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1. 02:18 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (Barry Collman)
2. 03:05 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (nico css)
3. 03:12 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (nico css)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (Barry Collman)
5. 04:03 AM - Re: Century III Autopilot (David Fitzgerald)
6. 04:19 AM - Re: Century III Autopilot (Barry Collman)
7. 09:25 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (yourtcfg@aol.com)
8. 10:08 AM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (Barry Collman)
9. 01:40 PM - Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
10. 02:48 PM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (BertBerry1@aol.com)
11. 03:26 PM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (nico css)
12. 03:27 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (nico css)
13. 03:38 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (Barry Collman)
14. 05:53 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
15. 06:42 PM - Testing the filter (Tom Fisher)
16. 07:42 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
17. 07:45 PM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (Don)
18. 07:59 PM - Re: Commander at Van Nuys (nico css)
19. 08:04 PM - Business & Commercial Aviation article (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
20. 08:05 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (nico css)
21. 09:22 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (Deneal Schilmeister)
22. 09:49 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
23. 09:51 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
24. 09:53 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
25. 10:23 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (nico css)
26. 10:24 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (nico css)
27. 11:44 PM - Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? (John Vormbaum)
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to
try and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of where
Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst Street.
The image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position where I noted
the Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about where a reddish
coloured a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be
located? I you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to
happen to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground
training outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Commander at Van Nuys |
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I had a
gout attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out there this
week and report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to try
and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of where
Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst Street. The
image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position where I noted the
Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about where a reddish coloured
a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be located? I
you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to happen
to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground training
outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Commander at Van Nuys |
I see the Beech 18; the reddish a/c looks like a chopper. Anyway, I'll take
some pics and let you know.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to try
and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of where
Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst Street. The
image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position where I noted the
Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about where a reddish coloured
a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be located? I
you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to happen
to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground training
outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
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s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
Hi Nico,
Hey! No need to apologise - your health takes priority.
There's no rush, so whenever you're back on your feet will be just fine.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I
had a gout attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out
there this week and report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to
try and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of
where Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst
Street. The image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position
where I noted the Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about
where a reddish coloured a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be
located? I you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to
happen to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground
training outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Century III Autopilot |
If you get really desperate I've got a Century III collecting dust on a
shelf.
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:20 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Century III Autopilot
Hello All,
Jonathan Palmer, the head of Mustique Airways, operates some Models 500B,
500U & 500S in St Vincent & The Grenadines.
He is trying to "revive" a Century III Autopilot on the 500U.
He is looking for a Servo, P/N 1C469-1-221.
Can anyone on the list point him towards a good source?
Any help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
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| Subject: | Re: Century III Autopilot |
Hi David,
Grateful thanks. I'll forward your message to Jonathan.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: David Fitzgerald
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Century III Autopilot
If you get really desperate I've got a Century III collecting dust on
a shelf.
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:20 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Century III Autopilot
Hello All,
Jonathan Palmer, the head of Mustique Airways, operates some Models
500B, 500U & 500S in St Vincent & The Grenadines.
He is trying to "revive" a Century III Autopilot on the 500U.
He is looking for a Servo, P/N 1C469-1-221.
Can anyone on the list point him towards a good source?
Any help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
HI BARRY..
As near as I can find out the "O" in the call-air paperwork means "open cockpit"?
The early call-air ag planes were open cockpit with the pilot sitting beside
the hopper, a strange arrangement to be sure.? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
?
Hey! No need to apologise - your health takes priority.
?
There's no rush,?so whenever you're back on your feet will be just fine.
?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I had a gout
attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out there this week and
report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
?
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
?
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to try and find
this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of where Saticoy
Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst Street.? The image on
Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position where I noted the Aero Commander.?
The Beech 18 was positioned about where a reddish coloured a/c is shown on
Google Earth."
?
If not, apologies for asking!
?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be located? I you don't,
I could just scan the airport from space.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
?
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander" (presumably
a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete condition and stripped
to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
?
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to happen to
it?
?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground training outfit.
?
Any help will be much appreciated.
?
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
Hi JimBob,
Grateful thanks. I just couldn't think what the "O" represented, but
that's surely the answer.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
HI BARRY..
As near as I can find out the "O" in the call-air paperwork means
"open cockpit" The early call-air ag planes were open cockpit with the
pilot sitting beside the hopper, a strange arrangement to be sure. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
Hey! No need to apologise - your health takes priority.
There's no rush, so whenever you're back on your feet will be just
fine.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I
had a gout attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out
there this week and report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going
to try and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of
where Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst
Street. The image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position
where I noted the Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about
where a reddish coloured a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be
located? I you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early
Commander" (presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in
poor/incomplete condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely
to happen to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground
training outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Hello all,
Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London, South
Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South African
professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a Commander Person,
she is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
Cheers,
/John
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
Hey Nico,
When you get done with the gout and Barry's Van Nuys request can you run to
Johannesburg and try to ID my mystery commander?
Happy Mardi Gras to All,
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| Subject: | Commander at Van Nuys |
No, but I could summon someone who lives there to go and do it...
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hey Nico,
When you get done with the gout and Barry's Van Nuys request can you run to
Johannesburg and try to ID my mystery commander?
Happy Mardi Gras to All,
Bert
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet with
that combination.
Tell us more about your mother, John.
;-D
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
Hello all,
Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London, South
Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South African
professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a Commander Person, she
is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
Cheers,
/John
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Tennis & Commanders?
There is a connection ..........
Tennis racquet
Commander noise (racket = a loud, unwanted sound [slang])
Sorry ............ I'll get my coat.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet
with that combination.
| Tell us more about your mother, John.
| ;-D
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
| Vormbaum
| Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
|
<john@vormbaum.com>
|
| Hello all,
|
| Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London,
South Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South
| African professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a
Commander Person, she is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd
ask!
|
| Cheers,
|
| /John
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Hi Nico,
My mother is a senior umpire with the ATP men's pro tennis tour in the
US. She is Chief of Officials for many of the year's events. Starting in
1980 by umpiring local matches, she eventually (by '85 or so) became the
highest ranked female chair umpire in the US and one of the top 2 or 3
in the world. She's chaired finals, on center court, in all 4 majors;
French, Wimbledon, Australian, & US Opens. She's chaired for every major
name you can think of, starting with Chris Evert / Bjorn Borg through
today's best. In the last couple of years she's backed off and turned
mostly to administrative work (gotta make room for the younger fresher
umps...kinda like the age-60 [65?] rule) but still chairs matches at the
US Open.
She's in S.A. for the event there, I think it's sponsored by South
African Airways. She told me after last year's event (her first there)
that she liked the SAA people very much. Evidently they actually have a
couple of competent senior execs.....which would be quite refreshing in
the airline biz I would imagine.
Anyway, I was raised as a tennis brat. I played competitively for about
15 years and was......good. I probably would never have been
world-class, but I could have made a living at it if I enjoyed it, which
I really didn't. I'm a golf addict and prefer that sport, especially as
many of the good courses here in the US can be reached easily by Commander!
Cheers,
/John
nico css wrote:
>
> Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet with
> that combination.
> Tell us more about your mother, John.
> ;-D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London, South
> Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South African
> professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a Commander Person, she
> is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Testing the filter |
Testing the filter.
GISS
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> 1. 07:15 AM - BA38-777 (Dan Farmer)
> 2. 07:22 AM - Re: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info (JTAddington)
> 3. 11:51 AM - Re: BA38-777 (Don)
> 4. 01:07 PM - Re: BA38-777 Fuel Question (Steve W)
> 5. 01:34 PM - Re: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info (Robert S. Randazzo)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:15:58 AM PST US
> From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: BA38-777
>
> Mr. Bill
>
> If you are saying at -40 jet A turns solid in the tanks I must
> respectfully disagree.
> It would after several hours but it would take along time, just like
> it will take a tank of water to freeze solid at 32F. It would have a
> tendancy
> to clog filters, I doubt that fuel lines would freeze as you know fuel
> lines
> are quite large with lots of flow. There is no provistion to select fuel
> heat
> on a 777 with Rolls engines and I doubt it is automatically selected with
> out
> some form of notice to the pilots. As you recall putting on fuel heat
> raises
> the temp of engine oil significantly. In our training and manuals there
> is
> no mention of fuel heat. The only mention of treatment is to find warmer
> altitude
> or increase speed. Buy the way I had to research JA1 for freeze point and
> it is -47C.
>
> Someone on the site stated that he thought temp at high flight levels
> would be
> much lower than -37C and that is correct. A pretty accurate guide to
> Stand
> temp in the flight levels is to double the altitude and sub 15, ie at
> FL350 35
> X 2 = 70 - 15 = - 55C. Ram rise or increase in skin temp at .80/.84 mach
> is
> in the area of 30 deg C.
>
> As I mentioned in last post was in school and sim last week. Tried to
> duplicate
> BA 38 with what we guessed to be weight and wind. It took several
> attempts
> to get to the first foot of the runway with a very hard touch down. They
> did
> a hell of a good job--especially with that gal playing topless golf off to
> the
> side.
>
> dan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:22:13 AM PST US
> From: "JTAddington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
> I don't remember it could have been and I think you are right. It was a
> long
> time ago and I was either on the B-727 or the L-1011 by then so did not
> pay
> a lot of attention to it since it did not apply to me.
>
> Jim
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> Jim;
>
>
> I vaguely remember that, but wasn't that ice on the outside of the wing
> caused by super cooled fuel.
>
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: JTAddington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:50 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> My memory is not the best but if I remember right when the MD-80 came out
> they had ice problems when the aircraft came down from altitude and landed
> at a cold airport and than went back to altitude. I have forgotten how
> they
> fixed the problem. I had moved on when we got the MD-80 so am not sure
> exactly what the problem really was.
>
> Jim Addington
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> I have had several experiences with Jet A and ice.
>
> The first was in 1966. I worked the summer at Meigs Field, Chicago, (now
> gone). A new Lear Jet had a dual engine flame out. The got a partial
> power
> back by the time they came across the field. As the tried to climb out,
> the
> flamed out a second time and put it down in Lake Michigan. It floated
> since
> it has a clam shell door. It floated two days unit it was lifted out and
> put on a truck to go to Midway.
>
>
> Lear Jet and most small Jet including turbo props Including TC, need Prist
> as an anti ice that keep the water in solution in the jet fuel.
>
>
> The other experience was in the mid 1990's during a test of some Jet A
> pumping one winter day. It was well below 0 the night before and the fuel
> and tanks was cold soaked. The Jet A fuel we used had lost of water in
> it.
> We used the fuel to flush out the new equipment and test the operation of
> Jet A bulk pumping equipment to fill refueler trucks.
>
>
> The system slowed down and stopped flowing. We shut down and started
> taking
> things apart. We removed the line strainer on Jet Single point nozzle and
> found the screen full of ice. It was a thin film of ice the completely
> stopped the 200 GPM flow.
>
>
> In looking at the fuel in a clear jar, we could see ice in the form of
> what
> looked like snow flakes suspended in the Jet A.
>
> The water was freezing into a solid and did not settle out. The water was
> so small it floated in the water. When it got cold enough, it froze.
>
>
> Dan, I was under the impression that most large airliners did not need
> Prist, because they have fuel heaters to deal with the low temperatures at
> altitude?
>
>
> We shipped some Jet A filter/separators to Antarctica. They use a special
> Jet fuel that is rated down to -78.
>
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> www.firstfueling.com
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:54 PM, W J R HAMILTON wrote:
>
>
> For the Avgas Burners.
> In brief, there are two common civil jet fuels, Jet A and Jet A-1, with
> different freeze temperatures ( and a host of Mil. fuels, from JP-4 (aka
> Jet
> B) though -5,-6.-7 -8)
> The significance of -37C is that it is a 3 degree pad on the freeze
> temperature of Jet A, so that is where the warning is set on most modern
> aircraft. At high Mach numbers, there is quite a temperature ram rise, the
> difference between OAT/SAT and "Total Air temperature" TAT. Very roughly
> TAT
> is OAT plus ram rise.
> If the fuel gets cold enough, you either have to increase Mach No. (ram
> rise) or find a warner air mass, generally but not always by descending,
> depending where the tropopause height happens to be, depending on
> latitude,
> season and the particular weather pattern on the day.
>
> The coldest air masses I have consistently found are over Russia/CIS
> states
> in winter, even colder than the certification envelope of Boeing
> aircraft,
> and significantly colder than any air masses over US/Canada, and colder
> than
> the ICAO standard atmosphere/textbooks suggest will be found.
>
> Such very cold temperatures bring with them a whole host of possibilities,
> not limited to the fuel going solid.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton ( QANTAS Retired)
>
>
> _____
>
>
> At 00:18 2/02/2008, you wrote:
>
> Put into terms a piston driver could understand, you kerosene burners
> monitor enroute fuel temps as a flight parameter? -37c seems like it must
> be
> quite common?
>
> Higher Mach number because of lower altitude?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: W J R HAMILTON <mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
> Folks,
>
> Anybody interested can download the progressive reports from the UK at
> http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident_to_boeing_777_236__g_ymmm__a
> t_heathrow_airport_on_17_january_2008___initial_report_update.cfm
>
> As a matter of interest, the air masses over Russia/CIS/Eastern Europe
> were
> particularly cold that morning, aircraft were having to come as low as
> FL250, and maintain higher than LRC Mach No. to maintain fuel temps.
> warmer
> then -37C.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> _____
>
>
> At 14:13 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>
> I got this from a friend and thought you would like it.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Subject: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> I recently received this from a Retied DL Colleague. I do not know the
> identity of the author. I have done some small bit of editing for my non
> pilot friends.
>
> Ken
>
>
> Heard from a friend regarding the U.K. 777 crash. As I recall this
> aircraft
> had Trent engines built by Rolls Royce.
>
> ******************************
>
> *********************************
>
>
> This is part of a message forwarded to me:
>
> Had the pleasure of chatting with a member of the NTSB board last night at
> dinner. Here is what he shared. Aircraft was at 600 ft agl (Above Ground
> Level ) when the right engine (RPM) started to roll back to slightly
> above
> flight
>
> idle.
>
>
> The First Officer was flying and auto throttles were engaged. The auto
> throttles moved the throttles up to catch the deceleration in airspeed.
> The
> right engine did not respond to the movement of the auto throttles. The
> First Officer disengaged the auto throttles and manually moved both
> throttles to max power as the Captain joined him and they both applied
> emergency power. Within 8 seconds of the right engine rolling back to just
> above flight idle the left engine did the exact same thing. The engines
> never changed RPM from that point till ground contact. The F/O continued
> flying and kept nibbling on the stick shaker to clear a hill just prior to
> the impact point. Apparently the crew is being hailed as heroes for their
> performance.
>
>
> The two areas under investigation are fuel that was uplifted in China. Ice
> in the fuel is a consideration and they are running chemical test at this
> time. The other area is engine software. So far they can confirm that
> everything from the throttles to the ECC's worked as it should. Its the
> info
> from the ECC's to the fuel controller that is in question. This aircraft
> had just had a software update 2 days earlier
>
>
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> Release Date: 2/3/2008 5:49 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:51:39 AM PST US
> From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
>
> Dan;
>
> Do you think this might help counter the girl playing golf?
>
> http://www2.b3ta.com:80/host/creative/61345/1200695510/runway.gif
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Farmer
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:13 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: BA38-777
>
>
> Mr. Bill
>
> If you are saying at -40 jet A turns solid in the tanks I must
> respectfully disagree. It would after several hours but it would take
> along time, just like it will take a tank of water to freeze solid at
> 32F. It would have a tendancy to clog filters, I doubt that fuel lines
> would freeze as you know fuel lines are quite large with lots of flow.
> There is no provistion to select fuel heat on a 777 with Rolls engines
> and I doubt it is automatically selected with out some form of notice to
> the pilots. As you recall putting on fuel heat raises the temp of
> engine oil significantly. In our training and manuals there is no
> mention of fuel heat. The only mention of treatment is to find warmer
> altitude or increase speed. Buy the way I had to research JA1 for
> freeze point and it is -47C.
>
> Someone on the site stated that he thought temp at high flight levels
> would be much lower than -37C and that is correct. A pretty accurate
> guide to Stand temp in the flight levels is to double the altitude and
> sub 15, ie at FL350 35 X 2 = 70 - 15 = - 55C. Ram rise or increase
> in skin temp at .80/.84 mach is in the area of 30 deg C.
>
> As I mentioned in last post was in school and sim last week. Tried to
> duplicate BA 38 with what we guessed to be weight and wind. It took
> several attempts to get to the first foot of the runway with a very hard
> touch down. They did a hell of a good job--especially with that gal
> playing topless golf off to the side.
>
> dan
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> 2/4/2008 10:10 AM
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:07:33 PM PST US
> From: "Steve W" <steve2@sover.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777 Fuel Question
>
> Is it possible that a Chinese distributor was playing fast and loose
> with the fuel, and 'extending' it with something cheaper? Or does a
> foreign carrier in China have complete control over the process so that
> couldn't happen.... And could introduction of cheaper stock degrade
> cold-weather performance enough to cause problems?
>
> Damn near everything I've purchased made in China has been crap. The
> situation where the some Chinese pharmaceutical companies were swapping
> industrial chemicals in cough syrup come to mind. Is the fuel stock
> protected, or are the carriers at the mercy of local suppliers?
>
> (Bought a metal cut-off saw yesterday. Both Rigid and Dewalt now made in
> China?)
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Farmer
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:13 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: BA38-777
>
>
> Mr. Bill
>
> If you are saying at -40 jet A turns solid in the tanks I must
> respectfully disagree. It would after several hours but it would take
> along time, just like it will take a tank of water to freeze solid at
> 32F. It would have a tendancy to clog filters, I doubt that fuel lines
> would freeze as you know fuel lines are quite large with lots of flow.
> There is no provistion to select fuel heat on a 777 with Rolls engines
> and I doubt it is automatically selected with out some form of notice to
> the pilots. As you recall putting on fuel heat raises the temp of
> engine oil significantly. In our training and manuals there is no
> mention of fuel heat. The only mention of treatment is to find warmer
> altitude or increase speed. Buy the way I had to research JA1 for
> freeze point and it is -47C.
>
> Someone on the site stated that he thought temp at high flight levels
> would be much lower than -37C and that is correct. A pretty accurate
> guide to Stand temp in the flight levels is to double the altitude and
> sub 15, ie at FL350 35 X 2 = 70 - 15 = - 55C. Ram rise or increase
> in skin temp at .80/.84 mach is in the area of 30 deg C.
>
> As I mentioned in last post was in school and sim last week. Tried to
> duplicate BA 38 with what we guessed to be weight and wind. It took
> several attempts to get to the first foot of the runway with a very hard
> touch down. They did a hell of a good job--especially with that gal
> playing topless golf off to the side.
>
> dan
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:34:20 PM PST US
> From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
> Don-
>
> I think you are correct here. My recollection is that the MD80 and (very
> occasionally) the 727 would develop thick frost on the wing surface as a
> result of carrying very cold fuel down into a destination with a humid
> atmosphere. This was not much of an issue for the 727, but required some
> special procedure or other (that i do not recall) for the MD80.....
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> Jim;
>
> I vaguely remember that, but wasn't that ice on the outside of the wing
> caused by super cooled fuel.
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JTAddington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> My memory is not the best but if I remember right when the MD-80 came out
> they had ice problems when the aircraft came down from altitude and landed
> at a cold airport and than went back to altitude. I have forgotten how
> they
> fixed the problem. I had moved on when we got the MD-80 so am not sure
> exactly what the problem really was.
>
> Jim Addington
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> I have had several experiences with Jet A and ice.
>
> The first was in 1966. I worked the summer at Meigs Field, Chicago, (now
> gone). A new Lear Jet had a dual engine flame out. The got a partial
> power
> back by the time they came across the field. As the tried to climb out,
> the
> flamed out a second time and put it down in Lake Michigan. It floated
> since
> it has a clam shell door. It floated two days unit it was lifted out and
> put on a truck to go to Midway.
>
>
> Lear Jet and most small Jet including turbo props Including TC, need Prist
> as an anti ice that keep the water in solution in the jet fuel.
>
>
> The other experience was in the mid 1990's during a test of some Jet A
> pumping one winter day. It was well below 0 the night before and the fuel
> and tanks was cold soaked. The Jet A fuel we used had lost of water in
> it.
> We used the fuel to flush out the new equipment and test the operation of
> Jet A bulk pumping equipment to fill refueler trucks.
>
>
> The system slowed down and stopped flowing. We shut down and started
> taking
> things apart. We removed the line strainer on Jet Single point nozzle and
> found the screen full of ice. It was a thin film of ice the completely
> stopped the 200 GPM flow.
>
>
> In looking at the fuel in a clear jar, we could see ice in the form of
> what
> looked like snow flakes suspended in the Jet A.
>
> The water was freezing into a solid and did not settle out. The water was
> so small it floated in the water. When it got cold enough, it froze.
>
>
> Dan, I was under the impression that most large airliners did not need
> Prist, because they have fuel heaters to deal with the low temperatures at
> altitude?
>
>
> We shipped some Jet A filter/separators to Antarctica. They use a special
> Jet fuel that is rated down to -78.
>
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> www.firstfueling.com
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:54 PM, W J R HAMILTON wrote:
>
>
> For the Avgas Burners.
> In brief, there are two common civil jet fuels, Jet A and Jet A-1, with
> different freeze temperatures ( and a host of Mil. fuels, from JP-4 (aka
> Jet
> B) though -5,-6.-7 -8)
> The significance of -37C is that it is a 3 degree pad on the freeze
> temperature of Jet A, so that is where the warning is set on most modern
> aircraft. At high Mach numbers, there is quite a temperature ram rise, the
> difference between OAT/SAT and "Total Air temperature" TAT. Very roughly
> TAT
> is OAT plus ram rise.
> If the fuel gets cold enough, you either have to increase Mach No. (ram
> rise) or find a warner air mass, generally but not always by descending,
> depending where the tropopause height happens to be, depending on
> latitude,
> season and the particular weather pattern on the day.
>
> The coldest air masses I have consistently found are over Russia/CIS
> states
> in winter, even colder than the certification envelope of Boeing
> aircraft,
> and significantly colder than any air masses over US/Canada, and colder
> than
> the ICAO standard atmosphere/textbooks suggest will be found.
>
> Such very cold temperatures bring with them a whole host of possibilities,
> not limited to the fuel going solid.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton ( QANTAS Retired)
>
>
> _____
>
>
> At 00:18 2/02/2008, you wrote:
>
>
> Put into terms a piston driver could understand, you kerosene burners
> monitor enroute fuel temps as a flight parameter? -37c seems like it must
> be
> quite common?
>
> Higher Mach number because of lower altitude?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: W J R HAMILTON <mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
> Folks,
>
> Anybody interested can download the progressive reports from the UK at
> http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident_to_boeing_777_236__g_ymmm__a
> t_heathrow_airport_on_17_january_2008___initial_report_update.cfm
>
> As a matter of interest, the air masses over Russia/CIS/Eastern Europe
> were
> particularly cold that morning, aircraft were having to come as low as
> FL250, and maintain higher than LRC Mach No. to maintain fuel temps.
> warmer
> then -37C.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> _____
>
>
> At 14:13 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>
>
> I got this from a friend and thought you would like it.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Subject: Gastwick B-777 Info
>
>
> I recently received this from a Retied DL Colleague. I do not know the
> identity of the author. I have done some small bit of editing for my non
> pilot friends.
>
> Ken
>
>
> Heard from a friend regarding the U.K. 777 crash. As I recall this
> aircraft
> had Trent engines built by Rolls Royce.
>
> ******************************
>
> *********************************
>
>
> This is part of a message forwarded to me:
>
> Had the pleasure of chatting with a member of the NTSB board last night at
> dinner. Here is what he shared. Aircraft was at 600 ft agl (Above Ground
> Level ) when the right engine (RPM) started to roll back to slightly
> above
> flight
>
> idle.
>
>
> The First Officer was flying and auto throttles were engaged. The auto
> throttles moved the throttles up to catch the deceleration in airspeed.
> The
> right engine did not respond to the movement of the auto throttles. The
> First Officer disengaged the auto throttles and manually moved both
> throttles to max power as the Captain joined him and they both applied
> emergency power. Within 8 seconds of the right engine rolling back to just
> above flight idle the left engine did the exact same thing. The engines
> never changed RPM from that point till ground contact. The F/O continued
> flying and kept nibbling on the stick shaker to clear a hill just prior to
> the impact point. Apparently the crew is being hailed as heroes for their
> performance.
>
>
> The two areas under investigation are fuel that was uplifted in China. Ice
> in the fuel is a consideration and they are running chemical test at this
> time. The other area is engine software. So far they can confirm that
> everything from the throttles to the ECC's worked as it should. Its the
> info
> from the ECC's to the fuel controller that is in question. This aircraft
> had just had a software update 2 days earlier
>
>
> href=" <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> href=" <http://forums.matronics.com/>
> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
> ">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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> ">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
> s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
> bution
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
> s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Wow John, that's quite spectacular. We are BIG tennis fans and players. Not
at your level, but we have lots of fun. My mom Lucy Dettmer has been ranked
number 1 in the nation (USTA) in 70's 75's and 80's in doubles and singles.
She is currently ranked number 1 in 85's. She is 87 years old. Her regular
doubles partner is Dodo Cheney, who was inducted into the Tennis Hall of
Fame along with Andre Agassi a couple of years ago. She plays regularly
along with my Dad (who is also a good player). We are very proud of them
both. What's your Mom's name, so we watch for her..?? Will she be down at
the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells..?? We have a time-share across the
street from the tournament, and will be down there for the event this year.
I am hoping that my Commander will be flying by that time.
RD
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
Hi Nico,
My mother is a senior umpire with the ATP men's pro tennis tour in the
US. She is Chief of Officials for many of the year's events. Starting in
1980 by umpiring local matches, she eventually (by '85 or so) became the
highest ranked female chair umpire in the US and one of the top 2 or 3
in the world. She's chaired finals, on center court, in all 4 majors;
French, Wimbledon, Australian, & US Opens. She's chaired for every major
name you can think of, starting with Chris Evert / Bjorn Borg through
today's best. In the last couple of years she's backed off and turned
mostly to administrative work (gotta make room for the younger fresher
umps...kinda like the age-60 [65?] rule) but still chairs matches at the
US Open.
She's in S.A. for the event there, I think it's sponsored by South
African Airways. She told me after last year's event (her first there)
that she liked the SAA people very much. Evidently they actually have a
couple of competent senior execs.....which would be quite refreshing in
the airline biz I would imagine.
Anyway, I was raised as a tennis brat. I played competitively for about
15 years and was......good. I probably would never have been
world-class, but I could have made a living at it if I enjoyed it, which
I really didn't. I'm a golf addict and prefer that sport, especially as
many of the good courses here in the US can be reached easily by Commander!
Cheers,
/John
nico css wrote:
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet with
> that combination.
> Tell us more about your mother, John.
> ;-D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London, South
> Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South African
> professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a Commander Person,
she
> is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander at Van Nuys |
Nico;
Are you eating cherries and blueberries and drinking cherry juice?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I
had a gout attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out
there this week and report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
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-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to
try and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of
where Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst
Street. The image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position
where I noted the Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about
where a reddish coloured a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be
located? I you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to
happen to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground
training outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Commander at Van Nuys |
Yes, I do. Cherry juice. Apparently the sugared cherries are not helpful. I
also take a couple of colchicines every day (washing it down with a scotch
just to keep things even is apparently also not helpful).
I cut back on red wine and drink more water than before.
It all seems to get back to normal which is good news for me because it's a
first for me. It was really scary.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Nico;
Are you eating cherries and blueberries and drinking cherry juice?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Barry,
Yes, you are right, I offered to go to Van Nuys and check it out. I had a
gout attack and have been out of action for a bit. I'll go out there this
week and report back. Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi Nico,
I may have got the wrong end of the stick here, but were you going to try
and find this "mystery" Commander at Van Nuys?
If so, the guy who saw it reckons the location is:
"The Commander/Beech 18 location is situated just below (south) of where
Saticoy Street running W-E curves North and becomes Hayvenhurst Street. The
image on Google Earth shows a Beech 18 in the position where I noted the
Aero Commander. The Beech 18 was positioned about where a reddish coloured
a/c is shown on Google Earth."
If not, apologies for asking!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
eh, Sorry. Do you have any idea more or less where it would be located? I
you don't, I could just scan the airport from space.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander at Van Nuys
Hi All,
Within the last few weeks, what was reported as an "early Commander"
(presumably a "Bathtub" model) was noted at Van Nuys in poor/incomplete
condition and stripped to bare metal.
It was next to a Beech 18 in the same condition.
Does anyone know the identity of the Commander and what is likely to happen
to it?
The guy wondered if they were perhaps linked to a repair or ground training
outfit.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Business & Commercial Aviation article |
Hi Folks,
The February issue of Business & Commercial Aviation magazine came in today
and it has an article on the Turbo Commanders. The article which seems to be
fairly written starts on page 120.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a living
playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for me. Not for a
lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well, just not there. I
still play and have won a couple of stuff, still playing for the fun of it
(enjoying seeing younger folks throwing their rackets), and so on. Maybe we
can hit some balls some day. A Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
Commander and tennis nut.
Great stuff on this list.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
--> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Wow John, that's quite spectacular. We are BIG tennis fans and players. Not
at your level, but we have lots of fun. My mom Lucy Dettmer has been ranked
number 1 in the nation (USTA) in 70's 75's and 80's in doubles and singles.
She is currently ranked number 1 in 85's. She is 87 years old. Her regular
doubles partner is Dodo Cheney, who was inducted into the Tennis Hall of
Fame along with Andre Agassi a couple of years ago. She plays regularly
along with my Dad (who is also a good player). We are very proud of them
both. What's your Mom's name, so we watch for her..?? Will she be down at
the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells..?? We have a time-share across the
street from the tournament, and will be down there for the event this year.
I am hoping that my Commander will be flying by that time.
RD
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
Hi Nico,
My mother is a senior umpire with the ATP men's pro tennis tour in the US.
She is Chief of Officials for many of the year's events. Starting in 1980 by
umpiring local matches, she eventually (by '85 or so) became the highest
ranked female chair umpire in the US and one of the top 2 or 3 in the world.
She's chaired finals, on center court, in all 4 majors; French, Wimbledon,
Australian, & US Opens. She's chaired for every major name you can think of,
starting with Chris Evert / Bjorn Borg through today's best. In the last
couple of years she's backed off and turned mostly to administrative work
(gotta make room for the younger fresher umps...kinda like the age-60 [65?]
rule) but still chairs matches at the US Open.
She's in S.A. for the event there, I think it's sponsored by South African
Airways. She told me after last year's event (her first there) that she
liked the SAA people very much. Evidently they actually have a couple of
competent senior execs.....which would be quite refreshing in the airline
biz I would imagine.
Anyway, I was raised as a tennis brat. I played competitively for about
15 years and was......good. I probably would never have been world-class,
but I could have made a living at it if I enjoyed it, which I really didn't.
I'm a golf addict and prefer that sport, especially as many of the good
courses here in the US can be reached easily by Commander!
Cheers,
/John
nico css wrote:
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet
> with that combination.
> Tell us more about your mother, John.
> ;-D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
> --> <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London,
> South Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South
> African professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a
> Commander Person,
she
> is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
>
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Not to speak out of turn, but I seem to remember that John Towner was quite
a tennis player in the day.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:03 PM
Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a living
playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for me. Not for a
lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well, just not there. I
still play and have won a couple of stuff, still playing for the fun of it
(enjoying seeing younger folks throwing their rackets), and so on. Maybe we
can hit some balls some day. A Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
Commander and tennis nut.
Great stuff on this list.
Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Wow Randy, your mom kicks butt!
My mom's name is Joan V. She is the Chief at Indian Wells, I've been to
every event there since....forever. I'll be there this year too,
although at a local golf course rather than the tennis. I usually stop
in at the tennis center for a few visits of course.
Maybe we should have dinner while you're there. And I certainly hope to
see your commander on the ramp at Bermuda Dunes!
Cheers,
/John
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> Wow John, that's quite spectacular. We are BIG tennis fans and players. Not
> at your level, but we have lots of fun. My mom Lucy Dettmer has been ranked
> number 1 in the nation (USTA) in 70's 75's and 80's in doubles and singles.
> She is currently ranked number 1 in 85's. She is 87 years old. Her regular
> doubles partner is Dodo Cheney, who was inducted into the Tennis Hall of
> Fame along with Andre Agassi a couple of years ago. She plays regularly
> along with my Dad (who is also a good player). We are very proud of them
> both. What's your Mom's name, so we watch for her..?? Will she be down at
> the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells..?? We have a time-share across the
> street from the tournament, and will be down there for the event this year.
> I am hoping that my Commander will be flying by that time.
>
> RD
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:53 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
>
> Hi Nico,
>
> My mother is a senior umpire with the ATP men's pro tennis tour in the
> US. She is Chief of Officials for many of the year's events. Starting in
> 1980 by umpiring local matches, she eventually (by '85 or so) became the
> highest ranked female chair umpire in the US and one of the top 2 or 3
> in the world. She's chaired finals, on center court, in all 4 majors;
> French, Wimbledon, Australian, & US Opens. She's chaired for every major
> name you can think of, starting with Chris Evert / Bjorn Borg through
> today's best. In the last couple of years she's backed off and turned
> mostly to administrative work (gotta make room for the younger fresher
> umps...kinda like the age-60 [65?] rule) but still chairs matches at the
> US Open.
>
> She's in S.A. for the event there, I think it's sponsored by South
> African Airways. She told me after last year's event (her first there)
> that she liked the SAA people very much. Evidently they actually have a
> couple of competent senior execs.....which would be quite refreshing in
> the airline biz I would imagine.
>
> Anyway, I was raised as a tennis brat. I played competitively for about
> 15 years and was......good. I probably would never have been
> world-class, but I could have made a living at it if I enjoyed it, which
> I really didn't. I'm a golf addict and prefer that sport, especially as
> many of the good courses here in the US can be reached easily by Commander!
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> nico css wrote:
>
>>
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>> Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet with
>> that combination.
>> Tell us more about your mother, John.
>> ;-D
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Vormbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London, South
>> Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South African
>> professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a Commander Person,
>>
> she
>
>> is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> /John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Nico, I have that same talent problem. It was there, but not in the
quantity I needed it!
nico css wrote:
>
> Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a living
> playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for me. Not for a
> lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well, just not there. I
> still play and have won a couple of stuff, still playing for the fun of it
> (enjoying seeing younger folks throwing their rackets), and so on. Maybe we
> can hit some balls some day. A Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
>
> Commander and tennis nut.
>
> Great stuff on this list.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Dettmer, AIA
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:39 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
> --> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
> Wow John, that's quite spectacular. We are BIG tennis fans and players. Not
> at your level, but we have lots of fun. My mom Lucy Dettmer has been ranked
> number 1 in the nation (USTA) in 70's 75's and 80's in doubles and singles.
> She is currently ranked number 1 in 85's. She is 87 years old. Her regular
> doubles partner is Dodo Cheney, who was inducted into the Tennis Hall of
> Fame along with Andre Agassi a couple of years ago. She plays regularly
> along with my Dad (who is also a good player). We are very proud of them
> both. What's your Mom's name, so we watch for her..?? Will she be down at
> the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells..?? We have a time-share across the
> street from the tournament, and will be down there for the event this year.
> I am hoping that my Commander will be flying by that time.
>
> RD
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:53 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
>
> Hi Nico,
>
> My mother is a senior umpire with the ATP men's pro tennis tour in the US.
> She is Chief of Officials for many of the year's events. Starting in 1980 by
> umpiring local matches, she eventually (by '85 or so) became the highest
> ranked female chair umpire in the US and one of the top 2 or 3 in the world.
> She's chaired finals, on center court, in all 4 majors; French, Wimbledon,
> Australian, & US Opens. She's chaired for every major name you can think of,
> starting with Chris Evert / Bjorn Borg through today's best. In the last
> couple of years she's backed off and turned mostly to administrative work
> (gotta make room for the younger fresher umps...kinda like the age-60 [65?]
> rule) but still chairs matches at the US Open.
>
> She's in S.A. for the event there, I think it's sponsored by South African
> Airways. She told me after last year's event (her first there) that she
> liked the SAA people very much. Evidently they actually have a couple of
> competent senior execs.....which would be quite refreshing in the airline
> biz I would imagine.
>
> Anyway, I was raised as a tennis brat. I played competitively for about
> 15 years and was......good. I probably would never have been world-class,
> but I could have made a living at it if I enjoyed it, which I really didn't.
> I'm a golf addict and prefer that sport, especially as many of the good
> courses here in the US can be reached easily by Commander!
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> nico css wrote:
>
>>
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>> Tennnis and Commanders? Wow. I thought I was all alone on the planet
>> with that combination.
>> Tell us more about your mother, John.
>> ;-D
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Vormbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:40 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>>
>> --> <john@vormbaum.com>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Afrikaner Commander fans, are there any Commanders in East London,
>> South Africa? My mother is traveling there today to manage the South
>> African professional tennis event. Since she's the mother of a
>> Commander Person,
>>
> she
>
>> is a de facto Commander Person.....I thought I'd ask!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> /John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Yes, I got a personal email from John about that (remember, he still has
technical difficulties & can't post to the list). He won the Nat'l
Indoor Boys 16's at age 16, and even played some tennis with Arthur Ashe!
Perhaps we should put together a Commander team. There seems to be a
disproportionate amount of tennis talent on this list!
/John
Deneal Schilmeister wrote:
>
> Not to speak out of turn, but I seem to remember that John Towner was quite
> a tennis player in the day.
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://deneals.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:03 PM
>
>
> Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a living
> playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for me. Not for a
> lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well, just not there. I
> still play and have won a couple of stuff, still playing for the fun of it
> (enjoying seeing younger folks throwing their rackets), and so on. Maybe we
> can hit some balls some day. A Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
>
> Commander and tennis nut.
>
> Great stuff on this list.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
Message 25
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Well, I got to hang out with Bjorn Borg and one of the Gullickson brothers.
It was a pro-am and I had the money to pay for it, so no need to assume I
was that good. :-). I managed to save the photographs, though.
A Commander team beating up on Piper's Seneca's or Harmon Rockets would be
fun too. Milt, you belong to both lists, too, don't you?
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
Yes, I got a personal email from John about that (remember, he still has
technical difficulties & can't post to the list). He won the Nat'l Indoor
Boys 16's at age 16, and even played some tennis with Arthur Ashe!
Perhaps we should put together a Commander team. There seems to be a
disproportionate amount of tennis talent on this list!
/John
Deneal Schilmeister wrote:
> --> <deneals@deneals.com>
>
> Not to speak out of turn, but I seem to remember that John Towner was
> quite a tennis player in the day.
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://deneals.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:03 PM
>
> --> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a
> living playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for
> me. Not for a lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well,
> just not there. I still play and have won a couple of stuff, still
> playing for the fun of it (enjoying seeing younger folks throwing
> their rackets), and so on. Maybe we can hit some balls some day. A
Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
>
> Commander and tennis nut.
>
> Great stuff on this list.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Well, I'm off to bed now. I'm trying to knead in white wine i.o. red for the
sake of the gout. It'll take a bit of time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
Yes, I got a personal email from John about that (remember, he still has
technical difficulties & can't post to the list). He won the Nat'l Indoor
Boys 16's at age 16, and even played some tennis with Arthur Ashe!
Perhaps we should put together a Commander team. There seems to be a
disproportionate amount of tennis talent on this list!
/John
Deneal Schilmeister wrote:
> --> <deneals@deneals.com>
>
> Not to speak out of turn, but I seem to remember that John Towner was
> quite a tennis player in the day.
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://deneals.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:03 PM
>
> --> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a
> living playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for
> me. Not for a lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well,
> just not there. I still play and have won a couple of stuff, still
> playing for the fun of it (enjoying seeing younger folks throwing
> their rackets), and so on. Maybe we can hit some balls some day. A
Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
>
> Commander and tennis nut.
>
> Great stuff on this list.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.? |
Sometime I'll have to tell you about the wild night I spent partying
with Jimmy Connors & Vitas Gerulaitis, back in '92....
nico css wrote:
>
>
> Well, I got to hang out with Bjorn Borg and one of the Gullickson brothers.
> It was a pro-am and I had the money to pay for it, so no need to assume I
> was that good. :-). I managed to save the photographs, though.
>
> A Commander team beating up on Piper's Seneca's or Harmon Rockets would be
> fun too. Milt, you belong to both lists, too, don't you?
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:53 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any Commanders in E.London, S.A.?
>
>
> Yes, I got a personal email from John about that (remember, he still has
> technical difficulties & can't post to the list). He won the Nat'l Indoor
> Boys 16's at age 16, and even played some tennis with Arthur Ashe!
>
> Perhaps we should put together a Commander team. There seems to be a
> disproportionate amount of tennis talent on this list!
>
> /John
>
> Deneal Schilmeister wrote:
>
>> --> <deneals@deneals.com>
>>
>> Not to speak out of turn, but I seem to remember that John Towner was
>> quite a tennis player in the day.
>>
>> ___________________________
>> Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
>> St. Louis - Cincinnati
>> 1997 SL500
>> http://deneals.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nico css
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:03 PM
>>
>> --> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>>
>> Imagine. And we never shared thoughts on tennis. I tried to make a
>> living playing once, but I knew that it wasn't going to pan out for
>> me. Not for a lack of trying or training, but the talent is ... well,
>> just not there. I still play and have won a couple of stuff, still
>> playing for the fun of it (enjoying seeing younger folks throwing
>> their rackets), and so on. Maybe we can hit some balls some day. A
>>
> Commander team? We'll take on the Rockets.
>
>> Commander and tennis nut.
>>
>> Great stuff on this list.
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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