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1. 09:35 AM - Manners (Dan Farmer)
2. 10:30 AM - Re: Manners ()
3. 12:31 PM - Re: Manners (nico css)
4. 02:32 PM - (Nancy Gilliam)
5. 03:32 PM - Aircraft specifications (Gary Moshluk)
6. 03:40 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Deneal Schilmeister)
7. 04:28 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Deneal Schilmeister)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (nico css)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (nico css)
10. 05:07 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (BertBerry1@aol.com)
11. 05:07 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Gary Moshluk)
12. 08:54 PM - Re: www.aerocommander.com (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
13. 11:26 PM - Re: www.aerocommander.com (yourtcfg@aol.com)
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Dear Todd,
Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you could use
a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to this list", then
immediately start ripping it for all of its observed faults. If I were new
to something and thought it needed improvement I think I would politely volunteer
my services and proceed to quietly improve it rather than insulting everyone
involved.
By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe their airplane
number: evidently you are real important where you work, but here we
a are just Commander enthusiast.
dan farmer
6369U
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Dear Dan,
I had the opportunity to meet and spent a day with Todd while flying my
500S. That is the short coming of communicating like this on the
internet. The mood and tone can be sorely misinterpreted. All of the
things Todd pointed out, I have observed and therefore never utilized
the site he was referring to. I found him to be a very forthright
person and not negative at all. He wasn't ripping the "list" as you
say. He was disappointed in the lack of content of the Twin Commander
web site.
Don Falik
500S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Farmer
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Manners
Dear Todd,
Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you
could use a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to
this list", then immediately start ripping it for all of its observed
faults. If I were new to something and thought it needed improvement I
think I would politely volunteer my services and proceed to quietly
improve it rather than insulting everyone involved.
By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe
their airplane number: evidently you are real important where you work,
but here we a are just Commander enthusiast.
dan farmer
6369U
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I didn't see Todd's letter and it wasn't included in your response, Dan.
Not knowing specifically what Todd was referring to except that it had
something to do with the website, I should perhaps comment on the state of
the site, in addition to what has already been said.
It was a dark and stormy night...
No wait, That's not it.
We all volunteer to make it work. Positive criticism is always appreciated.
Time and patience are needed for all to enjoy it.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Manners
Dear Todd,
Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you could
use a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to this
list", then immediately start ripping it for all of its observed faults.
If I were new to something and thought it needed improvement I think I would
politely volunteer my services and proceed to quietly improve it rather than
insulting everyone involved.
By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe their
airplane number: evidently you are real important where you work, but here
we a are just Commander enthusiast.
dan farmer
6369U
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Matt,
Please delete amg3636@hotmail.com from your Commander mailing list. I have
subscribed under rgilliamii@yahoo.com.
Thanks,
Roland Gilliam
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| Subject: | Aircraft specifications |
I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would
fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the
100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up
through the 1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner
Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac,
Michigan. Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to
Pontiac where I got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had
a bunch of these loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't
seen Charley in years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520
in Howell, MI a few years back on the tie down ramp.
This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity
built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The
index includes 27 models of Commanders all together.
I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander
specification issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to
how I hole punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the
wrong side of the page such that I cut out some of the spec's.
Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some
information cropped off, it's not so difficult to interpolate between
models to fill in the blanks.
Gary Moshluk
AC 560 N206DX
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| Subject: | Aircraft specifications |
Fellas (and gals)
I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's info
has
been somehow lost due to hole punches.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would
fit
in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the
100,
Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up through
the
1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner Charley
Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac, Michigan.
Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac
where I
got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of
these
loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't seen Charley in
years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a
few
years back on the tie down ramp.
This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity
built,
power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The index
includes 27 models of Commanders all together.
I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander
specification
issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole
punched
the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of the
page
such that I cut out some of the spec's. Nonetheless it's pretty
comprehensive for its size and even with some information cropped off,
it's
not so difficult to interpolate between models to fill in the blanks.
Gary Moshluk
AC 560 N206DX
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft specifications |
On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com> wrote:
> Fellas (and gals)
> I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary=B9s info ha
s
> been somehow lost due to hole punches.
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
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*
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After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up
the publication I have.
Its title is =B3ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK.=B2 It lists basic specs
and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for =B3Prior
Models.=B2
Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages:
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| Subject: | Aircraft specifications |
That would be a treasure, Gary. If you could somehow copy it, or send it so
that I can scan it (I'll send it back) and publish it on the website, it
would be the answer. I didn't even start researching the ag-Commanders. They
should definately be in the website, don't you think?
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would fit
in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the 100,
Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up through the
1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner Charley
Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac, Michigan.
Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I
got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these
loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't seen Charley in
years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few
years back on the tie down ramp.
This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity built,
power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The index
includes 27 models of Commanders all together.
I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification
issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole punched
the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of the page
such that I cut out some of the spec's. Nonetheless it's pretty
comprehensive for its size and even with some information cropped off, it's
not so difficult to interpolate between models to fill in the blanks.
Gary Moshluk
AC 560 N206DX
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| Subject: | Aircraft specifications |
Yes! that would be very nice to have.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal
Schilmeister
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com> wrote:
Fellas (and gals)
I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's info has
been somehow lost due to hole punches.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
****************************************************************************
********************************************
After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up
the publication I have.
Its title is "ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK." It lists basic specs
and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for "Prior
Models."
Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages:
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft specifications |
If anyone is interested I have a pretty fair amount of 1121 Jet Commander stuff
as well as 1123 and 1124 brochures and such if you would like to update that
portion Nico.
-----Original Message-----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
Yes! that would be very nice to have.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com> wrote:
Fellas (and gals)
I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Garys info has been
somehow lost due to hole punches.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
************************************************************************************************************************
After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the
publication I have.
Its title is ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK. It lists basic specs and base
prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for Prior Models.
Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages:
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft specifications |
Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specificationsNicco,
Looks to me as if Deneal's got the same one I have, except I don't have
the cover. If Deneal has the scanning and electronic expertise to get
it to you - I'd go with his 'cleaner' electronic copy! It even has more
aircraft listed in the index than the one I have.
Here I thought I had something unique?
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
Yes! that would be very nice to have.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal
Schilmeister
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications
On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com>
wrote:
Fellas (and gals)
I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's
info has been somehow lost due to hole punches.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
*************************************************************************
***********************************************
After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and
looked up the publication I have.
Its title is "ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK." It lists basic
specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs
for "Prior Models."
Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages:
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| Subject: | www.aerocommander.com |
JB
My post office address needs to be changed. How do I do this?
Moe Mills
N680RR
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com
THANKS "SIR" BARRY!! jb
It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a
new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 6:16 am
Subject: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com
Hi Todd,
I haven't looked at the "Models" section of the Website and you're
absolutely right, the details given for the Model 520 are totally wrong!
In fact, it looks as though most of the specifications for many of the
Models are wrong, and the Specifications for one Model have been repeated
for other Models. The details shown for the Model 520 are, in fact, those
for the Model 500 and the Model 520 details appear when Model 560 is
selected!
It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a
new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models.
Grateful thanks for pointing this out Todd!
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: Trainor, Todd <mailto:Todd.Trainor@hp.com> (Storage Practice)
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation
I am rather new to this list. The website looks very nice and appears that
it was updated a few years ago. (I've been poking around the site for
years, as one of these days I'm going to own an Aero Commander. I think the
time is soon.) But I must observe that I thought the website was abondoned.
There are broken links, ASP failures, SQL errors on databases lookups,
annoucments for dates that have past, the 520 specifications has been wrong
for a long as I can remember, and there does not appears to be any new
content added in a while. What are the intentions of this website. I'd
love to see this website become a great source for Aero Commander
information, such as manuals, photos, stories, advice, service bulletins,
checklists, etc.
Todd Trainor, PMP
Project Manager
HP C&I Storage
810-225-4929
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| Subject: | Re: www.aerocommander.com |
Just send the new address and Sue will make the change.? jb
My post office address needs to be changed.? How do I do this?
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons <moe@rosspistons.com>
Sent: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 8:53 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com
JB
?
My post office address needs to be changed.? How do I do this?
?
Moe Mills
N680RR
?
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com
THANKS "SIR" BARRY!!? jb
It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new
listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 6:16 am
Subject: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com
Hi Todd,
?
I haven't looked at the "Models" section of the Website and you're absolutely right,
the details given for the Model 520 are totally wrong!
?
In fact, it looks as though most of the specifications for many of the Models are
wrong, and the Specifications for one Model have been repeated for other Models.
The details shown for the Model 520 are, in fact, those for the Model 500
and the Model 520 details appear when Model 560 is selected!
?
It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new
listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models.
?
Grateful thanks for pointing this out Todd!
?
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Trainor, Todd (Storage Practice)
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation
I am rather new to this list.? The website looks very nice and appears that it
was updated a few years ago.? (I've been poking around the site for years, as
one of these days I'm going to own an Aero Commander.? I think the time is soon.)?
But?I must observe that I thought the website was?abondoned.??There are broken
links, ASP?failures,?SQL errors on databases lookups, annoucments for dates
that have past, the 520 specifications has been wrong for a long as I can
remember, and there does not appears to be any new content added in a while.??
What are the intentions of this website.? I'd love to see this website become?a?great
source?for?Aero Commander?information, such as manuals, photos, stories,
advice,?service bulletins, checklists,?etc.?
?
Todd Trainor, PMP
Project Manager
HP C&I Storage
810-225-4929
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