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window
and
see lush, green, forested mountains.
I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me
driving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be
called the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the
environment. I
bet the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car.
/ramble mode off/
/John
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>
>
> bilbo
>
>
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> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?> ] *On Behalf Of
*nico
css
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming
>
> Steve,
>
> I don=92t disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of
> the
environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up
where we picnic and don=92t waste water, prefer a cleaner running >
engine
than one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that
no
reasonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or
show
care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and
responsible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the
globe=92s
temperature is just not rational. If > you claim to be na=EFve and
believe in
Santa Claus, I=92ll join you if it > means being responsible custodians
of the
environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate
change, is just not rational.
>
> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 >
eruption, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere >
reaching up
to 20,000=92 with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The
August
1883 eruptions caused 100=92 tsunamis and boats rocked > in South
Africa,
thousands of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions
could
be heard in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius,
nearly
3,000 miles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and
toxic
gasses, such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the
stratosphere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year
global
acid rain. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after
the
explosion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The
amount
of ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square >
kilometers drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and >
increasing
the landmass of several islands in the area.
>
> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. >
The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the >
temperatures,
normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call
a
pristine environment.
>
> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I
>
see the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched >
into
the atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties,
the
Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions
of
tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine
fissures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires '
and
the planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then
it=92s
hard to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a
hoax to
blackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where
have you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or,
the
Kyoto treaty?
>
> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for >
responsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, >
my
friend. You wouldn=92t part with five bucks if someone proposed this >
as a
business deal to you. You=92d probably call the cops.
>
> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2
>
deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with >
friends about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in >
the
morning. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is
more
than 18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever
in
the 10 years I=92ve been playing there several times per > week, has the
temperature been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I
can
go 20 miles west and 1,000=92 down to the coast > and the temperature
would be
vastly different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (you=92ve
heard
of the Santa Ana=92s, I=92m sure) the > entire region=92s temperature is
hay-wire.
Where do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a
definite
1 deg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they
do
it 1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to
determine the > danger we=92re in?
>
> Nah. I=92d stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud.
This >
aint mud.
>
> Nico
>
>
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> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?> ] *On Behalf Of >
*Steve
@ Col-East
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> I believe in the hoax.
>
> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the
>
environment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, >
manufacturing,
transportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000
years of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the
industrial age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as
billions
more people adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of
these
gases in the atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be
in
dispute.
>
> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I >
guess
I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem >
sustainable.
>
> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. >
But
if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
>
> Green of Peak..... I like that.....
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com
<mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com?> >
>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com
<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com?> >
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com
<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com?> > writes:
>
> Surely, you don=92t buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
>
> Good Evening Nico,
>
> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
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| Subject: | My conversation with Rush Limbaugh |
Hi Russel,
Having come from the Southern Hemisphere myself, I figured that you would
know. :-)
Looking south, the sun has to shine in your back, otherwise things never
really look right.
Oklahoma or bust!
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rlegg@austarnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: My conversation with Rush Limbaugh
G'day Nico,
We knew you existed all this time...you just need to get along to the
Oklahoma
Flyin next year!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
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