---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/29/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:35 AM - Manners (Dan Farmer) 2. 10:30 AM - Re: Manners () 3. 12:31 PM - Re: Manners (nico css) 4. 02:32 PM - (Nancy Gilliam) 5. 03:32 PM - Aircraft specifications (Gary Moshluk) 6. 03:40 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Deneal Schilmeister) 7. 04:28 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Deneal Schilmeister) 8. 04:37 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (nico css) 9. 04:44 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (nico css) 10. 05:07 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (BertBerry1@aol.com) 11. 05:07 PM - Re: Aircraft specifications (Gary Moshluk) 12. 08:54 PM - Re: www.aerocommander.com (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 13. 11:26 PM - Re: www.aerocommander.com (yourtcfg@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:01 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: Manners Dear Todd, Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you could use a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to this list", then immediately start ripping it for all of its observed faults. If I were new to something and thought it needed improvement I think I would politely volunteer my services and proceed to quietly improve it rather than insulting everyone involved. By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe their airplane number: evidently you are real important where you work, but here we a are just Commander enthusiast. dan farmer 6369U --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:57 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Manners Dear Dan, I had the opportunity to meet and spent a day with Todd while flying my 500S. That is the short coming of communicating like this on the internet. The mood and tone can be sorely misinterpreted. All of the things Todd pointed out, I have observed and therefore never utilized the site he was referring to. I found him to be a very forthright person and not negative at all. He wasn't ripping the "list" as you say. He was disappointed in the lack of content of the Twin Commander web site. Don Falik 500S -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Commander-List: Manners Dear Todd, Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you could use a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to this list", then immediately start ripping it for all of its observed faults. If I were new to something and thought it needed improvement I think I would politely volunteer my services and proceed to quietly improve it rather than insulting everyone involved. By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe their airplane number: evidently you are real important where you work, but here we a are just Commander enthusiast. dan farmer 6369U ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:58 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Manners I didn't see Todd's letter and it wasn't included in your response, Dan. Not knowing specifically what Todd was referring to except that it had something to do with the website, I should perhaps comment on the state of the site, in addition to what has already been said. It was a dark and stormy night... No wait, That's not it. We all volunteer to make it work. Positive criticism is always appreciated. Time and patience are needed for all to enjoy it. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Commander-List: Manners Dear Todd, Please excuse me if I missed something but it sounds to me like you could use a Dale Carnegie course. You state that you are "rather new to this list", then immediately start ripping it for all of its observed faults. If I were new to something and thought it needed improvement I think I would politely volunteer my services and proceed to quietly improve it rather than insulting everyone involved. By the way most folks on this list sign off with their name and maybe their airplane number: evidently you are real important where you work, but here we a are just Commander enthusiast. dan farmer 6369U ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:59 PM PST US From: Nancy Gilliam Subject: Commander-List: Matt, Please delete amg3636@hotmail.com from your Commander mailing list. I have subscribed under rgilliamii@yahoo.com. Thanks, Roland Gilliam _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the 100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up through the 1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac, Michigan. Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't seen Charley in years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few years back on the tie down ramp. This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The index includes 27 models of Commanders all together. I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of the page such that I cut out some of the spec's. Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some information cropped off, it's not so difficult to interpolate between models to fill in the blanks. Gary Moshluk AC 560 N206DX ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:49 PM PST US From: "Deneal Schilmeister" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications Fellas (and gals) I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's info has been somehow lost due to hole punches. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the 100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up through the 1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac, Michigan. Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't seen Charley in years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few years back on the tie down ramp. This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The index includes 27 models of Commanders all together. I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of the page such that I cut out some of the spec's. Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some information cropped off, it's not so difficult to interpolate between models to fill in the blanks. Gary Moshluk AC 560 N206DX ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications From: Deneal Schilmeister On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" wrote: > Fellas (and gals) > I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary=B9s info ha s > been somehow lost due to hole punches. > ___________________________ > Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet *************************************************************************** * ******************************************** After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have. Its title is =B3ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK.=B2 It lists basic specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for =B3Prior Models.=B2 Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications That would be a treasure, Gary. If you could somehow copy it, or send it so that I can scan it (I'll send it back) and publish it on the website, it would be the answer. I didn't even start researching the ag-Commanders. They should definately be in the website, don't you think? Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications I have a copy of a small pamphlet titled "Sales Data Handbook" (would fit in a shirt pocket) that lists all the Aero Commander models from the 100, Darter-100, 200 (looks like a Meyers) AG-B-1A Snipe (radial) up through the 1121 Jet Commander. I got it from a fellow Commander owner Charley Williamson -who owned a 520 at the time, based out of Pontiac, Michigan. Charley helped me ferry my bird from Tecumseh, MI in '89 to Pontiac where I got it airworthy again. For whatever reason Charley had a bunch of these loose in a box (I should have snagged more). I haven't seen Charley in years but I believe Charley has passed on; I saw his 520 in Howell, MI a few years back on the tie down ramp. This little gem lists: price, years built, serial # range, quantity built, power plant, prop, fuel specs...dimensions - performance. The index includes 27 models of Commanders all together. I can copy it and send it on to (?) help with the Commander specification issue. Note that I should have paid closer attention to how I hole punched the bloody thing - I inadvertently punched it on the wrong side of the page such that I cut out some of the spec's. Nonetheless it's pretty comprehensive for its size and even with some information cropped off, it's not so difficult to interpolate between models to fill in the blanks. Gary Moshluk AC 560 N206DX ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:33 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications Yes! that would be very nice to have. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" wrote: Fellas (and gals) I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's info has been somehow lost due to hole punches. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet **************************************************************************** ******************************************** After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have. Its title is "ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK." It lists basic specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for "Prior Models." Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages: ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications From: BertBerry1@aol.com If anyone is interested I have a pretty fair amount of 1121 Jet Commander stuff as well as 1123 and 1124 brochures and such if you would like to update that portion Nico. -----Original Message----- From: "nico css" To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications Yes! that would be very nice to have. ---------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" wrote: Fellas (and gals) I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Garys info has been somehow lost due to hole punches. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet ************************************************************************************************************************ After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have. Its title is ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK. It lists basic specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for Prior Models. Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages: ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specificationsNicco, Looks to me as if Deneal's got the same one I have, except I don't have the cover. If Deneal has the scanning and electronic expertise to get it to you - I'd go with his 'cleaner' electronic copy! It even has more aircraft listed in the index than the one I have. Here I thought I had something unique? ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications Yes! that would be very nice to have. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft specifications On 12/29/07 5:39 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister" wrote: Fellas (and gals) I have a similar pamphlet and would be happy to scan it if Gary's info has been somehow lost due to hole punches. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet ************************************************************************* *********************************************** After writing the above, I went to my office (in my basement) and looked up the publication I have. Its title is "ROCKWELL COMMANDER AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK." It lists basic specs and base prices for Rockwell aircraft current in 1974, and specs for "Prior Models." Here is a scan of the Table of Contents and two sample pages: ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:30 PM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com JB My post office address needs to be changed. How do I do this? Moe Mills N680RR _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com THANKS "SIR" BARRY!! jb It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 6:16 am Subject: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com Hi Todd, I haven't looked at the "Models" section of the Website and you're absolutely right, the details given for the Model 520 are totally wrong! In fact, it looks as though most of the specifications for many of the Models are wrong, and the Specifications for one Model have been repeated for other Models. The details shown for the Model 520 are, in fact, those for the Model 500 and the Model 520 details appear when Model 560 is selected! It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models. Grateful thanks for pointing this out Todd! Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainor, Todd (Storage Practice) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation I am rather new to this list. The website looks very nice and appears that it was updated a few years ago. (I've been poking around the site for years, as one of these days I'm going to own an Aero Commander. I think the time is soon.) But I must observe that I thought the website was abondoned. There are broken links, ASP failures, SQL errors on databases lookups, annoucments for dates that have past, the 520 specifications has been wrong for a long as I can remember, and there does not appears to be any new content added in a while. What are the intentions of this website. I'd love to see this website become a great source for Aero Commander information, such as manuals, photos, stories, advice, service bulletins, checklists, etc. Todd Trainor, PMP Project Manager HP C&I Storage 810-225-4929 _____ ! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com From: yourtcfg@aol.com Just send the new address and Sue will make the change.? jb My post office address needs to be changed.? How do I do this? -----Original Message----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 8:53 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com JB ? My post office address needs to be changed.? How do I do this? ? Moe Mills N680RR ? From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com THANKS "SIR" BARRY!!? jb It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 6:16 am Subject: Commander-List: www.aerocommander.com Hi Todd, ? I haven't looked at the "Models" section of the Website and you're absolutely right, the details given for the Model 520 are totally wrong! ? In fact, it looks as though most of the specifications for many of the Models are wrong, and the Specifications for one Model have been repeated for other Models. The details shown for the Model 520 are, in fact, those for the Model 500 and the Model 520 details appear when Model 560 is selected! ? It looks as though when I get the proverbial 5 minutes, I'll have prepare a new listing for Nico to get the correct details against each of the Models. ? Grateful thanks for pointing this out Todd! ? Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Trainor, Todd (Storage Practice) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heater installation I am rather new to this list.? The website looks very nice and appears that it was updated a few years ago.? (I've been poking around the site for years, as one of these days I'm going to own an Aero Commander.? I think the time is soon.)? But?I must observe that I thought the website was?abondoned.??There are broken links, ASP?failures,?SQL errors on databases lookups, annoucments for dates that have past, the 520 specifications has been wrong for a long as I can remember, and there does not appears to be any new content added in a while.?? What are the intentions of this website.? I'd love to see this website become?a?great source?for?Aero Commander?information, such as manuals, photos, stories, advice,?service bulletins, checklists,?etc.? ? 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