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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Steve @ Col-East)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (nico css)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: environment global warming (N395V)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: Rush Limbaugh and me (Bruce Campbell)
6. 12:26 PM - Re: Rush Limbaugh and me (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
7. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Catherine Chagnot)
8. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (nico css)
9. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! (Bill Bow)
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Subject: | List of Contributors |
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From: | "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2@sover.net> |
Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
Cate,
As John said, the strap seems to have taken care of the problem. I probably
should have said so. I would personally rather fly a high time Commander
flown conservatively than a low time one flown by someone ham-handed or in a
rough duty cycle.
Over time, and with use, fatigue and corrosion are the two big issues. Cabin
class Cessna twins, and Beech T-34's, are interesting case studies in
fatigue. The 'duty cycle' of some T-34's seems to have accelerated the
fatigue issue, and the big Cessna twins seem to wear out doing what it is
they do. Cape Air runs a lot of 414's(?) around here and these seem to get
somewhat dicey as they get into high times. There have been structural
issues, and one very interesting story. The manner in which an aircraft is
flown over its lifetime has much to do with its health.
Aside from the design boo-boo's in the Commander spar cap, the Commander
doesn't seem one especially prone to fatigue in the structure over time.
Although at 9000 hours, we've replaced a couple rivets in our caps and
cowling areas that have been working. My impression is that a 15,000 hour
Cessna twin, and a 15,000 Commander are very different critters. (And I like
some of the Cessna twins. Spent a lot of time as a kid running around in an
old straight tail '59 310C and a 320. Both survey aircraft, and fast. Speed
good.)
My apologies if you already knew all this stuff. I don't mean to impersonate
an engineer on the internet (though I will sometimes impersonate a liberal.)
Stirling engines as in Stirling cycle?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Chagnot" <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
puff!
> <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for that history on the Commander spar issue. I'd run across it
> before but hadn't been able to relocate it. Now the pdf is stored on my
> computer. Something to read while I'm over here working on Stirling
> engines in Korea away from my Commander.......
>
> Cate
>
> N4278S 680E
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
I heard that!!!
;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
puff!
Cate,
As John said, the strap seems to have taken care of the problem. I probably
should have said so. I would personally rather fly a high time Commander
flown conservatively than a low time one flown by someone ham-handed or in a
rough duty cycle.
Over time, and with use, fatigue and corrosion are the two big issues. Cabin
class Cessna twins, and Beech T-34's, are interesting case studies in
fatigue. The 'duty cycle' of some T-34's seems to have accelerated the
fatigue issue, and the big Cessna twins seem to wear out doing what it is
they do. Cape Air runs a lot of 414's(?) around here and these seem to get
somewhat dicey as they get into high times. There have been structural
issues, and one very interesting story. The manner in which an aircraft is
flown over its lifetime has much to do with its health.
Aside from the design boo-boo's in the Commander spar cap, the Commander
doesn't seem one especially prone to fatigue in the structure over time.
Although at 9000 hours, we've replaced a couple rivets in our caps and
cowling areas that have been working. My impression is that a 15,000 hour
Cessna twin, and a 15,000 Commander are very different critters. (And I like
some of the Cessna twins. Spent a lot of time as a kid running around in an
old straight tail '59 310C and a 320. Both survey aircraft, and fast. Speed
good.)
My apologies if you already knew all this stuff. I don't mean to impersonate
an engineer on the internet (though I will sometimes impersonate a liberal.)
Stirling engines as in Stirling cycle?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Chagnot" <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
puff!
> <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for that history on the Commander spar issue. I'd run across it
> before but hadn't been able to relocate it. Now the pdf is stored on my
> computer. Something to read while I'm over here working on Stirling
> engines in Korea away from my Commander.......
>
> Cate
>
> N4278S 680E
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
cate, or pay low price for a low time aircraft and put the differential in
seals, gaskets, hoses,fittings, etc that will not be in good shape from jus
t sitting waiting to be a "low time" aircraft that need a bunch of $'s thro
wn at it. mason 2001m
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:43:19 -0500> To: commander-list@matronics.com>
From: cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Subject: Commander-List: Re: RE: Re: Premiu
Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>> > Tylor,> > Thanks for the i
n depth answer. I thought as much. My plane has some > 5400 hours on it. I
was asking because of the guy looking for a low > time Commander and his ab
solute rejection of anything over 5000 hrs. > It brought to mind the inspec
tions due and what might be found. I > think you're right and anything in r
egular service and well looked > after is a better bet than just a 'low tim
====================> > >
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Subject: | Re: environment global warming |
> look at the homes the people built to
> live in.
>
As delineated here http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145697#145697
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Subject: | Rush Limbaugh and me |
Relative to the election/court corruption, take a look at what happened her
e in WA in 2004. I think you'll be shocked.
It was the proximate cause of the president firing some of the US Attys, al
so.
It would be nice to live in a democratic republic again, rather than a Demo
cratic Republic.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Rush Limbaugh and me
Nico,
Your call To Rush was the best summary of what is happening to my/our belov
ed United States. I only regret not having the presence of mind to have pu
t it so succinctly. These liberal activists are insane mad men and women
- how so many are fooled by their gibberish is amazing. I honestly think i
t is time to clean the House (of representatives) and the Senate too for th
at matter. We have created a political aristocracy without conscience or m
orality that is destroying our Nation. It is truly seditionist in my view.
These liberals are dangerous and must thrown from the steps of the Capital
as you would a drunk out of a saloon.
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Rush Limbaugh and me
Folks, this list is quite unique as it has content that are almost always o
f profound interest to other members, oftentimes not about Commanders but a
lways about the group's interests. It's more like a fire-side chat than a t
echnical list. And when people with common interests and passions sit toget
her and talk, many a profound thing is exchanged. We talk about Commanders
(first and foremost) but also about aviation in general, aircraft systems,
engines, navaids, others' experiences, life loves, others who had an unequa
l number of take-offs and landings, politics, morals, and sometimes even re
ligion. Those who are offended leave and they even leave with decorum. Thos
e who have remained with us over the years have forged an invisible (to som
e) familial bond that is hard to describe, but wholly unnecessary to define
. Not everyone agrees with what is said but an unspoken rule of respect pre
vails without sowing discord or insult. It's indeed unique, enjoyable, and
a privilege.
Everyone who has been on this list for a while knows that I, like so many o
thers, am a patriot of this country in the extreme and not ashamed to procl
aim that whenever I have a chance. But what does that mean? The best I can
convey that to you, my family, is with a conversation I had with Rush Limba
ugh last Monday. I didn't get to say everything I wanted, which is quite un
derstandable considering the time issues with that medium, but that Rush ga
ve me more than 6 minutes was in itself quite an achievement.
In this time of war, which I believe was perfectly justified and necessary,
assistance to our troops is of paramount importance, calling all of us to
find some manner in which we can express our gratitude. I chose the manner
of my support as I described it to Rush. Some of you might be interested in
it. If you believe it's appropriate, please pass this on. We have already
cut our first check for MCLEF and hope to do it again at the end of Novembe
r.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF-FtJq5-pM
Let me know what you think.
Thanks
Nico
PS. Some years ago someone on the list questioned whether I really exist. W
ell, I guess, now the cat is out of the bag...
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: environment global warming
Ah! At last. Something from the list.
I posted some messages this week and for some reason they just disappeared
into never land. I'll see if this one is posted.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
AMEN!! I just read where the head of NASA (they own the satellites that me
asure temp, ocean levels etc) said in a press release that the is simply no
proof of "global warning". In fact, in a related piece , the recorded mid
level temps have fallen .036 deg in the last 20 years!! That may be why w
e hear less about "global warming" and more the phrase "Global climate chan
ge?? JB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: environment global warming
to:john@vormbaum.com>>
Nico,
I have to say that I agree with you totally. The carbon offset theme is a h
uge scam. To repeat myself from yesterday, focusing on JUST CO2 vs. Methane
and a collection of other greenhouse gases is one indicator of the stupidi
ty of the politicians.
I too, living in northern CA, one of the most beautiful places in the US, t
ry to behave as if I weren't here. I don't litter, pick up trash when I see
it, recycle, don't waste water, don't hunt whales or elephants (OK, not so
many elephants here), live as "green" a lifestyle as I can outside of flyi
ng, and generally try to be a zero-environmental-impact resident.
I am with you 100% regarding the toxic natural events of the planet's past.
As someone who took a few (albeit informative) environmental science class
es in college, one thing that becomes clear pretty quickly is that it is a
stretch, and a conceit, to think that we can destroy the planet. The most w
e can do is make it unlivable for humans & several other species. 200 milli
on years after that, the Earth will once again be beautiful, never noticing
that we were ever here. It will also be teeming with new species.
Oceanographers at Scripps have been studying the ocean's ability to clean i
tself. If humans disappeared tomorrow, the oceans would be 100% clean and u
npolluted in only 3,000 years. That is the merest blink of an eye, geologic
ally. Hopefully there would still be whales left then.
A little anecdote here in norCal: For many years there have been ongoing ba
ttles about logging & clearcutting. While I agree that we shouldn't log the
Headwaters Forest, I think the logging argument is way overblown. I live a
t the foot of the Santa Cruz Mountains. In 1907, after the big SF earthquak
e, they clearcut the ENTIRE RANGE, from SF down to Salinas, for lumber to r
ebuild San Francisco. Stumps & weeds were all that was left as far as the e
ye can see. A mere 100 years later, and I look out my window and see lush,
green, forested mountains.
I'll continue to be environmentally responsible, but you won't catch me dri
ving a Toyota Prius (based on the owners around here, they should be called
the "Toyota Pious") and thinking I'm the savior of the environment. I bet
the carbon footprint of Prius manufacture is 3x a normal car.
/ramble mode off/
/John
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> Wow! I thought you lived in California Nico. <G>
>
> bilbo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-
list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.
com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?>] *On Behalf Of *nico
css
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:03 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Commander-List: environment global warming
>
> Steve,
>
> I don't disagree with the notion that we ought to be conservators of > th
e environment. I pick up behind me when I accidentally litter, clean > up w
here we picnic and don't waste water, prefer a cleaner running > engine tha
n one that spews dirt into the air and so on. I firmly > believe that no re
asonable person would disagree that cleaning up when > we are done or show
care when we deal with what we do to the > environment is a good and respon
sible thing to do. But to assume that > we are influencing the globe's temp
erature is just not rational. If > you claim to be na=EFve and believe in S
anta Claus, I'll join you if it > means being responsible custodians of the
environment. But to believe > that we can, are able, to affect climate cha
nge, is just not rational.
>
> Take the Krakatoa eruptions for instance: Years before the 1883 > eruptio
n, the volcano regularly spewed ash into the atmosphere > reaching up to 20
,000' with the noise being heard up to 100 miles > away. The August 1883 er
uptions caused 100' tsunamis and boats rocked > in South Africa, thousands
of miles away because of them. The sound of > the explosions could be heard
in Australia more than 2,000 miles away > and in Mauritius, nearly 3,000 m
iles away. It shot more than 20 cubic > kilometers of ash and toxic gasses,
such as sulfur dioxide and > sulfuric acid, 50 miles up into the stratosph
ere and spread it all > over the planet, causing a five-year global acid ra
in. The sky was > blood red and the moon was blue for years after the explo
sion and > artists painted red sunsets in Sweden and Europe. The amount of
ash > that fell back to the earth covered about one million square > kilome
ters drastically altering the ocean floor in the area and > increasing the
landmass of several islands in the area.
>
> In 1888, five years after the event, everything was back to normal. > The
planet cleaned the air, cleaned the ocean, normalized the > temperatures,
normalized the weather, and today that area is what some > tourists call a
pristine environment.
>
> Steve, I try to be rational about this global warming thing, but if I > s
ee the amount of soot, acid and pollution Saddam Hussein launched > into th
e atmosphere after setting those oil fields on fire in the > nineties, the
Mt. St. Helens eruption, all the other natural events > spewing millions of
tons of toxic material into the air; an unknown > amount of submarine fiss
ures spewing toxic magma into the oceans, > massive forest fires - and the
planet deals with it, as it has been > for millions of years, then it's har
d to swallow the propaganda of > global warming as anything but a hoax to b
lackmail us into parting > with very large sums of money. I mean, where hav
e you seen a more > blatant fraud than the carbon-offset scheme? Or, the Ky
oto treaty?
>
> I say again, I love the planet as you do, and I am an activist for > resp
onsible stewardship of resources and life, but this is a swindle, > my frie
nd. You wouldn't part with five bucks if someone proposed this > as a busin
ess deal to you. You'd probably call the cops.
>
> One more thing. If they say that the temperatures would rise by 1 or 2 >
deg, how would they measure that? Think about it. I pay tennis with > frien
ds about 10 miles from where I live. We like to play at 7 AM in > the morni
ng. Some mornings in the winter, the temperature difference > is more than
18 degrees between the house and the tennis courts. > Never, ever in the 10
years I've been playing there several times per > week, has the temperatur
e been the same at the house and at the > courts. Ten miles? I can go 20 mi
les west and 1,000' down to the coast > and the temperature would be vastly
different again. On the same day. > If the wind blows (you've heard of the
Santa Ana's, I'm sure) the > entire region's temperature is hay-wire. Wher
e do they measure and > when do they measure to come up with a definite 1 d
eg difference? > Satellites? Weather stations? Balloons? How did they do it
1,000 years > ago which is the time-frame some fraudsters use to determine
the > danger we're in?
>
> Nah. I'd stay with reason, thank you. I know mud when I see mud. This > a
int mud.
>
> Nico
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-
list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.
com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?>] *On Behalf Of > *St
eve @ Col-East
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:40 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> I believe in the hoax.
>
> I find the hostility toward the notion that we might be affecting the > e
nvironment in a dramatic fashion very odd. Agriculture, > manufacturing, tr
ansportation, heating and cooling, recreation all > contribute. 10,000 year
s of stable CO2 levels, begin a sharp rise at > the dawn of the industrial
age. The rate of change is increasing > dramatically as billions more peopl
e adopt our style of living. The > fact that the amount of these gases in t
he atmosphere influence the > temperature cannot seriously be in dispute.
>
> Oil production has likely peaked. Consumption continues to rise. I > gues
s I'm naive(I still believe in Santa Claus), but this doesn't seem > sustai
nable.
>
> I love big old radials, belching steam locomotives, and big blocks. > But
if day to day I can make a little difference, I'll try.
>
> Green of Peak..... I like that.....
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* BobsV35B@aol.com<mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com> <mailto:BobsV35B@aol.co
m<mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com?>>
>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com?
>>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:22 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Engine Analyzer
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2007 3:07:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> <mailto:nico@cy
bersuperstore.com<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com?>> writes:
>
> Surely, you don't buy into the hoax, do you Old Bob?
>
> Good Evening Nico,
>
> What hoax is involved? I am always willing to learn!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
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Subject: | Re: Rush Limbaugh and me |
For what ever it is worth. We need to elect some Americans to congress and
the White House and throw these other idiots ( career politicians) out of our
country, which they have grossly abused with their own person agenda`s. (ie.
GREED and lack of love for this Country) Just got back from Peru and I can
tell you as a result of all of my foreign travels. This is the best country in
the world and we need to do every thing possible to KEEP it this way. GOD
BLESS AMERICA& WE NEED YOUR HELP! Some of the things congress and the MEDIA
have said and done would have been TREASON and penalty by DEATH during WW2 .
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Subject: | Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
Steve,
Stirling as in Stirling Cycle, yep....
We have a design (and a production engine) for a 5 HP biomass fired
(sawdust, rice husks, etc.) Stirling engine meant for developing
countries. I'm over here trying to get a tech transfer project going
to mass produce our design. I haven't wanted to comment on this whole
global warming environment thing but I do believe that world wide
demand for fossil fuels, especially oil, has increased to outstrip
supply. About 1.5 Billion Chinese, 1 billion Indians and then add the
rest, coming on line, driving cars, running fridges, etc and it's no
wonder the price of oil isn't higher.
By using alternative fuels for applications that don't require
extremely high energy density fuels we can possibly save the high
energy stuff (gasoline) for applications that have no
alternative....AIRPLANES!
Drive an electric car, heat with wood, save the gas for the planes......
Cate
N4278S 680E
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Subject: | Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
puff!
Hi Cate,
As someone who's been at the center of some controversy here, I'd like to
(carefully) comment on what you said. I believe you are absolutely right
about oil demand that would (or already has) outstrip supply. I just saw
this morning that the price of oil dropped by $2 due to the expected oil
demand for the next year has been adjusted downwards due to the high price
of crude. It just goes to show that capitalist price dynamics do work.
Finding alternative energy sources at the ground level, as you describe what
you are trying to do with low intensity energy sources, is a very bold,
unique move. I hope you get 3rd-world countries to sign up on the idea.
In the 50's my dad had a Stirling engine, single cylinder (I don't know if
they are available with more than one), upright with a long cylinder
pointing downwards with the piston operating in the top part, and we could
get it to really rev up by making a small newspaper fire under the bottom
part of the protruding cylinder.
It was much later that I learned it was a Stirling engine - always wondered
if that thing wouldn't be the closest to perpetual motion when used in the
hot climates of the world.
Right now, I hope that our elected officials would have the 'pair' to push
hard enough to get us utilizing our own oil deposits before the Chinese and
Russians have poked too many holes in the earth's core around our own
shores. Our planes are going to fly on good ole Jet A, or 100 for quite a
number of years to come.
I have a personal question for you: what's a gal doing messing with engines
and planes at the engineering level? ;-)
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catherine
Chagnot
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
puff!
<cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
Steve,
Stirling as in Stirling Cycle, yep....
We have a design (and a production engine) for a 5 HP biomass fired
(sawdust, rice husks, etc.) Stirling engine meant for developing
countries. I'm over here trying to get a tech transfer project going
to mass produce our design. I haven't wanted to comment on this whole
global warming environment thing but I do believe that world wide
demand for fossil fuels, especially oil, has increased to outstrip
supply. About 1.5 Billion Chinese, 1 billion Indians and then add the
rest, coming on line, driving cars, running fridges, etc and it's no
wonder the price of oil isn't higher.
By using alternative fuels for applications that don't require
extremely high energy density fuels we can possibly save the high
energy stuff (gasoline) for applications that have no
alternative....AIRPLANES!
Drive an electric car, heat with wood, save the gas for the planes......
Cate
N4278S 680E
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Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff! |
Very well put,,,mostly small words. I like that.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
It's like wanting to marry at age 50 and looking for a virgin.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Stay clear of this one, there certainly appears to be an attitude problem,
not sure if he even deserves to own a Commander.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "BradG27Z" <BradG27Z@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:41 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream puff!
>
> I am not interested in your 10,000 or 18,000 hour airframe. I am not
> interested in an aircraft with a damage history.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144568#144568
>
>
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