---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/16/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:37 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (Dan Farmer) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 () 3. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (JTAddington) 4. 12:52 PM - Re: discrimination (Frits Abbing) 5. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (Tom Fisher) 6. 01:18 PM - Re: discrimination (BobsV35B@aol.com) 7. 01:37 PM - Re: discrimination (nico css) 8. 03:22 PM - 100 AGE LIMIT (lloyd SILVERMAN) 9. 03:38 PM - Re: discrimination (Bill Bow) 10. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (cloudcraft@aol.com) 11. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (JTAddington) 12. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (Tom Fisher) 13. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:05 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Bill Which side of 65 are you coming from? :-)) Now on a more serious side. It seems to me that over the last couple of months this site has drifted off course. I know we all have our cherished thoughts on politics and religion. I appreciate a good religious and political discussion about as much as anyone--especially if you are as intelligent as I and agree with me a God fearing Conservative. However, on this site I personally am more interested in Commander STUFF. I do not care to here any ignorant liberal or atheist opinions and I am sure you nice folks who fit in that category do not want to hear my thoughts--just Commander STUFF:-))))))) Please Daddy tell me some more Commander stories--even if they are not true. dan farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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It's about damn time. bilbo --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:37 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 I like that and agree wholeheartedly, Happy Chanukah to all, Let's get back to Twin Commander stuff, Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Bill Which side of 65 are you coming from? :-)) Now on a more serious side. It seems to me that over the last couple of months this site has drifted off course. I know we all have our cherished thoughts on politics and religion. I appreciate a good religious and political discussion about as much as anyone--especially if you are as intelligent as I and agree with me a God fearing Conservative. However, on this site I personally am more interested in Commander STUFF. I do not care to here any ignorant liberal or atheist opinions and I am sure you nice folks who fit in that category do not want to hear my thoughts--just Commander STUFF:-))))))) Please Daddy tell me some more Commander stories--even if they are not true. dan farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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Now some of us won't ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:23 AM PST US From: "JTAddington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Dan, My Commander says it agrees with you on politics and religion, so do I. Jim Addington N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Bill Which side of 65 are you coming from? :-)) Now on a more serious side. It seems to me that over the last couple of months this site has drifted off course. I know we all have our cherished thoughts on politics and religion. I appreciate a good religious and political discussion about as much as anyone--especially if you are as intelligent as I and agree with me a God fearing Conservative. However, on this site I personally am more interested in Commander STUFF. I do not care to here any ignorant liberal or atheist opinions and I am sure you nice folks who fit in that category do not want to hear my thoughts--just Commander STUFF:-))))))) Please Daddy tell me some more Commander stories--even if they are not true. dan farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Now some of us won't ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:12 PM PST US From: Frits Abbing Subject: Re: Commander-List: discrimination Bill,=0A=0AWhen you must/have to fly untill 65 there is not much room left for retirement.=0AEspecially flying long haul.=0AI talk out of experience a nd here in the netherlands its still 56.=0AAfter that age and later your re covery is longer and its bad for your body.=0AIf the whole flying is health y anyway.=0ABut I am glad I had and having that career.=0AHow many years to go?=0A=0Aregards=0A=0AFrits Abbing N812SC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mes sage ----=0AFrom: Bill Bow =0ATo: commander-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:06:27 AM=0ASubject: Command er-List: discrimination=0A=0A=0APresident Bush has signed H.R. 4343 raising the mandatory pilot retirement age from 60 to 65. Thursday, December 13. =0ANow some of us won=A2t be fired until we are 65. =0AIt=A2s about damn t -======================== -======================== ========================0A=0A =0A __________________________________________________________________ __________________=0ABe a better friend, newshound, and =0Aknow-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HD tDypao8Wcj9tAcJ =0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:06 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 OK, Commander stuff, After smoking 2 brand new (25 hour) turbos due to a oil check valve sticking closed, (now replaced), I am adding an enunciator panel with 9 rectangular labelled backlit lights. Two per condition (left / right); Turbo Oil Pressure, (will save me $4,400.00 next time) Low Voltage, (I'm surprised there is not an existing one with the Volt/Amp gauges), Low Vacuum, (can't see the existing lights mounted in front of the co-pilot's knees), Starter Engaged, (a stretch I know but while at it...). I am trying to get Hydraulic Pressure in there somewhere, any ideas on a access point? What is out there in enunciator panels for our era of aircraft (modernized or not)? Other than homebrew are there prefabricated enunciator panels in existence? Any other reasonable suggestions for adding to the list of lights for critical conditions)? There you go. Tom C-GISS 680FLP, (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Bill Which side of 65 are you coming from? :-)) Now on a more serious side. It seems to me that over the last couple of months this site has drifted off course. I know we all have our cherished thoughts on politics and religion. I appreciate a good religious and political discussion about as much as anyone--especially if you are as intelligent as I and agree with me a God fearing Conservative. However, on this site I personally am more interested in Commander STUFF. I do not care to here any ignorant liberal or atheist opinions and I am sure you nice folks who fit in that category do not want to hear my thoughts--just Commander STUFF:-))))))) Please Daddy tell me some more Commander stories--even if they are not true. dan farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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Now some of us won't ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:06 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: discrimination Good Afternoon Frits, Please excuse my butting in. I have been retired for over eighteen years. I think forcing retirement at age sixty was the stupidest thing our industry ever did. There are a few that should have retired at fifty! However most of us could have safely flown much longer. Personally, I think I could easily have flown commercially to seventy and still been doing an excellent job. I fly my Bonanza a couple of hundred hours a year. IFR if, when, and as required. I have no hesitation to fly to the published minima any time that is needed. I have many friends who have taken jobs as corporate pilots just to keep in the cockpit a few years longer. Most of them have been forced by insurance companies to retire at age seventy, but none have ever experienced any problems passing whatever annual check ride requirements were applied to their job. The age sixty requirement was a political move made by a stupid retired Air Force general who hated airline pilots. He was a friend of the then president of American Airlines and when that president wanted to institute an age requirement on his airline, he got the general (FAA head at the time) to make it a rule. There was absolutely NO history that showed a need for early retirement at that time and there has never been an evaluation of pilot competency beyond age sixty that has ever noted the need for early retirement as a general rule. Some of the pilots in their late forties and early fifties have shown cognitive loss and those pilots have been medically retired. That is just as it should be. Considering the regulatory monitoring that we all must endure and the careful evaluation that our copilots make of our competency, I do not believe there should be any forced retirement age, but sixty-five is a LOT more practical than was age sixty. Give me a week or two to get back up to speed and I would happily take a flight check in any of the nineteen aircraft for which I am rated! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 2:53:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, fritsabbing@yahoo.com writes: Bill, When you must/have to fly untill 65 there is not much room left for retirement. Especially flying long haul. I talk out of experience and here in the netherlands its still 56. After that age and later your recovery is longer and its bad for your body. If the whole flying is healthy anyway. But I am glad I had and having that career. How many years to go? **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:49 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: discrimination And one cannot even pee on the general's grave - the line would be too long. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: discrimination Good Afternoon Frits, Please excuse my butting in. I have been retired for over eighteen years. I think forcing retirement at age sixty was the stupidest thing our industry ever did. There are a few that should have retired at fifty! However most of us could have safely flown much longer. Personally, I think I could easily have flown commercially to seventy and still been doing an excellent job. I fly my Bonanza a couple of hundred hours a year. IFR if, when, and as required. I have no hesitation to fly to the published minima any time that is needed. I have many friends who have taken jobs as corporate pilots just to keep in the cockpit a few years longer. Most of them have been forced by insurance companies to retire at age seventy, but none have ever experienced any problems passing whatever annual check ride requirements were applied to their job. The age sixty requirement was a political move made by a stupid retired Air Force general who hated airline pilots. He was a friend of the then president of American Airlines and when that president wanted to institute an age requirement on his airline, he got the general (FAA head at the time) to make it a rule. There was absolutely NO history that showed a need for early retirement at that time and there has never been an evaluation of pilot competency beyond age sixty that has ever noted the need for early retirement as a general rule. Some of the pilots in their late forties and early fifties have shown cognitive loss and those pilots have been medically retired. That is just as it should be. Considering the regulatory monitoring that we all must endure and the careful evaluation that our copilots make of our competency, I do not believe there should be any forced retirement age, but sixty-five is a LOT more practical than was age sixty. Give me a week or two to get back up to speed and I would happily take a flight check in any of the nineteen aircraft for which I am rated! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 2:53:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, fritsabbing@yahoo.com writes: Bill, When you must/have to fly untill 65 there is not much room left for retirement. Especially flying long haul. I talk out of experience and here in the netherlands its still 56. After that age and later your recovery is longer and its bad for your body. If the whole flying is healthy anyway. But I am glad I had and having that career. How many years to go? _____ See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:12 PM PST US From: "lloyd SILVERMAN" Subject: Commander-List: 100 AGE LIMIT -- LLOYD Holy Cow Stay healthy &keep FLYING. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: discrimination Fritz, With the seniority I have, I can only say I don't work very hard. I think I could keep this pace up for a long time. Old Bob is exactly right. There is no data to support retirement at age 60. Bilbo Age- 54 (years young) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frits Abbing Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: discrimination Bill, When you must/have to fly untill 65 there is not much room left for retirement. Especially flying long haul. I talk out of experience and here in the netherlands its still 56. After that age and later your recovery is longer and its bad for your body. If the whole flying is healthy anyway. But I am glad I had and having that career. How many years to go? regards Frits Abbing N812SC ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Bow Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:06:27 AM Subject: Commander-List: discrimination President Bush has signed H.R. 4343 raising the mandatory pilot retirement age from 60 to 65. Thursday, December 13. Now some of us won?t be fired until we are 65. It?s about damn time. bilbo http://www.matronics.ccs.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com _____ Be a better friend, newshound, an=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "> Try it now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 From: cloudcraft@aol.com Thankfully the Aussies and Canadians have put us back on course: Commander topics. Tom, Not sure when you'd want your hydraulic pressure annunciator to trip, but how about wiring it off the pressure sensor that activates the electrical aux. hydraulic pump? If that light came on in flight, you'd be alerted to an abnormal condition in the hydraulic system and could pull the aux pump breaker (if you were not a true believer in the Gospel of disabling that pump any time the gear is up) and conserve your remaining fluid. As to a source for annunciator panels ... I have no idea, but I think there's going to be some good suggestions from the old, decrepit, rabid, fundamentalist, earth-warming infidels who populate this email net. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 OK, Commander stuff, After smoking 2 brand new (25 hour) turbos due to a oil check valve sticking closed, (now replaced), I am adding an enunciator panel with 9 rectangular labelled?backlit lights. Two?per condition?(left / right); Turbo Oil Pressure, (will save me $4,400.00 next time) Low Voltage, (I'm surprised there is not an existing one with the Volt/Amp gauges), Low Vacuum, (can't see the existing lights?mounted in front of the co-pilot's knees), Starter Engaged, (a stretch I know but while at it...). I am trying to get Hydraulic Pressure in there somewhere, any ideas on a access point? ? What is out there in enunciator panels for our era of aircraft (modernized?or not)? Other than homebrew are there prefabricated enunciator panels in existence? Any other reasonable suggestions for adding to the list of lights for critical conditions)? ? There you go. ? Tom C-GISS ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:23 PM PST US From: "JTAddington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 I will open my mouth again, but, I have a friend that is with out a doubt the best I have ever seen when it comes to electronics. He rebuilt the small panel below the glare shield and put in an annunciator set up. He put a guarded switch in the electric hydraulic pump with a red light to tell that the switch was off. He also put a blue light in the system to tell me that the pump was running. This was the first indication I had with the hydraulic failures I had. Unfortunately he moved to Florida. Jim Addington 500A N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudcraft@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Thankfully the Aussies and Canadians have put us back on course: Commander topics. Tom, Not sure when you'd want your hydraulic pressure annunciator to trip, but how about wiring it off the pressure sensor that activates the electrical aux. hydraulic pump? If that light came on in flight, you'd be alerted to an abnormal condition in the hydraulic system and could pull the aux pump breaker (if you were not a true believer in the Gospel of disabling that pump any time the gear is up) and conserve your remaining fluid. As to a source for annunciator panels ... I have no idea, but I think there's going to be some good suggestions from the old, decrepit, rabid, fundamentalist, earth-warming infidels who populate this email net. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 OK, Commander stuff, After smoking 2 brand new (25 hour) turbos due to a oil check valve sticking closed, (now replaced), I am adding an enunciator panel with 9 rectangular labelled backlit lights. Two per condition (left / right); Turbo Oil Pressure, (will save me $4,400.00 next time) Low Voltage, (I'm surprised there is not an existing one with the Volt/Amp gauges), Low Vacuum, (can't see the existing lights mounted in front of the co-pilot's knees), Starter Engaged, (a stretch I know but while at it...). I am trying to get Hydraulic Pressure in there somewhere, any ideas on a access point? What is out there in enunciator panels for our era of aircraft (modernized or not)? Other than homebrew are there prefabricated enunciator panels in existence? Any other reasonable suggestions for adding to the list of lights for critical conditions)? There you go. Tom C-GISS _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> ! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:08 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 I like the idea of knowing when the pump is running (at any time) even if around 800-900 Lbs. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: cloudcraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Thankfully the Aussies and Canadians have put us back on course: Commander topics. Tom, Not sure when you'd want your hydraulic pressure annunciator to trip, but how about wiring it off the pressure sensor that activates the electrical aux. hydraulic pump? If that light came on in flight, you'd be alerted to an abnormal condition in the hydraulic system and could pull the aux pump breaker (if you were not a true believer in the Gospel of disabling that pump any time the gear is up) and conserve your remaining fluid. As to a source for annunciator panels ... I have no idea, but I think there's going to be some good suggestions from the old, decrepit, rabid, fundamentalist, earth-warming infidels who populate this email net. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 OK, Commander stuff, After smoking 2 brand new (25 hour) turbos due to a oil check valve sticking closed, (now replaced), I am adding an enunciator panel with 9 rectangular labelled backlit lights. Two per condition (left / right); Turbo Oil Pressure, (will save me $4,400.00 next time) Low Voltage, (I'm surprised there is not an existing one with the Volt/Amp gauges), Low Vacuum, (can't see the existing lights mounted in front of the co-pilot's knees), Starter Engaged, (a stretch I know but while at it...). I am trying to get Hydraulic Pressure in there somewhere, any ideas on a access point? What is out there in enunciator panels for our era of aircraft (modernized or not)? Other than homebrew are there prefabricated enunciator panels in existence? Any other reasonable suggestions for adding to the list of lights for critical conditions)? There you go. Tom C-GISS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:59 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Mine is basic but I will post pics if I can ever figure out how. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: JTAddington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 I will open my mouth again, but, I have a friend that is with out a doubt the best I have ever seen when it comes to electronics. He rebuilt the small panel below the glare shield and put in an annunciator set up. He put a guarded switch in the electric hydraulic pump with a red light to tell that the switch was off. He also put a blue light in the system to tell me that the pump was running. This was the first indication I had with the hydraulic failures I had. Unfortunately he moved to Florida. Jim Addington 500A N444BD ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudcraft@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:08 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 Thankfully the Aussies and Canadians have put us back on course: Commander topics. Tom, Not sure when you'd want your hydraulic pressure annunciator to trip, but how about wiring it off the pressure sensor that activates the electrical aux. hydraulic pump? If that light came on in flight, you'd be alerted to an abnormal condition in the hydraulic system and could pull the aux pump breaker (if you were not a true believer in the Gospel of disabling that pump any time the gear is up) and conserve your remaining fluid. As to a source for annunciator panels ... I have no idea, but I think there's going to be some good suggestions from the old, decrepit, rabid, fundamentalist, earth-warming infidels who populate this email net. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/15/07 OK, Commander stuff, After smoking 2 brand new (25 hour) turbos due to a oil check valve sticking closed, (now replaced), I am adding an enunciator panel with 9 rectangular labelled backlit lights. Two per condition (left / right); Turbo Oil Pressure, (will save me $4,400.00 next time) Low Voltage, (I'm surprised there is not an existing one with the Volt/Amp gauges), Low Vacuum, (can't see the existing lights mounted in front of the co-pilot's knees), Starter Engaged, (a stretch I know but while at it...). I am trying to get Hydraulic Pressure in there somewhere, any ideas on a access point? What is out there in enunciator panels for our era of aircraft (modernized or not)? Other than homebrew are there prefabricated enunciator panels in existence? Any other reasonable suggestions for adding to the list of lights for critical conditions)? There you go. 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