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Tue 12/11/07


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: electric car (David Owens)
     2. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: electric car (David Owens)
     3. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: electric car (David Owens)
     4. 02:11 PM - Re: electric car (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
     5. 02:48 PM - Re: electric car (John Vormbaum)
     6. 06:55 PM - Re: electric car (David Fitzgerald)
     7. 07:33 PM - Re: electric car ()
     8. 07:47 PM - Re: electric car (John Vormbaum)
     9. 08:12 PM - Expensive items (David Fitzgerald)
    10. 08:34 PM - Re: electric car ()
    11. 08:38 PM - Re: Expensive items (John Vormbaum)
    12. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: electric car (yourtcfg@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:56:13 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: electric car
    I bet if you put about 2000 onions in the trunk, it could give a semi-charge in case of emergency... :)... Of course then if you had a need you would just haft to add some gatorade . If everyone drove golf carts, it would cut down on the global warming fallacy... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 10:39:46 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: electric car
    Also... Joe Horn For President. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 10:47:42 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: electric car
    Also... Remember Dr. John Christy, professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Alabama at Huntsville said: "I remember as a college student at the first Earth Day being told it was a certainty that by the year 2000, the world would be starving and out of energy. Such doomsday prophecies grabbed headlines, but have proven to be completely false." "Similar pronouncements today about catastrophes due to human-induced climate change," he continued, "sound all too familiar and all too exaggerated to me as someone who actually produces and analyzes climate information." The media, of course, like the exaggerated claims. Most are based on computer models that purport to predict future climates. But computer models are lousy at predicting climate because water vapor and cloud effects cause changes that computers fail to predict. In the mid-1970s, computer models told us we should prepare for global cooling. Scientists tell reporters that computer models should "be viewed with great skepticism." Well, why aren't they? The fundamentalist doom mongers also ignore scientists who say the effects of global warming may be benign. Harvard astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas said added CO2 in the atmosphere may actually benefit the world because more CO2 helps plants grow. Warmer winters would give farmers a longer harvest season, and might end the droughts in the Sahara Desert. Why don't we hear about this part of the global warming argument? "It's the money!" said Dr. Baliunas. "Twenty-five billion dollars in government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming. If scientists and researchers were coming out releasing reports that global warming has little to do with man, and most to do with just how the planet works, there wouldn't be as much money to study it." By JOHN STOSSEL April 20, 2007


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    Time: 02:11:21 PM PST US
    From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
    Subject: electric car
    Gents, Since the start of the motor car slightly over 3,000 companies have been established in the United States to manufacture automobiles. The three that remain (Ford, GM, and Chrysler) are all a little shakey now. Telsa doesn't have a very good chance. Regards, Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: electric car Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars RIP. Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates to 70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for 250 miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few. /J Victor C. Rupert wrote: > If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill > your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4 > race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes ) > > http://www.teslamotors.com/ > > Check it out, > > Victor > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Steve W <mailto:steve2@sover.net> > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > Jim, > > I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the > electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas > powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a > given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever > that energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a > 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on > cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something > other than a stock Pious. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* yourtcfg@aol.com <mailto:yourtcfg@aol.com> > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we > get most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they > would let us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. > Na, I dont think even then :-) jb > > Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas > powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com> > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > <john@vormbaum.com <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>> > > Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & > Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, > no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires > essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being > replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would > essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining > going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take > 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy > for years to come. > > The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the > Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them > back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of > the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, > plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car > didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but > had some issues including crappy range. > > Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas > powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. > > /J > > Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com <mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>> > > > > John, > > > > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. > Resistance? > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > 680F(p) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Of > John > > Vormbaum > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream > > > <john@vormbaum.com <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>> > > > > Steve, > > > > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning > wrenches. That > > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. > The auto > > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably > one factor in > > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from > the auto > > industry. > > > > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you > should be > > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ > What's not to > > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check > out the > > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept > car, I just > > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the > track, and > > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are > some very > > exciting electric cars on the horizon. > > > > /John > > > > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on > all the gun > > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political > party for a > > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, > which makes > > me welcome on neither side of the fence. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao lcmp00050000000003>! > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > > *


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    Time: 02:48:39 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: electric car
    At $98k/each, they'll sell about 100 of them to local venture capitalists and wealthy tree-huggers, and that'll probably be it. If it starts looking good for them, the big 3 & the oil companies will probably find a way to put them out of business. Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: > > Gents, > > Since the start of the motor car slightly over 3,000 companies have been > established in the United States to manufacture automobiles. The three that > remain (Ford, GM, and Chrysler) are all a little shakey now. Telsa doesn't > have a very good chance. > > Regards, > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:49 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: electric car > > > Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars RIP. > Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates to > 70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for 250 > miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few. > > /J > > Victor C. Rupert wrote: > >> If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill >> your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4 >> race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes ) >> >> http://www.teslamotors.com/ >> >> Check it out, >> >> Victor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Steve W <mailto:steve2@sover.net> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream >> >> Jim, >> >> I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the >> electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas >> powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a >> given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever >> that energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a >> 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on >> cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something >> other than a stock Pious. >> >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* yourtcfg@aol.com <mailto:yourtcfg@aol.com> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream >> >> It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we >> get most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they >> would let us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. >> Na, I dont think even then :-) jb >> >> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas >> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com> >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream >> >> <john@vormbaum.com <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>> >> >> Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & >> Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, >> no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires >> essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being >> replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would >> essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining >> going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take >> 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy >> for years to come. >> >> The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the >> Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them >> back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of >> the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, >> plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car >> didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but >> had some issues including crappy range. >> >> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas >> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway. >> >> /J >> >> Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: >> Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com <mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>> >> > >> > John, >> > >> > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. >> Resistance? >> > >> > Moe >> > N680RR >> > 680F(p) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com> >> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Of >> John >> > Vormbaum >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM >> > To: commander-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> >> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream >> > >> <john@vormbaum.com <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>> >> > >> > Steve, >> > >> > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning >> wrenches. That >> > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. >> The auto >> > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably >> one factor in >> > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from >> the auto >> > industry. >> > >> > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you >> should be >> > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ >> What's not to >> > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check >> out the >> > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept >> car, I just >> > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the >> track, and >> > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are >> some very >> > exciting electric cars on the horizon. >> > >> > /John >> > >> > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on >> all the gun >> > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political >> party for a >> > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, >> which makes >> > me welcome on neither side of the fence. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao > lcmp00050000000003>! > >> * >> >> >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com > /Navigator?Commander-List > >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com > /Navigator?Commander-List > >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> * >> >> >> * >> > > >


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    Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US
    From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com>
    Subject: electric car
    Hi List Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts were corroded and need replacing. Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am looking at other possibilities i.e. importing a set. If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions please send me an email! Dave Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com mob 0438 312973


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    Time: 07:33:12 PM PST US
    From: <dfalik@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: electric car
    Everything is bloody expensive as far as replacement parts for the 500S. I have 1/2 of a door hinge that cost $900+ that I didn't use and the supplier wouldn't take it back. We ended up welding the broken hinge part as it would have required taking the door apart to replace the hinge part that was broken. We have recently had to replace the accumulator/regulator at a cost of $5000 plus $4000 core charge that I am still waiting for after 2 months. That was just for parts not including installation. Then a small fitting broke where it enters the hydraulic pump and it was $1800 plus install. I thought about selling the plane but just couldn't part with it. I guess it is a "love/hate" relationship as others have expressed before. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com> Hi List Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts were corroded and need replacing. Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am looking at other possibilities i.e. importing a set. If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions please send me an email! Dave Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com mob 0438 312973


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    Time: 07:47:51 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: electric car
    Don, Those sound like several unreasonably priced items. Where are you geographically? Who works on your airplane, if you don't mind me asking? Knock on wood, but my 1962 500B hasn't had anything like that. I paid $18k for a new set of compact props back in '99 when Hartzell had the special deal, but when I think "expensive" on my airplane, a cylinder at $1,200 is what comes to mind. /John dfalik@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Everything is bloody expensive as far as replacement parts for the 500S. > I have 1/2 of a door hinge that cost $900+ that I didn't use and the > supplier wouldn't take it back. We ended up welding the broken hinge > part as it would have required taking the door apart to replace the > hinge part that was broken. We have recently had to replace the > accumulator/regulator at a cost of $5000 plus $4000 core charge that I > am still waiting for after 2 months. That was just for parts not > including installation. Then a small fitting broke where it enters the > hydraulic pump and it was $1800 plus install. I thought about selling > the plane but just couldn't part with it. I guess it is a "love/hate" > relationship as others have expressed before. > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Fitzgerald > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car > > <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com> > > Hi List > > Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts > were > corroded and need replacing. > Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am > looking at > other possibilities i.e. importing a set. > If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions > please send me an email! > > Dave > > Dr David Fitzgerald > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > CASA Medical Officer > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com > mob 0438 312973 > > >


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    Time: 08:12:18 PM PST US
    From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Expensive items
    One engine mount was quoted as $7,000 AUS but it was as corroded as the one in-situ. The only other one we have found down under is quoted as $22,000... Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car Everything is bloody expensive as far as replacement parts for the 500S. I have 1/2 of a door hinge that cost $900+ that I didn't use and the supplier wouldn't take it back. We ended up welding the broken hinge part as it would have required taking the door apart to replace the hinge part that was broken. We have recently had to replace the accumulator/regulator at a cost of $5000 plus $4000 core charge that I am still waiting for after 2 months. That was just for parts not including installation. Then a small fitting broke where it enters the hydraulic pump and it was $1800 plus install. I thought about selling the plane but just couldn't part with it. I guess it is a "love/hate" relationship as others have expressed before. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com> Hi List Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts were corroded and need replacing. Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am looking at other possibilities i.e. importing a set. If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions please send me an email! Dave Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com mob 0438 312973


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    Time: 08:34:17 PM PST US
    From: <dfalik@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: electric car
    John I am located in Lower Michigan and the plane is serviced by a facility that I was comfortable with servicing my single commander but they are not knowledgeable about the twin commander. They have been very accommodating to me over the years. They are a family outfit named Kalamazoo Aircraft and it is a decent facility. I know that Rapid Air based in Grand Rapids maintains 5-6 of the 500S's for a freight hauling outfit out of Kansas (the outfit that has the TKS STC) but I am always reluctant to start with another facility. $1200 for a cylinder is standard as I have replaced a few on my 500S. In fact I have one sitting on my shelf that we ended up not having to install. I am sure I will need it in the future. The accumulator/regulator is no longer manufactured and only one company in the country overhauls/rebuilds them and they can name their price. If you have any recommendations I am all ears. Up until 3 months ago my local mechanic/IA/friend maintained the a/c as a learning experience and was quite reasonable as far as charges but he is no longer around and I am at the mercy of others. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: electric car Don, Those sound like several unreasonably priced items. Where are you geographically? Who works on your airplane, if you don't mind me asking? Knock on wood, but my 1962 500B hasn't had anything like that. I paid $18k for a new set of compact props back in '99 when Hartzell had the special deal, but when I think "expensive" on my airplane, a cylinder at $1,200 is what comes to mind. /John dfalik@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Everything is bloody expensive as far as replacement parts for the 500S. > I have 1/2 of a door hinge that cost $900+ that I didn't use and the > supplier wouldn't take it back. We ended up welding the broken hinge > part as it would have required taking the door apart to replace the > hinge part that was broken. We have recently had to replace the > accumulator/regulator at a cost of $5000 plus $4000 core charge that I > am still waiting for after 2 months. That was just for parts not > including installation. Then a small fitting broke where it enters the > hydraulic pump and it was $1800 plus install. I thought about selling > the plane but just couldn't part with it. I guess it is a "love/hate" > relationship as others have expressed before. > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Fitzgerald > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car > > <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com> > > Hi List > > Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts > were > corroded and need replacing. > Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am > looking at > other possibilities i.e. importing a set. > If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions > please send me an email! > > Dave > > Dr David Fitzgerald > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > CASA Medical Officer > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com > mob 0438 312973 > > >


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    Time: 08:38:51 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Expensive items
    David, You could go to a machine shop and have them mfr one from scratch for less than that. David Fitzgerald wrote: > > One engine mount was quoted as $7,000 AUS but it was as corroded as the one > in-situ. The only other one we have found down under is quoted as > $22,000... > > Dr David Fitzgerald > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > CASA Medical Officer > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com > mob 0438 312973 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > dfalik@sbcglobal.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:33 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car > > > Everything is bloody expensive as far as replacement parts for the 500S. > I have 1/2 of a door hinge that cost $900+ that I didn't use and the > supplier wouldn't take it back. We ended up welding the broken hinge > part as it would have required taking the door apart to replace the > hinge part that was broken. We have recently had to replace the > accumulator/regulator at a cost of $5000 plus $4000 core charge that I > am still waiting for after 2 months. That was just for parts not > including installation. Then a small fitting broke where it enters the > hydraulic pump and it was $1800 plus install. I thought about selling > the plane but just couldn't part with it. I guess it is a "love/hate" > relationship as others have expressed before. > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Fitzgerald > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: electric car > > <DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com> > > Hi List > > Having the left engine changed in my 500s and found the engine mounts > were > corroded and need replacing. > Only set that I've sourced in Australia is quite expensive and am > looking at > other possibilities i.e. importing a set. > If anyone has a set they are keen to sell, or has any other suggestions > please send me an email! > > Dave > > Dr David Fitzgerald > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > CASA Medical Officer > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com > mob 0438 312973 > > >


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    Time: 09:15:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: electric car
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    AMEN!? jb -----Original Message----- From: David Owens <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com> Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:26 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: electric car Also... Remember ? Dr. John Christy, professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Alabama at Huntsville said: "I remember as a college student at the first Earth Day being told it was a certainty that by the year 2000, the world would be starving and out of energy. Such doomsday prophecies grabbed headlines, but have proven to be completely false." "Similar pronouncements today about catastrophes due to human-induced climate change," he continued, "sound all too familiar and all too exaggerated to me as someone who actually produces and analyzes climate information." The media, of course, like the exaggerated claims. Most are based on computer models that purport to predict future climates. But computer models are lousy at predicting climate because water vapor and cloud effects cause changes that computers fail to predict. In the mid-1970s, computer models told us we should prepare for global cooling. Scientists tell reporters that computer models should "be viewed with great skepticism." Well, why aren't they? The fundamentalist doom mongers also ignore scientists who say the effects of global warming may be benign. Harvard astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas said added CO2 in the atmosphere may actually benefit the world because more CO2 helps plants grow. Warmer winters would give farmers a longer harvest season, and might end the droughts in the Sahara Desert. Why don't we hear about this part of the global warming argument? "It's the money!" said Dr. Baliunas. "Twenty-five billion dollars in government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming. If scientists and researchers were coming out releasing reports that global warming has little to do with man, and most to do with just how the planet works, there wouldn't be as much money to study it." By JOHN STOSSEL April 20, 2007 ? ? ________________________________________________________________________




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