---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/10/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 PM - Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs (KenWHyde@aol.com) 2. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: electric car (yourtcfg@aol.com) 3. 07:38 PM - Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs (Robert Feldtman) 4. 08:22 PM - Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:15 PM PST US From: KenWHyde@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs I'll take 6 ken hyde **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: electric car From: yourtcfg@aol.com That is exactly what I was eluding to in my post.? I don't think you ca gain any real round unless you produce the electricity from a non polluting nuke plant.? jb The argument for electric cars has to take in to account how the electricity is produced and at what cost. The cars themselves are non polluting but if you're using a coal fired plant to produce the electricity then you're just shifting the pollution elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?). -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 8:45 pm Subject: Commander-List: Re: electric car Hi Guys, I made a presentation last Thursday in Cheonju, South Korea at a renewable energy conference. One of the presenters was from a lab in Germany that has really advanced development of direct methane fuel cells. >From what I can remember about the presentation the cost is running around $8000/kilowatt for 1 to 2 kilowatt models and they're still having problems with life of the fuel cell with recent versions running around 2000 hours before the cell has to be replaced. Advancements are bound to come but they weren't addressing the cost of fuel production, nor it's distribution. I can't remember exactly what the efficiencies were but I think they're in the low 20% range if that. I think it'll be awhile before we see practical fuel cells powering vehicles. Solar cells have bottomed out around $3 /watt and once you add the installation and electronics cost it's around $6/watt. The argument for electric cars has to take in to account how the electricity is produced and at what cost. The cars themselves are non polluting but if you're using a coal fired plant to produce the electricity then you're just shifting the pollution elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?). If you use smaller, localized biomass burning power plants to produce the electricity then not only do you have 'net-zero' CO2 production (what you put into the atmosphere comes out to grow the plant material) but you can take advantage of the reject heat of power production in a CHP cycle to increase your overall efficiency of energy usage. -------- Cate N4278S 680E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151404#151404 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:06 PM PST US From: "Robert Feldtman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs Nico - Just ordered your 6 mug faith set. Plan on my ordering 4 commander mugs. Probably the genereic. Let us know and how to order when they are ready. thanks bobf On 12/8/07, nico css wrote: > > I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some > requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be > prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best > (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells m e > they should be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictur es, > what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. > Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on > a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the > product. Say a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones. > > Thanks > Nico > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Myron Ashley > *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs > > I would take 6. > Myron Ashley > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* nico css > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs > > If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a > couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed cost s > etc. Let me know, guys. > > > Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice. > > > Nico > > www.faithmugs.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs > > > After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site > looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs wi th > sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful. > > > The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of > peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised > Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or > evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found > out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had > some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent gu y > that he is. > > > I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any > political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a > Commander on them? > > > Happy Hanukkah! > > > Steve > > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co m/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co m/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com* > ======================== * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:52 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs Thanks, Bob. I'll let you all know when that's ready. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs Nico - Just ordered your 6 mug faith set. Plan on my ordering 4 commander mugs. Probably the genereic. Let us know and how to order when they are ready. thanks bobf On 12/8/07, nico css wrote: I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Myron Ashley Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs I would take 6. Myron Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys. Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice. Nico www.faithmugs.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful. The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy that he is. I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a Commander on them? Happy Hanukkah! 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