---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/27/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:58 AM - Re: Heater installation (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 2. 10:00 AM - Re: Heater installation (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 3. 10:15 AM - Re: Heater installation (Tom Fisher) 4. 10:17 AM - Re: Heater installation (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 5. 11:03 AM - Re: Heater installation (Tom Fisher) 6. 12:03 PM - Re: Heater installation (nico css) 7. 12:17 PM - Re: Heater installation (Nick Martin) 8. 12:33 PM - Re: Heater installation (nico css) 9. 01:11 PM - Re: Heater installation (John Vormbaum) 10. 03:08 PM - Re: Heater installation (nico css) 11. 08:43 PM - Re: Heater installation (nico css) 12. 10:47 PM - Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL (W J R HAMILTON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:41 AM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Mason, Please send me your fax number and I will fax the install booklet. My wife returns from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will email you & Tom photos. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:49 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation mm, if you do not mind pls fwd same heater info to me also. gmc _____ From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:18 AM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please email me your fax number and I will fax the install instructions, ect. My wife has the digital camera back east and will not get home until Sunday, at which time I will take several photos and email them to you. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:17 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Great ! I will go load it up with paper. Fax: 604-274-1231 Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please email me your fax number and I will fax the install instructions, ect. My wife has the digital camera back east and will not get home until Sunday, at which time I will take several photos and email them to you. Regards, Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:44 AM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:11 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation I'll try again, FAX = 604-274-1281 Tom... ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. Regards, Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:52 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we could put it up on the website, if you want to. Let me know Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:52 PM PST US From: "Nick Martin" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Nico Where is the web site? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we could put it up on the website, if you want to. Let me know Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:02 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation www.aerocommander.com I need to take off the 2007 fly-in announcement, but otherwise it should be in a workable state. We can add the heater stuff to the Maintenance section off the main menu on the left-hand side. Let me know if you find any discrepancies. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Martin Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Nico Where is the web site? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we could put it up on the website, if you want to. Let me know Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, thanks. Tom F. tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Tom, I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Heater installation Best of the season to everyone. I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's the one installed in the back). I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like and what it has to fit. My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? Thanks for anything anyone can send. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:41 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Nico, The company everyone is talking about can be found at http://www.aircraftheater.com/ I think they're the same guys who came to Dayton and gave a great talk on aircraft heater function, the weak & strong points of the Janitrols, and the strengths of their replacement units. /J nico css wrote: > Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we > could put it up on the website, if you want to. > Let me know > Thanks > Nico > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe > - Ross Racing Pistons > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet > ect. My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital > camera, at which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. > > Regards, > > Moe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Fisher > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure > this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and > pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, > thanks. > > Tom F. > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Moe - Ross Racing Pistons > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which > is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit > repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that > did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. > > Regards, > > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Fisher > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM > *To:* commander-list-digest@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Heater installation > > *_Best of the season to everyone._* > ** > I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's > the one installed in the back). > I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some > of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). > The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers > have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it > so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like > and what it has to fit. > > My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form > of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop > to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. > > Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? > > Thanks for anything anyone can send. > > Tom > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:22 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation Thanks, John. I'll link their site to ours. It will be the quickest. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Nico, The company everyone is talking about can be found at http://www.aircraftheater.com/ I think they're the same guys who came to Dayton and gave a great talk on aircraft heater function, the weak & strong points of the Janitrols, and the strengths of their replacement units. /J nico css wrote: > Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we > could put it up on the website, if you want to. > Let me know > Thanks > Nico > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe > - Ross Racing Pistons > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. > My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at > which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. > > Regards, > > Moe > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Fisher > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure > this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and > pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, > thanks. > > Tom F. > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Moe - Ross Racing Pistons > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which > is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit > repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that > did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. > > Regards, > > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Fisher > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM > *To:* commander-list-digest@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Heater installation > > *_Best of the season to everyone._* > ** > I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's > the one installed in the back). > I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some > of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). > The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers > have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it > so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like > and what it has to fit. > > My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form > of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop > to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. > > Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? > > Thanks for anything anyone can send. > > Tom > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.m > atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.m > atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:58 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation I added C&D Associates to the Maintenance menu. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation --> Thanks, John. I'll link their site to ours. It will be the quickest. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heater installation Nico, The company everyone is talking about can be found at http://www.aircraftheater.com/ I think they're the same guys who came to Dayton and gave a great talk on aircraft heater function, the weak & strong points of the Janitrols, and the strengths of their replacement units. /J nico css wrote: > Is this something that could benefit other Commander owners? If so, we > could put it up on the website, if you want to. > Let me know > Thanks > Nico > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe > - Ross Racing Pistons > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:44 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > Please send me your FAX number and I will fax the install booklet ect. > My wife will return from back east Sunday with the digital camera, at > which time I will make severa pictures and email them to you. > > Regards, > > Moe > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Fisher > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:19 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Wonderful, I would love your information and images to try and figure > this thing out. Frankly I want to rip all the air-conditioning and > pressure valves units and go simple, I can't wait to see the info, > thanks. > > Tom F. > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Moe - Ross Racing Pistons > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:06 PM > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Heater installation > > Tom, > > I have a 680F(p) and have had the heater replaced with one which > is much simpler, better and was cheaper than having the old unit > repaired. It also has no AD notes. The guys are in Michigan that > did the install. If you are interested I can send pictures and info. > > Regards, > > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Fisher > *Sent:* Monday, December 24, 2007 6:32 PM > *To:* commander-list-digest@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Heater installation > > *_Best of the season to everyone._* > ** > I have to replace my cabin heater in the 680FLP, (therefore it's > the one installed in the back). > I have the Mr. RPM conversion and am no longer pressurized, (some > of the plumbing for that appears to be removed). > The direct replacement for it does not fit at all so the engineers > have put it back in the box and plan on sending my heater with it > so the assembler of the other heater will know what it looks like > and what it has to fit. > > My engineers have asked me to get help from you all in the form > of pictures of the duct work that carries the air from the scoop > to the heater as well as any air plumbing in the tail. > > Harry, do you have pictures of yours you can send? > > Thanks for anything anyone can send. > > Tom > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.m > atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.m > atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:39 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: RE: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL Robert, That sounds like progress to may, let's hope he gets FAA back on the rails. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 16:00 27/12/2007, you wrote: >Bill- > >=9CI wonder if anybody ever recently considered >having a highly experienced, qualified, progress >minded, smart and politically savvy civil airman >as head of FAA --- and at the risk of upsetting >anybody, I do mean airman, not airperson.=9D > >Having made her acquaintance on a few occasions >that allowed for conversation: I was glad to see >Marian Blakely finally leave.=C2 She was a puppet >to the Air Transport Association agenda until >about a month before she left office.=C2 She was >a worthless appointee selected to fulfill someone=99s quota objectives. > >Bobby Sturgel, the recently selected head of FAA >on the other hand, is well known to me.=C2 His >office was a few feet from mine back during my >management days at UAL- and I dare say he was a >respected and thoughtful 757/767 captain and >pilot manager.=C2 Bobby is brighter than most of >the bulbs on the tree- and his penchant for not >being a =9Cyes=9D man if his personal opinion >varied with the establishment is (in my opinion) >one of the reasons I don=99t think he was >considered for greater and higher promotion at >UAL.=C2 (The blunt version: UAL didn=99t want >managers who would not toe the party line even >when it was idiotic to do so=85Hence I=99m no longer there either. ;-) )=C2 > >I haven=99t been in contact with Bobby for many >years- but I was astounded and absolutely >thrilled to see his name pop up to take the helm >of FAA after whatserface retired.=C2 Bobby is a >good man at heart, a decent and experienced >pilot, an exceptionally intelligent individual >with a broad background- and given his success >in spite of his penchant for rational >thinking-=C2 I dare say he will bring all of us >in aviation good things under his stewardship. > >Robert S. Randazzo > > >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:14 PM >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL > >Folks, > >While the GA sector might be tiny in China, it >is set to expand greatly, with leadership from >the present Minister ( Secretary of State) for >Aviation, who has had his own Mooney M20 for >many years. Minister Yang Yuan Yuan is also a >former Check and Training Captain of China >Southern, I first made his acquaintance many >years ago, when we were both as above on B767. >Yang has been smart enough to adopt all the good >bits of the FARs as the new basis of civil >aviation regulation in China, while excising all >the accumulated debris of political incursion >over the years --- close to a model civil code, >following a policy based of "don't reinvent the wheel". > >Yang's boss at China Southern, many years ago, >Yu Yan En, ( who had 36,000h + in his log book >when he retired) was the founder President of AOPA China. > >I wonder if anybody ever recently considered >having a highly experienced, qualified, progress >minded, smart and politically savvy civil airman >as head of FAA --- and at the risk of upsetting >anybody, I do mean airman, not airperson. > >GA is alive and well in Malaysia and Singapore, >both have active AOPAs, the Royal Thai Aero Club >in Bangkok used to be a great place for a cold >beer, but I have not been there for a few years. > >What is not a large segment in these places, is >private GA, but all the other sectors of GA, >from aerial ag. through corporate to oil production support, is expanding. > >Having said that, nobody has a GA (or aviation >of any kind) sector anything like the US, nor >are they ever likely to, for a number of >historic and economic reasons, with very >oppressive bureaucracies (fading in China) being at the top of the list. > >Al the best for the New Year, >Bill Hamilton > > >---------- > >At 03:49 26/12/2007, you wrote: > >What muslim or buddist countries have (or ever >had) GA??, Iran, China, Japan, Afghanistan, >Iraq. Merry Christmas, and I really mean it, >Merry Christmas celebrating the birth of Christ!!. jb >I just wonder where this idea came from: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steven N=C3=83=C2=BA=C3=83=C2=B1ez >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Sent: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 7:10 pm >Subject: Re: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL > >Merry Christmas Everyone, > >While I appreciate the sentiment, I just wonder where this idea came from: > > > There is no GA aviation in Buddhist countries, or Muslim countries. > >As someone who has lived in South-East for quite >a while now, I can assure everyone that both >=C3=A2=98Buddhist=C3=A2=99 =82=AC=84=A2 & =C3=A2=98Muslim=C3=A2 =99 >countries (a es (a term more properly applied to >people, not states) certainly do have general aviation! > >Regards, > - Steve Nunez > > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > >http://forums.matronics.com > > >__________ NOD32 2748 (20071227) Information __________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.