---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/24/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:16 AM - BA 777 LHR (Dan Farmer) 2. 11:52 AM - not *quite* a Commander (John Vormbaum) 3. 01:03 PM - Re: Bell crank assembly (Harry Merritt) 4. 01:51 PM - Re: Bell crank assembly (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 5. 02:52 PM - Re: BA 777 LHR () 6. 02:52 PM - Re: BA 777 LHR () 7. 06:04 PM - Re: not *quite* a Commander (Steve W) 8. 06:44 PM - Re: not *quite* a Commander (John Vormbaum) 9. 08:38 PM - Re: Fly-by-wire (Barry Hancock) 10. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Fly-by-wire () 11. 08:55 PM - Re: not *quite* a Commander (nico css) 12. 09:16 PM - Re: not *quite* a Commander (BertBerry1@aol.com) 13. 09:45 PM - Re: not *quite* a Commander (Robert S. Randazzo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:14 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: BA 777 LHR As some of you know I fly 777's for AA. I would like to clear up a few systems and what I know from industry info. The engines are believed to be running in flight idle but would not respond to thrust demands from the pilots or the auto throttles. Therefore all flight deck instruments would have been operating normal. I believe this to be correct if the copilot continued to fly because if both engines had failed only the captain would have a complete compliment of instrumentation to include ILS/GS. On the 777 at dual engine failure but both windmilling they would have fairly normal hydraulics. They would have all capt inst on bat back up for 30 minutes. However in about 20 seconds after both main AC buses were dead they would have continuous fight deck instruments on both sides from the RAT (ram air turbine) power. They would also have very minimual hydraulic power from the RAT but probably not need in this case assuming engine rotation well in to roll out. But the APU would auto start when both AC buses went dead from their own dedicated battery, that takes about one minute for APU to come on line and at 600 ft it probably did not have time. To summarize I believe they had all instruments and controls--PIEACE A CAKE:--))) NEWS FLASH JUST IN--PILOT DISTRACTION MAY BE FAULT see attach dan --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:31 AM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110215623947 /John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:20 PM PST US From: "Harry Merritt" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bell crank assembly If you happy with the part, ( Send Money ) Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bell crank assembly Thanks, Harry called me today. I do not know what the heck is going on with delivery of Email. Tom. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylor Hall To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bell crank assembly Tom, There were three postings from Harry this AM to you about the bell crank. Did you get them? It had Harry's phone number. The price on the new part is: $ 685.34 US I will sell you the part for: $ 325.00 Plus freight. Harry 321 267-3141 Tylor On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Tom Fisher wrote: I am beginning to think that I am not getting all the postings as yours is the first response I have seen. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bell crank assembly tf, I think harry merrit responded that he did have one?? gmc ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Commander-List: Bell crank assembly I am not sure if my postings are arriving on the list as I never get to see them. Would someone respond (even if you do not have the part I am looking for) so that I know if the postings are getting to the list. ************************************************************** Gentlemen, My engineers broke a bell crank assemble in the nose wheel area and I am looking for a source for this part. I don't currently know the exact "description" but the part number is 3330035 or 3330035-1. 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Gil **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA 777 LHR G'day Dan, As always your measured "weigh-in" on world affairs is much appreciated. Any idea which tee coincides with the threshold... My only other concern is the drop in 'dress' standards of that particular golf club...they were very strict when I played nine holes there in 1996!! Have you any idea why these standards have decayed?? Yours in undistracted golfing Russell ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:11 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA 777 LHR G'day Dan, As always your measured "weigh-in" on world affairs is much appreciated. Any idea which tee coincides with the threshold... My only other concern is the drop in 'dress' standards of that particular golf club...they were very strict when I played nine holes there in 1996!! Have you any idea why these standards have decayed?? Yours in undistracted golfing Russell ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander $790,000 and the reserve isn't met? Good grief. But man that came out of the factory set up right! Let's see, $900,000 over five years at 5.9%, I can eat macaroni and cheese....... No that's not going to work. Still about $850,000 short. Carbs look kinda grubby for 11,000 miles anyway...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander > > ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110215623947 > > /John > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:43 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander NO american muscle car is worth that much....and I'm a big fan of american muscle. It's all Barrett Jackson that has inflated these prices to meet their own ends thru aggressive marketing & auction coverage. I also don't buy that something that spent 30 years in a barn doesn't have critter infestation. Mice, anyone? I'd pay $50k for it. I wonder what his reserve is? Steve W wrote: > > $790,000 and the reserve isn't met? Good grief. But man that came out > of the factory set up right! > > Let's see, $900,000 over five years at 5.9%, I can eat macaroni and > cheese....... No that's not going to work. Still about $850,000 short. > > Carbs look kinda grubby for 11,000 miles anyway...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander > > >> >> ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110215623947 >> >> >> /John >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:24 PM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Re: Fly-by-wire I love it when we begrudge progress and use an anomaly to justify our position. To me it's akin to arguing against turbines in favor or round engines (and if ANYONE wants to do that, it's me!). If FBW was inherently more problematic than older systems, do you really think that nearly all modern aircraft designs would be designed with it? No system is perfect, and everything is weighed by a risk/benefit analysis. In the end, FBW is the best choice for many applications. In as much as it can fail, just like any other system, is an unfortunate but ultimately unavoidable situation. I guess my point is, why do we complain about progress without providing a better solution? In this case, I believe that it's because one does not yet exist... Back to my corner, Barry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:07 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-by-wire Hey Barry, Good to see you on the list. Any progress on your 680E? Be great if you could get it to Oklahoma in September. Cheers Russell ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:14 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander If one could have known that stocking up om some muscle cars in the 60's would have sold for this much... But then again if I could only know for certain what will happen in the next 60 seconds it would change things. Casinos, watch out. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander NO american muscle car is worth that much....and I'm a big fan of american muscle. It's all Barrett Jackson that has inflated these prices to meet their own ends thru aggressive marketing & auction coverage. I also don't buy that something that spent 30 years in a barn doesn't have critter infestation. Mice, anyone? I'd pay $50k for it. I wonder what his reserve is? Steve W wrote: > > $790,000 and the reserve isn't met? Good grief. But man that came out > of the factory set up right! > > Let's see, $900,000 over five years at 5.9%, I can eat macaroni and > cheese....... No that's not going to work. Still about $850,000 short. > > Carbs look kinda grubby for 11,000 miles anyway...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander > > >> --> >> >> ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1102156 >> 23947 >> >> >> /John >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander From: BertBerry1@aol.com Nico if that were always the case, all those Twin Commanders out there would be worth 7 maybe 8 figures today. -----Original Message----- From: "nico css" To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander If one could have known that stocking up om some muscle cars in the 60's would have sold for this much... But then again if I could only know for certain what will happen in the next 60 seconds it would change things. Casinos, watch out. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander NO american muscle car is worth that much....and I'm a big fan of american muscle. It's all Barrett Jackson that has inflated these prices to meet their own ends thru aggressive marketing & auction coverage. I also don't buy that something that spent 30 years in a barn doesn't have critter infestation. Mice, anyone? I'd pay $50k for it. I wonder what his reserve is? Steve W wrote: > > $790,000 and the reserve isn't met? Good grief. But man that came out > of the factory set up right! > > Let's see, $900,000 over five years at 5.9%, I can eat macaroni and > cheese....... No that's not going to work. Still about $850,000 short. > > Carbs look kinda grubby for 11,000 miles anyway...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander > > >> --> >> >> ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1102156 >> 23947 >> >> >> /John >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:12 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander If anyone wants to offer eight figures for N414C- I'll provide the address where you can send the check. :-) Heck- since we're all friends- I'll even take seven figures from anyone in this group. HAHAHAHA Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander Nico if that were always the case, all those Twin Commanders out there would be worth 7 maybe 8 figures today. -----Original Message----- From: "nico css" To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander If one could have known that stocking up om some muscle cars in the 60's would have sold for this much... But then again if I could only know for certain what will happen in the next 60 seconds it would change things. Casinos, watch out. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander NO american muscle car is worth that much....and I'm a big fan of american muscle. It's all Barrett Jackson that has inflated these prices to meet their own ends thru aggressive marketing & auction coverage. I also don't buy that something that spent 30 years in a barn doesn't have critter infestation. Mice, anyone? I'd pay $50k for it. I wonder what his reserve is? Steve W wrote: > > $790,000 and the reserve isn't met? Good grief. But man that came out > of the factory set up right! > > Let's see, $900,000 over five years at 5.9%, I can eat macaroni and > cheese....... No that's not going to work. Still about $850,000 short. > > Carbs look kinda grubby for 11,000 miles anyway...... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Commander-List: not *quite* a Commander > > >> --> >> >> ...but still worthy. I wonder if it will end up selling for over $1M? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1102156 >> 23947 >> >> >> /John >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.