Commander-List Digest Archive

Wed 11/14/07


Total Messages Posted: 17



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Catherine Chagnot)
     2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Catherine Chagnot)
     3. 05:19 AM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (nico css)
     4. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (nico css)
     5. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Steve at Col-East)
     6. 09:06 AM - Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (John Vormbaum)
     7. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
     8. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (John Vormbaum)
     9. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Catherine Chagnot)
    10. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
    11. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    12. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (Steve at Col-East)
    13. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right (Catherine Chagnot)
    14. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    15. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right (nico css)
    16. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (John Vormbaum)
    17. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream (John Vormbaum)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:41:23 AM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Yo Nico, Did you hear that they discovered oil in South Africa? What do you mean "what's a gal doing all this engineering stuff?" I suppose you might think that 'gals' shouldn't be flying airplanes........ Gimme a break! Under Van de Merwe's Car? Cate


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:06:12 AM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Hey Nico, Don't take me too seriously.......:-) I'm a mechanical engineer and have been working in the field of Stirling Engines for 30 years. Flying for some 34 years. I grew up in South Africa, though born and will always be American....I watched your video and did I detect a South African accent?...... Cate N4278S 680E God fearin' Gun totin' Airplane flyin' Liberal


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:19:51 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Hahahaha. You know about van der Merwe, huh? I had to ask about the gal stuff, you know. Truth be told, I believe women are great engineers. Well, at least some of them. Just like some men are not great engineers. I think that it was a woman who designed the front-axle of the car. It might be an oldwives' tale (pardon the pun) but I remember my dad telling us that engineers couldn't figure out how to prevent the early engine's crankshaft from breaking at higher RPM's. They made everything bigger and stronger, but it still flew apart until one of the women who brought them tea suggested they make the conrods and crankshaft counter weights smaller and lighter. That worked. So, lore or not, women have played significant roles in all aspects of the traditional 'men-only' professions. But flying airplanes? (That one is for the oil in South Africa prank). Just kidding, Cate. Women make great pilots. I mean who would argue with Patty Wagstaff or Amelia Earhart. See? I can be reasonable. Nico PS. How do you know about van der Merwe? PPS. I'd love to get my hands on a Stirling engine again. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Chagnot Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:40 AM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Yo Nico, Did you hear that they discovered oil in South Africa? What do you mean "what's a gal doing all this engineering stuff?" I suppose you might think that 'gals' shouldn't be flying airplanes........ Gimme a break! Under Van de Merwe's Car? Cate


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:28:52 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    No kidding? Where in South Africa? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Chagnot Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Hey Nico, Don't take me too seriously.......:-) I'm a mechanical engineer and have been working in the field of Stirling Engines for 30 years. Flying for some 34 years. I grew up in South Africa, though born and will always be American....I watched your video and did I detect a South African accent?...... Cate N4278S 680E God fearin' Gun totin' Airplane flyin' Liberal


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:53:42 AM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Cate, That's just what I've been thinking. Get everyone off gas so those of us that want to burn it for recreation can! Once a motorhead, always a motorhead. I'm trying hard to warm up to electric vehicles, but it's hard to even stay awake in a Prius. Do heat with wood, and trying to enjoy smaller fast cars when not driving the pickup. How big a of a temperature differential is required to get any power out of your little Stirling? Great idea to produce an engine that can use cheap readily indigenous fuel for power. Is the concept scale-able? Steve P.S. Gun toting for some time. When you piss off both the far left and the far right at the same time, it might come in handy if hugs don't work and the potato canon jams. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Chagnot" <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> > > Hey Nico, > > Don't take me too seriously.......:-) > > I'm a mechanical engineer and have been working in the field of Stirling > Engines for 30 years. Flying for some 34 years. I grew up in South Africa, > though born and will always be American....I watched your video and did I > detect a South African accent?...... > > Cate > > N4278S 680E > God fearin' > Gun totin' > Airplane flyin' > Liberal > > >


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:06:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Steve, I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto industry. If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very exciting electric cars on the horizon. /John PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes me welcome on neither side of the fence. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:38:10 AM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    John, As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance? Moe N680RR 680F(p) -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream Steve, I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto industry. If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very exciting electric cars on the horizon. /John PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes me welcome on neither side of the fence. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:53:23 AM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy for years to come. The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy range. Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. /J Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > > John, > > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance? > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > > Steve, > > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto > industry. > > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very > exciting electric cars on the horizon. > > /John > > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes > me welcome on neither side of the fence. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 > > >


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:23:24 AM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Nico, Johannesburg. I lived there in the sixties and early seventies. Who else would know about Van de Merwe? There are a number of sites out there where one can buy a Stirling engine. American Stirling is one ( http://www.stirlingengine.com/ ) if you're interested. Almost everything available is basically for demonstration only. There are a few companies out there working on serious engines but few have made it to production. You said your father had one? Can you remember what type it was? There were a number of companies making Stirling engines for low power applications like pumping water and Kerosene fans made in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Sadly, few of these engines still exist. Cate N4278S 680E


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:55:37 AM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    John, Our industry, much like the tobacco industry is in a slow decline, and has been for some time. Several years ago nearly every car at the race track or strip had eight pistons, eight spark plugs and on and on. Now most have only four. Over one half of our customers who once owned independent garages have bit the dust in the last 10 years. Since I am retiring next month I am not as concerned as I once was. The hybrids will be very high maintenance as they get older. They will require a different skill set than the average mechanic has today. Try doing a brake job on a car that uses alternators as a part of the braking system. Battery disposal will be challenging. In 1964 (my first year in the racing business) the death of the internal combustion engine was announced. Andy Granatelli had almost won Indy with the Novi and Chrysler was driving the turbines around and loaning them to people. Forty three years later........ My understanding is that GM called in the EV1 cars for much the same reasons that the Starship planes were purchased quietly and shredded. If you want to feel some good honest acceleration ride in a Pious that has the electrical (instant torque with a slider clutch installed)and gasoline engine both running at the same time (a minor modification) ...the hot rodding spirit is still alive. Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy for years to come. The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy range. Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. /J Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: <moe@rosspistons.com> > > John, > > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance? > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > > Steve, > > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto > industry. > > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very > exciting electric cars on the horizon. > > /John > > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes > me welcome on neither side of the fence. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 > > >


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:58:14 AM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right
    cream cate, were you not the one parked next to me at the flyin? mason 680Fp 200 1M > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:20:29 -0500> To: commander-list@matronics.com> From: cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Subject: Commander-List: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE : Re: Premium dollar for the right cream> > --> Commander-List message post ed by: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>> > Nico,> > Johannesbur g. I lived there in the sixties and early seventies. Who > else would know about Van de Merwe?> > There are a number of sites out there where one can buy a Stirling > engine. American Stirling is one> ( http://www.stirlingeng ine.com/ ) if you're interested. Almost > everything available is basically for demonstration only. There are a > few companies out there working on s erious engines but few have made > it to production.> > You said your fathe r had one? Can you remember what type it was? > There were a number of comp anies making Stirling engines for low > power applications like pumping wat er and Kerosene fans made in the > late 1800s and early 1900s. Sadly, few o ======================> > >


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:26:30 PM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    John, Yeah, there do seem to be some interesting electric cars coming down the pike. I did see some youtube video with something called a killacycle (or something like that). Jeepers, creepers it was fast. I was pessimistic about the future of tinkering at one time, but I'm not sure you can kill the hotrod spirit. Seems you can't keep good tinkerers down, and the amount of wacky home grown electric stuff is amazing. The low end torque of the electric motors is astonishing. I think it was the Sonex homebuilt guys that are playing with an electric powerplant for a light aircraft. That would be a pretty neat milestone if they get any kind of time aloft. We're a little ways away from plugging in a Commander overnight to recharge, but who knows what the future holds. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > Steve, > > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. > That opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The > auto maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one > factor in the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from > the auto industry. > > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very > exciting electric cars on the horizon. > > /John > > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for > a libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which > makes me welcome on neither side of the fence. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 > > >


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:23:38 PM PST US
    From: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>
    Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right
    Mason, I was parked next to you. If you don't see me on these lists for a couple of days it's because I'm leaving Korea soon to head home.. Cate N4278S


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:37:15 PM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the
    right cc, have a safe journey. i enjoyed meeting you look forward to seeing you a gain.gmc > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:22:21 -0500> To: commander-list@matronics.com> From: cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Subject: Commander-List: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re : RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Catherine Chagnot <cchagnot@ultimateair.com>> > Mason,> > I was parked next to you. If you don't see me on these lists for a > couple of days it' => > >


    Message 15


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:01:39 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the
    right Let us know when you are back, Cate -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Chagnot Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Commander-List: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Premium dollar for the right <cchagnot@ultimateair.com> Mason, I was parked next to you. If you don't see me on these lists for a couple of days it's because I'm leaving Korea soon to head home.. Cate N4278S


    Message 16


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:02:55 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Moe, Congrats on your upcoming retirement! I hope you get to do lots of flying, with all that extra time....come visit northern CA! I can see how there has been a decline in your industry. I do think that technology will change in large part how transportation will work. I just hope that someone develops a fuel source or motor that will revolutionize aviation. Jet-A can't last forever, and AvGas will disappear long before Jet-A. I'm pretty sure GM had valid reason to recall the EV1's. They didn't want to support them, and yes, battery disposal & replacement was going to be a difficult prospect if they continued to make the cars. I had no idea there was a way to make a Pious get out of its own way. I'll have to see that in action. Cheers, /John Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > > John, > > Our industry, much like the tobacco industry is in a slow decline, and has > been for some time. Several years ago nearly every car at the race track or > strip had eight pistons, eight spark plugs and on and on. Now most have > only four. Over one half of our customers who once owned independent > garages have bit the dust in the last 10 years. Since I am retiring next > month I am not as concerned as I once was. The hybrids will be very high > maintenance as they get older. They will require a different skill set than > the average mechanic has today. Try doing a brake job on a car that uses > alternators as a part of the braking system. Battery disposal will be > challenging. > > In 1964 (my first year in the racing business) the death of the internal > combustion engine was announced. Andy Granatelli had almost won Indy with > the Novi and Chrysler was driving the turbines around and loaning them to > people. Forty three years later........ > > My understanding is that GM called in the EV1 cars for much the same reasons > that the Starship planes were purchased quietly and shredded. > > If you want to feel some good honest acceleration ride in a Pious that has > the electrical (instant torque with a slider clutch installed)and gasoline > engine both running at the same time (a minor modification) ...the hot > rodding spirit is still alive. > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > > Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & > Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no > air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires > essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced. > A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone. > Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric > overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so > your piston business would be healthy for years to come. > > The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric > Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran > them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all > lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all > conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the > world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy > range. > > Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered > cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. > > /J > > Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > >> > <moe@rosspistons.com> > >> John, >> >> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance? >> >> Moe >> N680RR >> 680F(p) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >> Vormbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. >> > That > >> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto >> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor >> > in > >> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto >> industry. >> >> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be >> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to >> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the >> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just >> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and >> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very >> exciting electric cars on the horizon. >> >> /John >> >> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun >> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for >> > a > >> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes >> me welcome on neither side of the fence. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


    Message 17


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:06:20 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
    Steve, I know the car you're talking about. It's based on I think a british kit/racing car that was originally powered by a gasoline engine. Was it the skeleton-looking car? 2-seater? If so, the guy who built the electric version lives here in Palo Alto...and man, that thing is FAST. If someone does develop a battery where we can plug in our commanders overnight, I'm screwed.....it took 5 years on the waiting list to get a taxi-through parking spot. Can you imagine how long I'll have to be on the list to get a taxi-through spot next to an electrical outlet? The electric airplane they're testing, the Cessna, I think has ~30 min. flight time. I'm also sure it has nothing for a useful load....but I'm still hoping. /J Steve at Col-East wrote: > <steve2@sover.net> > > John, > > Yeah, there do seem to be some interesting electric cars coming down > the pike. I did see some youtube video with something called a > killacycle (or something like that). Jeepers, creepers it was fast. > > I was pessimistic about the future of tinkering at one time, but I'm > not sure you can kill the hotrod spirit. Seems you can't keep good > tinkerers down, and the amount of wacky home grown electric stuff is > amazing. The low end torque of the electric motors is astonishing. > > I think it was the Sonex homebuilt guys that are playing with an > electric powerplant for a light aircraft. That would be a pretty neat > milestone if they get any kind of time aloft. > > We're a little ways away from plugging in a Commander overnight to > recharge, but who knows what the future holds. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:06 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > >> <john@vormbaum.com> >> >> Steve, >> >> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning >> wrenches. That opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car >> takes over. The auto maintenance industry would essentially end, >> which is probably one factor in the amount of resistance (ha!) >> electric cars are getting from the auto industry. >> >> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should >> be looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's >> not to like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or >> check out the ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a >> concept car, I just saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did >> 320 kph on the track, and its acceleration was far better than a >> Subaru WRX. There are some very exciting electric cars on the horizon. >> >> /John >> >> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the >> gun boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political >> party for a libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND >> pro-choice, which makes me welcome on neither side of the fence. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   commander-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list
  • Browse Commander-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --