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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Gary Moshluk)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Brock Lorber)
6. 07:57 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (nico css)
8. 08:46 AM - WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 (Deneal Schilmeister)
9. 08:55 AM - Re: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 (Barry Collman)
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Hi Nico,
Well done Sir! Your help in this is very much appreciated.
It seems as though it's a short-wing Model, so will rule out being a 500, 560E,
680E or 720.
Not sure about the window being larger though.
Does this window area include an escape hatch, making the surround larger?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
| Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot
| these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from space.
|
| I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with no
| way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the
| registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious
| Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence.
|
| I will have to go during the week to get in.
|
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is
| visible in the background.)
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
|
| Thanks
|
| Nico
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Hi Nico,
If you do manage to find out the i/d of this Commander, could you also
try and find out the i/d of the Beech 18?
Not important for us guys, I know, but my friend would like to know!
In the past, I've usually found guys at these schools quite helpful.
They seem to like knowing that people take an interest.
Lastly, tell them that I will send them the complete history of their
Commander and that although I usually charge $500 for such service, I'll
make an exception in their case, for being so helpful ;-)
It's OK - we have enough food for another week or so!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Don,
|
| I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's
at an aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project.
| If I can convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get
some history from them about it's origin and what they plan to do with
it.
| It might be built up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity,
who knows.
| It's worth while remembering, if it's a school project, that this
class would be Commander trained.
|
| For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van
Nuys", tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-)
|
| Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Not being a confident (competent) cyberspace jockey, I have a mystery
Commander I need identified as well; how do I post pictures to the site?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
>
> I don't know my engines all that well, but based on the airbox visible in
> the picture, I have this gut feeling that it might be a straight 500. I'm
> probably wrong ;-).
>
> /John
>
> nico css wrote:
>> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at
>> an
>> aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I
>> can
>> convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history
>> from
>> them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be
>> built
>> up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth
>> while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be
>> Commander trained.
>>
>> For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van
>> Nuys",
>> tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-)
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
>>
>>
>> Nico;
>>
>> What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust
>> tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I
>> don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E.
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Don
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>>
>>> Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot
>>> these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from
>>> space.
>>>
>>> I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with
>>> no
>>> way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the
>>> registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious
>>> Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence.
>>>
>>> I will have to go during the week to get in.
>>>
>>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
>>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
>>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18
>>> is
>>> visible in the background.)
>>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>> 11:54 AM
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Hi Gary,
I'm not entirely certain, but I'm sure Nico will take you through the
process.
And, if you copy them to me, I'll have a stab at an i/d for you.
If you know the location and date they were taken, it will help.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<gmosh@charter.net>
|
| Not being a confident (competent) cyberspace jockey, I have a mystery
| Commander I need identified as well; how do I post pictures to the
site?
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:00 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
|
<john@vormbaum.com>
| >
| > I don't know my engines all that well, but based on the airbox
visible in
| > the picture, I have this gut feeling that it might be a straight
500. I'm
| > probably wrong ;-).
| >
| > /John
| >
| > nico css wrote:
| >> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| >>
| >> Don,
| >>
| >> I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention,
it's at
| >> an
| >> aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project.
If I
| >> can
| >> convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some
history
| >> from
| >> them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might
be
| >> built
| >> up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's
worth
| >> while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would
be
| >> Commander trained.
| >>
| >> For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of
Van
| >> Nuys",
| >> tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-)
| >>
| >> Nico
| >>
| >>
| >> -----Original Message-----
| >> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
| >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM
| >> To: commander-list@matronics.com
| >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
| >>
<dongirod@bellsouth.net>
| >>
| >> Nico;
| >>
| >> What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal
exhaust
| >> tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me
and I
| >> don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E.
| >>
| >> Just curious.
| >>
| >> Don
| >> ----- Original Message -----
| >> From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| >> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM
| >> Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>>
| >> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| >>
| >>> Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon
and shot
| >>> these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from
| >>> space.
| >>>
| >>> I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key
with
| >>> no
| >>> way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot
of the
| >>> registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a
mysterious
| >>> Commander for now. These shots were made through the security
fence.
| >>>
| >>> I will have to go during the week to get in.
| >>>
| >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
| >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
| >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The
beech 18
| >>> is
| >>> visible in the background.)
| >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
| >>>
| >>> Thanks
| >>>
| >>> Nico
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>>
| >> 11:54 AM
| >>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
There's still the option of calling Matt Jackson who has had his crew
working on this Commander for a few years.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sun 2/10/2008 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Nico,
Well done Sir! Your help in this is very much appreciated.
It seems as though it's a short-wing Model, so will rule out being a
500, 560E,
680E or 720.
Not sure about the window being larger though.
Does this window area include an escape hatch, making the surround
larger?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and
shot
| these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from
space.
|
| I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with
no
| way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of
the
| registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious
| Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence.
|
| I will have to go during the week to get in.
|
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech
18 is
| visible in the background.)
| http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
|
| Thanks
|
| Nico
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Hi again Nico,
I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18
aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be
N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley
Occupational Aviation Center".
Does that name tie in with where you visited?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Don,
|
| I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's
at an
| aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I
can
| convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history
from
| them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be
built
| up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's
worth
| while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be
| Commander trained.
|
| For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van
Nuys",
| tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-)
|
| Nico
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
|
| Nico;
|
| What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal
exhaust
| tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and
I
| don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E.
|
| Just curious.
|
| Don
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
|
| <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| >
| > Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and
shot
| > these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from
space.
| >
| > I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key
with no
| > way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of
the
| > registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious
| > Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence.
| >
| > I will have to go during the week to get in.
| >
| > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
| > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
| > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech
18 is
| > visible in the background.)
| > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| > Nico
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| 11:54 AM
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Mysterious Van Nuys Commander |
Yup, That's exactly the place. Good job! I didn't mention it 'cause I
thought nobody would know it anyway. It just goes to show, huh?
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
Hi again Nico,
I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18
aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be N9112,
Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational
Aviation Center".
Does that name tie in with where you visited?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" < <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> nico@cybersuperstore.com>
|
| Don,
|
| I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at
an
| aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I can
| convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history
from
| them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be built
| up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth
| while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be
| Commander trained.
|
| For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van
Nuys",
| tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-)
|
| Nico
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: <mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM
| To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
<mailto:dongirod@bellsouth.net> dongirod@bellsouth.net>
|
| Nico;
|
| What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust
| tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I
| don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E.
|
| Just curious.
|
| Don
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "nico css" < <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| To: < <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander
|
|
| < <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> nico@cybersuperstore.com>
| >
| > Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot
| > these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from
space.
| >
| > I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with
no
| > way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the
| > registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious
| > Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence.
| >
| > I will have to go during the week to get in.
| >
| > <http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg>
http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg
| > <http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg>
http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg
| > <http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg>
http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is
| > visible in the background.)
| > <http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg>
http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| > Nico
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| 11:54 AM
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 |
So, Sir Barry...
Wouldn't you agree that being a BE18 historian is a more intensive
avocation
than being a Commander historian?
So many models, so many conversions, turbine PT6 and turbine Garretts..
And
close to 30 years of production
One of my best days in aviation.. The day after I passed my 135 check
ride
in a BE 18; when I got a different job flying a new Piper Cheyenne.
Never
had to take a trip in the BE18. But it WAS fun to fly!
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:57 AM
Hi again Nico,
I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18
aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be
N9112,
Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational
Aviation Center".
Does that name tie in with where you visited?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 |
Hi Deneal,
Well, probably, yes.
You see, I'm lazy by nature, so chose an easy type.
Thought I'd have it buttoned up in a couple of years.
40 years later .............
I bet the Be18 doesn't have the number of histories shrouded in mystery
by the actions of drug runners though!
Perhaps the Cessna 150 would have been a better bet ;-)
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Commander-List: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18
So, Sir Barry...
Wouldn't you agree that being a BE18 historian is a more intensive
avocation than being a Commander historian?
So many models, so many conversions, turbine PT6 and turbine
Garretts.. And close to 30 years of production
One of my best days in aviation.. The day after I passed my 135 check
ride in a BE 18; when I got a different job flying a new Piper Cheyenne.
Never had to take a trip in the BE18. But it WAS fun to fly!
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:57 AM
Hi again Nico,
I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18
aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be
N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley
Occupational Aviation Center".
Does that name tie in with where you visited?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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