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1. 04:03 AM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (Barry Collman)
2. 04:14 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (Barry Collman)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (N395V)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (Steve W)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Propeller Clamps (Harry Merritt)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens)
7. 08:35 AM - Commander-List Help also (TOMMY MATHIEU)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens)
9. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (mike floyd)
11. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (mike floyd)
12. 09:46 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (yourtcfg@aol.com)
13. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (yourtcfg@aol.com)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
15. 11:24 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (David Owens)
16. 11:46 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (Donnie Rose)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List Help also (Robert S. Randazzo)
18. 01:13 PM - Fly-In 2008 - The SPECIAL one (Barry Collman)
19. 04:25 PM - Fitna - From the Netherlands - About Islam (nico css)
20. 09:26 PM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (Deneal Schilmeister)
21. 10:32 PM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=)
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Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena
Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October
1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van
Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:39 AM
Subject: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
"SIR" BARRY....
I have a guy on my airport that swears John Wayne, the great actor
(and my hero) owned a Turbo Commander, the nN number ended in JW. He
was not a pilot so he had it flown. Ever hear this?? jb
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Hello All,
21 of the Model 500A were converted to 500B.
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of these were accomplished by The
ServiCenter at Bethany and they raised a Form 337 detailing the
conversion.
20 of these were accomplished under the authority of factory Engineering
Report No. G10-134, with one under an STC, No. SA459EA.
Interestingly, of the 99 Model 500A built, the first was also converted,
to become the first 680F and a further 31 were converted to Colemill
"Super 300" under STC Nos. SA340SO & SA366SO. The latter one authorised
an increase in MTOW to 6,530lb.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
I believe that you could do it as a minor modification. Several 500As
were converted to "B"s and I believe the work could be done with a
logbook entry. jb
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field
approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using
the parts manual as your substantiating data.
-----Original Message-----
From: mike floyd <floydgm@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 2:24 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
David,
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field
approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using
the parts manual as your substantiating data.
You will need the filter, hose, fittings, and shutoff valve for the
heater. Get the FAA's Instructions for continued airworthiness work
sheet and fill it out also. Then without putting a signature on the 337
submit it to the Feds and see what happens. Include a letter with this
application saying something like parts are no longer available to
support your aircraft.
Good luck and hope you are not in a big hurry.
Cheers
Mike
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From: dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:07 -0600
Mike,
Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them
in stock, but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe...
This must be a rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine...
hmmm... a new heater in the future that doesn't require the press.
relief valve... Thanks allot anyway!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry.
The questions/concerns would be ....
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your reasoning
for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off
fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of homebuilts
out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more complex than
we are discussing here.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
David as you probably remember, our B started life as an 'A'. We've got
extensive documentation whereas every single part that made the airframe an
'A', was replaced with 'B' parts. Everything, down to the tiniest detail is
documented. Nothing that made the airframe an A remained.
If you decided to go down this route, I can dig into the paperwork and
photocopy whatever seemed pertinent.... Or maybe just photocopy or scan the
whole STC?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
> <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook
> entry.
>
> The questions/concerns would be ....
>
> Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the
> innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
>
> Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or
> damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in
> your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
>
> Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut
> off fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands
> of homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs
> more complex than we are discussing here.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Propeller Clamps |
Good morning Randy.
Clamps are in orlando, Will be shiped to day by fedex
to American Propeller. I will sent tracking number when recieved.
The paper work was sent with the propeller. If lost will replace and
over night to you, per Mid florida propeller.
thank
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Thanks Harry,
I will be contacting them first thing in the morning for the Yellow
Tag fax & payment for services. I will also be transferring $3000 into
your account tomorrow for the clamps. Can you email an invoice for the
propeller..?? Thanks for you help.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry
Merritt
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:47 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Well the prop is ready to pick up.
total cost to you by the prop shop is $868.56 they take credit cards.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Hi Guys,
I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F. The
part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you can help
out. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Mike...
A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with
luck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this
unit. Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am
trying to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us
pretty bad about it. (WA_WA)...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
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Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Steve...
Steve..
About the only time they got the "Red Carpet" treatment was by the Customs
guys after flying a mission photographing the cable pulled by a seismic ship
for hours... They were in constant radio contact with ATC during the
mission, and landed in Corpus Christi for fuel, when up came this Navajo
full of flack jackets and M-16's... all pointed at them... hehehe... that's
another story. My uncle had to piss, and went right there on the ramp, of
the dismay of the agents... Whats really bad was these guys were based right
here at our little airport!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Sir Barry...
Thank you for this valuable information... Will keep it!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
Floats and Fuel Cells or TCAC.
http://www.ffcfuelcells.com/otheraircraft.html
Mike
From: tmathieu@msn.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Commander-Li
st: Commander-List Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:33:41 -0500
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy
MathieuN4XRAC-500S
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
I hope it works for you.
On the 337 you can submit it before performing the mod and wait for it to
be approved. Then mod the A/C.
Mike
From: dowens@aerialviewpoint.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re
: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?Date: Thu, 27 Mar 200
8 10:32:53 -0600
Mike...
A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with lu
ck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this unit.
Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am trying
to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us pretty bad ab
out it. (WA_WA)...
David OwensAerial ViewpointN14AVAC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Call Aro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb
-----Original Message-----
From: TOMMY MATHIEU <tmathieu@MSN.COM>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:33 am
Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does? anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S.?
I am needing the center and right wing tank.? Part numbers are 5630062-507
for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing.? I need these as soon as possible,
I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
?
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
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Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
As an IA, I have come to realize that not EVERYTHING is a MAJOR change.? The mere
fact that the 337 form says "Major repair or alteration" indicates?to me?that
there must also be?MINOR changes.? I feel the FAA has brow beaten most IAs
into submission and everyone is scared to death to change anything.? In my shop,
this would be a minor modification.? It still complies with the type certificate
data sheet ("A"s &"Bs" were built on the same tcds), all the pats are approved
from the mfg for there intended use and no major changes were required
to re plumb it.? "removed existing heater fuel pump, installed heater plumbing
I.A.W. Aerocommander parts & maintenance manual for model 500B airframe.? Operation
check normal, A/C is returned to service this date".? But hey, I am not
the FAA, soooooooooo.? jb
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a
TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your
reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
-----Original Message-----
From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 5:37 am
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry.
The questions/concerns would be ....
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a
TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your
reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off
fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of
homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more
complex than we are discussing here.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991
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Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
jb, sounds like a lot of these guys need to come to the fly in and get the
"support booklet". gmc
Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:28 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comCall A
ro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb-----Original Message-----From: TOMMY MAT
HIEU <tmathieu@MSN.COM>To: commander-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 27 Mar 20
08 8:33 amSubject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy
MathieuN4XRAC-500S
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Mason,
I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so,
as well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some
drinks for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys...
Really hope this years will be possible for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Tommy, I have an outboard and center fuel cell (new) for a 500B if it is the same.
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Original Message ----
From: TOMMY MATHIEU <tmathieu@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:33:41 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S.
I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 5630062-507
for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as soon as possible,
I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
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Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this year's
fly-in will be held?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Mason,
I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so, as
well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some drinks
for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys... Really hope this
years will be possible for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Fly-In 2008 - The SPECIAL one |
Hello All,
Hopefully, Capt JimBob will give us all the low-down on this year's
Fly-In before too long, but I'm pretty sure that the plan is that it
will be held at the Birthplace of all the production Commander Models,
Bethany-Wiley Post, Oklahoma (PWA).
The Flight Group really do need to make this one the BIGGEST event yet,
as it will mark the 60th Anniversary of the prototype Commander's First
Flight, which took place on April 23rd, 1948.
I'm pretty sure too that arrangements can be made for us all to go and
visit the prototype, the L-3805.
So please everyone, give your Commander the chance to be back at its
birthplace and meet dozens and dozens of its brothers (sisters?).
No doubt JimBob will confirm this and outline the dates soon.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this
year's fly-in will be held?
Robert S. Randazzo
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Subject: | Fitna - From the Netherlands - About Islam |
This is bone-chilling.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
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Wouldn't John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real
name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena
Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971,
when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Deneal,
Not to cast any aspersions on the Duke, but is "Marion" really a tough enough name
for a Commander Man? If you're going to own a Commander, you oughtta have
a name like John Wayne!
Heck, every time I climb into the left seat of my 500B, I feel a little bit tougher
than the average Joe.
Can't say I blame him for using his pseudonym. "Better put on your seat belt, pilgrim!"
/John
-----Original Message-----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals@deneals.com>
To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Wouldnt John Wayne the = actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real name,
Marion Michael = Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal = Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati=
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry = Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2008 6:02 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.co= m
Subject: Re: = Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi = JimBob,
Yes, it's = true!
Jointly with a Ken = Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park,
CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, = from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when
it was sold to distributor = Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of = these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best = Regards,
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