---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/28/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:18 AM - Johannesburg Commander (BertBerry1@aol.com) 2. 10:08 AM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (Barry Collman) 3. 10:37 AM - 777 from AVwebFlash (Don) 4. 11:13 AM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (nico css) 5. 11:25 AM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (BertBerry1@aol.com) 6. 11:34 AM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (BertBerry1@aol.com) 7. 01:06 PM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (Barry Collman) 8. 08:09 PM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (nico css) 9. 09:41 PM - Re: Johannesburg Commander (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:27 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert _www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html_ (http://www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:53 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Hi Bert, If it is a 500B and the photos were taken 'recently', I reckon there are three possible candidates, but I've nothing else to help i/d this Commander. The three are: 500B-964-19, ZS-KPU. Currently Registered to Bevrick (Pty) Ltd., of Kimberley, Northern Cape Province. So, unlikely, if, as one of photos says "... and home again. On final to Johannesburg International Airport." 500B-1428-151, ZS-LGV. Currently Registered to Dr. T M Stegman & Associates, of Ravenswood, Boksburg. 500B-1498-176, ZS-MFS. Currently Registered to Garrox (Pty) Ltd., of Bedfordview, Johannesburg. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:20 AM PST US From: "Don" Subject: Commander-List: 777 from AVwebFlash Report: 777 Engines Were Running At Impact Despite earlier reports that suggested both engines had quit on the Boeing 777 that crashed on final approach to Heathrow last week, the engines were still developing power at impact, the United Kingdom's Air Accident Investigation Board said on Thursday. The AAIB also said there was adequate fuel on board. The aircraft was on autopilot and stabilized on an ILS approach when the autothrust system commanded an increase in thrust from both engines. "The engines both initially responded but after about 3 seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced," according to the AAIB. "Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level. The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust." Investigators now are working to complete a detailed analysis and examination of the complete fuel-flow path from the aircraft tanks to the engine fuel nozzles. The AAIB said it is "sensitive to the needs of the industry," including aircraft manufacturers that use similar onboard systems and the flight crews who fly them, and will issue more information as soon as possible. Don ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:38 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander I know ZS-MFS and the last time I took pictures of her, she had a radome attached to the nose. I'll find the pics and publish them. It doesn't seem as if this one has a radome. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html _____ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:55 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Thanks Barry, **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:58 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Nico, I have some photos of MFS, that doesn't look like the same one. I don't have any photos of ZS-LGV 1428-151 500B. So that could be a it. Bert **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:06 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Hi Nico, You're right. I've got a few of photos of ZS-MFS and it does have a radome. The Commander in the questioned photo seems to have winglets too, but I'm not too well up on those which have them, outside of the US. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander I know ZS-MFS and the last time I took pictures of her, she had a radome attached to the nose. I'll find the pics and publish them. It doesn't seem as if this one has a radome. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:15 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:23 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander I just found the pics of MFS I took a couple of years ago at Grand Central airport and MFS did sport winglets. How about that. I think it is very likely MFS if we compare the instrument panel with my pictures but then the radome had to have been removed, it had a paint job, and the interior redone. My pictures show a rather worn interior. Could the guy who took the pictures not look at his bill for the charter and let us know which plane it was? Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Hi Nico, You're right. I've got a few of photos of ZS-MFS and it does have a radome. The Commander in the questioned photo seems to have winglets too, but I'm not too well up on those which have them, outside of the US. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander I know ZS-MFS and the last time I took pictures of her, she had a radome attached to the nose. I'll find the pics and publish them. It doesn't seem as if this one has a radome. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:05 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Hi Barry, There is a fourth 500B in South Africa: ZS-EDP Reg Date:3/28/1994 Sn:1514-183 Owner:BEAVEN, SHUAN AND PERLEWITZ Unless it has been lost since my info. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander Hi Bert, If it is a 500B and the photos were taken 'recently', I reckon there are three possible candidates, but I've nothing else to help i/d this Commander. The three are: 500B-964-19, ZS-KPU. Currently Registered to Bevrick (Pty) Ltd., of Kimberley, Northern Cape Province. So, unlikely, if, as one of photos says "... and home again. On final to Johannesburg International Airport." 500B-1428-151, ZS-LGV. Currently Registered to Dr. T M Stegman & Associates, of Ravenswood, Boksburg. 500B-1498-176, ZS-MFS. Currently Registered to Garrox (Pty) Ltd., of Bedfordview, Johannesburg. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Johannesburg Commander There are some photos of what is discribed as a 500B on this site, does anyone recognize this Commander? Thanks, Bert www.77000rpm.com/tau/odyssey2.html _____ Start the year off right. 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