---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/10/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman) 2. 06:56 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Gary Moshluk) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman) 5. 07:42 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Brock Lorber) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (Barry Collman) 7. 08:27 AM - Re: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander (nico css) 8. 08:46 AM - WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 (Deneal Schilmeister) 9. 08:55 AM - Re: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 (Barry Collman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:30 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi Nico, Well done Sir! Your help in this is very much appreciated. It seems as though it's a short-wing Model, so will rule out being a 500, 560E, 680E or 720. Not sure about the window being larger though. Does this window area include an escape hatch, making the surround larger? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot | these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from space. | | I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with no | way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the | registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious | Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. | | I will have to go during the week to get in. | | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is | visible in the background.) | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg | | Thanks | | Nico | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:34 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi Nico, If you do manage to find out the i/d of this Commander, could you also try and find out the i/d of the Beech 18? Not important for us guys, I know, but my friend would like to know! In the past, I've usually found guys at these schools quite helpful. They seem to like knowing that people take an interest. Lastly, tell them that I will send them the complete history of their Commander and that although I usually charge $500 for such service, I'll make an exception in their case, for being so helpful ;-) It's OK - we have enough food for another week or so! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | Don, | | I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at an aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. | If I can convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history from them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. | It might be built up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. | It's worth while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be Commander trained. | | For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van Nuys", tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-) | | Nico ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:14 AM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Not being a confident (competent) cyberspace jockey, I have a mystery Commander I need identified as well; how do I post pictures to the site? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander > > I don't know my engines all that well, but based on the airbox visible in > the picture, I have this gut feeling that it might be a straight 500. I'm > probably wrong ;-). > > /John > > nico css wrote: >> >> >> Don, >> >> I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at >> an >> aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I >> can >> convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history >> from >> them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be >> built >> up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth >> while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be >> Commander trained. >> >> For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van >> Nuys", >> tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-) >> >> Nico >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander >> >> >> Nico; >> >> What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust >> tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I >> don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E. >> >> Just curious. >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nico css" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM >> Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot >>> these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from >>> space. >>> >>> I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with >>> no >>> way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the >>> registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious >>> Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. >>> >>> I will have to go during the week to get in. >>> >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 >>> is >>> visible in the background.) >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Nico >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> 11:54 AM >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:15 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi Gary, I'm not entirely certain, but I'm sure Nico will take you through the process. And, if you copy them to me, I'll have a stab at an i/d for you. If you know the location and date they were taken, it will help. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Moshluk" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | Not being a confident (competent) cyberspace jockey, I have a mystery | Commander I need identified as well; how do I post pictures to the site? | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "John Vormbaum" | To: | Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:00 AM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | | > | > I don't know my engines all that well, but based on the airbox visible in | > the picture, I have this gut feeling that it might be a straight 500. I'm | > probably wrong ;-). | > | > /John | > | > nico css wrote: | >> | >> | >> Don, | >> | >> I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at | >> an | >> aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I | >> can | >> convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history | >> from | >> them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be | >> built | >> up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth | >> while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be | >> Commander trained. | >> | >> For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van | >> Nuys", | >> tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-) | >> | >> Nico | >> | >> | >> -----Original Message----- | >> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don | >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM | >> To: commander-list@matronics.com | >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | >> | >> | >> Nico; | >> | >> What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust | >> tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I | >> don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E. | >> | >> Just curious. | >> | >> Don | >> ----- Original Message ----- | >> From: "nico css" | >> To: | >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM | >> Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | >> | >> | >> | >>> | >> | >> | >>> Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot | >>> these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from | >>> space. | >>> | >>> I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with | >>> no | >>> way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the | >>> registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious | >>> Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. | >>> | >>> I will have to go during the week to get in. | >>> | >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg | >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg | >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 | >>> is | >>> visible in the background.) | >>> http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg | >>> | >>> Thanks | >>> | >>> Nico | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> -- | >>> | >> 11:54 AM | >> | >>> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | >> | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander From: "Brock Lorber" There's still the option of calling Matt Jackson who has had his crew working on this Commander for a few years. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry Collman Sent: Sun 2/10/2008 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi Nico, Well done Sir! Your help in this is very much appreciated. It seems as though it's a short-wing Model, so will rule out being a 500, 560E, 680E or 720. Not sure about the window being larger though. Does this window area include an escape hatch, making the surround larger? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot | these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from space. | | I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with no | way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the | registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious | Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. | | I will have to go during the week to get in. | | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is | visible in the background.) | http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg | | Thanks | | Nico | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:19 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi again Nico, I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18 aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational Aviation Center". Does that name tie in with where you visited? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | Don, | | I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at an | aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I can | convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history from | them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be built | up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth | while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be | Commander trained. | | For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van Nuys", | tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-) | | Nico | | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don | Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | | Nico; | | What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust | tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I | don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E. | | Just curious. | | Don | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "nico css" | To: | Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM | Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | | | > | > Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot | > these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from space. | > | > I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with no | > way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the | > registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious | > Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. | > | > I will have to go during the week to get in. | > | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is | > visible in the background.) | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg | > | > Thanks | > | > Nico | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | 11:54 AM | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:34 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Yup, That's exactly the place. Good job! I didn't mention it 'cause I thought nobody would know it anyway. It just goes to show, huh? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Hi again Nico, I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18 aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational Aviation Center". Does that name tie in with where you visited? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" < nico@cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:42 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander nico@cybersuperstore.com> | | Don, | | I couldn't tell from my vantage point. What I forgot to mention, it's at an | aircraft mechanics' school and it appears to be a school-project. If I can | convince the school to allow me in next week, I might get some history from | them about it's origin and what they plan to do with it. It might be built | up and stripped down for each class in perpetuity, who knows. It's worth | while remembering, if it's a school project, that this class would be | Commander trained. | | For the next intriguing installment on "The Mystery Commander of Van Nuys", | tune back to this station. Perhaps as soon as next week. :-) | | Nico | | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don | Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | dongirod@bellsouth.net> | | Nico; | | What model is it? It kind of looked like maybe a 560 ( internal exhaust | tubes) but the large back window on the right side, that fooled me and I | don't believe it is quite as long between windows as my 560E. | | Just curious. | | Don | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "nico css" < nico@cybersuperstore.com> | To: < commander-list@matronics.com> | Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:24 PM | Subject: Commander-List: Mysterious Van Nuys Commander | | | < nico@cybersuperstore.com> | > | > Ok, I had a chance to go out to Van Nuys airport this afternoon and shot | > these pictures of the mysterious Commander that could be seen from space. | > | > I didn't factor in that the Commander would be under lock and key with no | > way to get in on a Saturday after hours, so I couldn't get a shot of the | > registration plate that's worth publishing. It remains a mysterious | > Commander for now. These shots were made through the security fence. | > | > I will have to go during the week to get in. | > | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00204.jpg | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00207.jpg | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00208.jpg (The beech 18 is | > visible in the background.) | > http://www.teletuition.org/videos/commanders/dsc00209.jpg | > | > Thanks | > | > Nico | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | 11:54 AM | > | > | | | | | | | | ========== | Commander-List browse | Archive and much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List | ========== | bsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com | ========== | bsp; - generous support! | bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution | ========== | | | | ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:37 AM PST US From: "Deneal Schilmeister" Subject: Commander-List: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 So, Sir Barry... Wouldn't you agree that being a BE18 historian is a more intensive avocation than being a Commander historian? So many models, so many conversions, turbine PT6 and turbine Garretts.. And close to 30 years of production One of my best days in aviation.. The day after I passed my 135 check ride in a BE 18; when I got a different job flying a new Piper Cheyenne. Never had to take a trip in the BE18. But it WAS fun to fly! ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:57 AM Hi again Nico, I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18 aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational Aviation Center". Does that name tie in with where you visited? Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:59 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 Hi Deneal, Well, probably, yes. You see, I'm lazy by nature, so chose an easy type. Thought I'd have it buttoned up in a couple of years. 40 years later ............. I bet the Be18 doesn't have the number of histories shrouded in mystery by the actions of drug runners though! Perhaps the Cessna 150 would have been a better bet ;-) Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Deneal Schilmeister To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Commander-List: WAS Mysterious Van Nuys Commander Now BE-18 So, Sir Barry... Wouldn't you agree that being a BE18 historian is a more intensive avocation than being a Commander historian? So many models, so many conversions, turbine PT6 and turbine Garretts.. And close to 30 years of production One of my best days in aviation.. The day after I passed my 135 check ride in a BE 18; when I got a different job flying a new Piper Cheyenne. Never had to take a trip in the BE18. But it WAS fun to fly! ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:57 AM Hi again Nico, I understand that my counterpart, covering the histories of Beech 18 aircraft, thinks that the one with the Commander at Van Nuys may be N9112, Serial Number A-546 and that it is with the "North Valley Occupational Aviation Center". Does that name tie in with where you visited? 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