---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/31/08: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:48 PM - FW: Gastwick B-777 Info (JTAddington) 2. 11:19 PM - Re: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info (W J R HAMILTON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:48 PM PST US From: "JTAddington" Subject: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info I got this from a friend and thought you would like it. Jim Subject: Gastwick B-777 Info I recently received this from a Retied DL Colleague. I do not know the identity of the author. I have done some small bit of editing for my non pilot friends. Ken Heard from a friend regarding the U.K. 777 crash. As I recall this aircraft had Trent engines built by Rolls Royce. ****************************** ********************************* This is part of a message forwarded to me: Had the pleasure of chatting with a member of the NTSB board last night at dinner. Here is what he shared. Aircraft was at 600 ft agl (Above Ground Level ) when the right engine (RPM) started to roll back to slightly above flight idle. The First Officer was flying and auto throttles were engaged. The auto throttles moved the throttles up to catch the deceleration in airspeed. The right engine did not respond to the movement of the auto throttles. The First Officer disengaged the auto throttles and manually moved both throttles to max power as the Captain joined him and they both applied emergency power. Within 8 seconds of the right engine rolling back to just above flight idle the left engine did the exact same thing. The engines never changed RPM from that point till ground contact. The F/O continued flying and kept nibbling on the stick shaker to clear a hill just prior to the impact point. Apparently the crew is being hailed as heroes for their performance. The two areas under investigation are fuel that was uplifted in China. Ice in the fuel is a consideration and they are running chemical test at this time. The other area is engine software. So far they can confirm that everything from the throttles to the ECC's worked as it should. Its the info from the ECC's to the fuel controller that is in question. This aircraft had just had a software update 2 days earlier ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:39 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info Folks, Anybody interested can download the progressive reports from the UK at http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident_to_boeing_777_236__g_ymmm__at_heathrow_airport_on_17_january_2008___initial_report_update.cfm As a matter of interest, the air masses over Russia/CIS/Eastern Europe were particularly cold that morning, aircraft were having to come as low as FL250, and maintain higher than LRC Mach No. to maintain fuel temps. warmer then -37C. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ---------- At 14:13 1/02/2008, you wrote: >I got this from a friend and thought you would like it. >Jim > > >Subject: Gastwick B-777 Info > >I recently received this from a Retied DL Colleague. I do not know >the identity of the author. I have done some small bit of editing >for my non pilot friends. >Ken > > >Heard from a friend regarding the U.K. 777 crash. As I recall this >aircraft had Trent engines built by Rolls Royce. >****************************** >********************************* > >This is part of a message forwarded to me: > >Had the pleasure of chatting with a member of the NTSB board last >night at dinner. Here is what he shared. Aircraft was at 600 ft >agl (Above Ground Level ) when the right engine (RPM) started to >roll back to slightly above flight >idle. > >The First Officer was flying and auto throttles were engaged. The >auto throttles moved the throttles up to catch the deceleration in >airspeed. The right engine did not respond to the movement of the >auto throttles. The First Officer disengaged the auto throttles and >manually moved both throttles to max power as the Captain joined him >and they both applied emergency power. Within 8 seconds of the right >engine rolling back to just above flight idle the left engine did >the exact same thing. The engines never changed RPM from that point >till ground contact. The F/O continued flying and kept nibbling on >the stick shaker to clear a hill just prior to the impact >point. Apparently the crew is being hailed as heroes for their performance. > >The two areas under investigation are fuel that was uplifted in >China. Ice in the fuel is a consideration and they are running >chemical test at this time. The other area is engine software. So >far they can confirm that everything from the throttles to the ECC's >worked as it should. Its the info from the ECC's to the fuel >controller that is in question. This aircraft had just had a >software update 2 days earlier > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.