---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/27/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (Barry Collman) 2. 04:14 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (Barry Collman) 3. 05:39 AM - Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (N395V) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (Steve W) 5. 07:13 AM - Re: Propeller Clamps (Harry Merritt) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens) 7. 08:35 AM - Commander-List Help also (TOMMY MATHIEU) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens) 9. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (David Owens) 10. 08:54 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (mike floyd) 11. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (mike floyd) 12. 09:46 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (yourtcfg@aol.com) 13. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? (yourtcfg@aol.com) 14. 10:35 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 15. 11:24 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (David Owens) 16. 11:46 AM - Re: Commander-List Help also (Donnie Rose) 17. 11:49 AM - Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List Help also (Robert S. Randazzo) 18. 01:13 PM - Fly-In 2008 - The SPECIAL one (Barry Collman) 19. 04:25 PM - Fitna - From the Netherlands - About Islam (nico css) 20. 09:26 PM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (Deneal Schilmeister) 21. 10:32 PM - Re: JOHM WAYNE (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:01 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE Hi JimBob, Yes, it's true! Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA. Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:39 AM Subject: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE "SIR" BARRY.... I have a guy on my airport that swears John Wayne, the great actor (and my hero) owned a Turbo Commander, the nN number ended in JW. He was not a pilot so he had it flown. Ever hear this?? jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:53 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? Hello All, 21 of the Model 500A were converted to 500B. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of these were accomplished by The ServiCenter at Bethany and they raised a Form 337 detailing the conversion. 20 of these were accomplished under the authority of factory Engineering Report No. G10-134, with one under an STC, No. SA459EA. Interestingly, of the 99 Model 500A built, the first was also converted, to become the first 680F and a further 31 were converted to Colemill "Super 300" under STC Nos. SA340SO & SA366SO. The latter one authorised an increase in MTOW to 6,530lb. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? I believe that you could do it as a minor modification. Several 500As were converted to "B"s and I believe the work could be done with a logbook entry. jb My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using the parts manual as your substantiating data. -----Original Message----- From: mike floyd To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 2:24 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? David, My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using the parts manual as your substantiating data. You will need the filter, hose, fittings, and shutoff valve for the heater. Get the FAA's Instructions for continued airworthiness work sheet and fill it out also. Then without putting a signature on the 337 submit it to the Feds and see what happens. Include a letter with this application saying something like parts are no longer available to support your aircraft. Good luck and hope you are not in a big hurry. Cheers Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: dowens@aerialviewpoint.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:07 -0600 Mike, Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them in stock, but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe... This must be a rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine... hmmm... a new heater in the future that doesn't require the press. relief valve... Thanks allot anyway!!! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:59 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? From: "N395V" I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry. The questions/concerns would be .... Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed. Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK. Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more complex than we are discussing here. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:02 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? David as you probably remember, our B started life as an 'A'. We've got extensive documentation whereas every single part that made the airframe an 'A', was replaced with 'B' parts. Everything, down to the tiniest detail is documented. Nothing that made the airframe an A remained. If you decided to go down this route, I can dig into the paperwork and photocopy whatever seemed pertinent.... Or maybe just photocopy or scan the whole STC? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? > > > I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook > entry. > > The questions/concerns would be .... > > Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the > innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed. > > Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or > damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in > your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK. > > Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut > off fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands > of homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs > more complex than we are discussing here. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:46 AM PST US From: "Harry Merritt" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps Good morning Randy. Clamps are in orlando, Will be shiped to day by fedex to American Propeller. I will sent tracking number when recieved. The paper work was sent with the propeller. If lost will replace and over night to you, per Mid florida propeller. thank Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps Thanks Harry, I will be contacting them first thing in the morning for the Yellow Tag fax & payment for services. I will also be transferring $3000 into your account tomorrow for the clamps. Can you email an invoice for the propeller..?? Thanks for you help. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Merritt Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:47 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps Well the prop is ready to pick up. total cost to you by the prop shop is $868.56 they take credit cards. Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA To: Commander Chat Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps Hi Guys, I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F. The part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you can help out. Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:35 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? Mike... A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with luck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this unit. Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am trying to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us pretty bad about it. (WA_WA)... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:57 AM PST US From: TOMMY MATHIEU Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563 0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy Mathieu N4XR AC-500S ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:01 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there? Steve... Steve.. About the only time they got the "Red Carpet" treatment was by the Customs guys after flying a mission photographing the cable pulled by a seismic ship for hours... They were in constant radio contact with ATC during the mission, and landed in Corpus Christi for fuel, when up came this Navajo full of flack jackets and M-16's... all pointed at them... hehehe... that's another story. My uncle had to piss, and went right there on the ramp, of the dismay of the agents... Whats really bad was these guys were based right here at our little airport!!! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:30 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? Sir Barry... Thank you for this valuable information... Will keep it! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:57 AM PST US From: mike floyd Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Floats and Fuel Cells or TCAC. http://www.ffcfuelcells.com/otheraircraft.html Mike From: tmathieu@msn.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Commander-Li st: Commander-List Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:33:41 -0500 Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563 0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy MathieuN4XRAC-500S _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference . Learn more. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:08 AM PST US From: mike floyd Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? I hope it works for you. On the 337 you can submit it before performing the mod and wait for it to be approved. Then mod the A/C. Mike From: dowens@aerialviewpoint.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re : Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?Date: Thu, 27 Mar 200 8 10:32:53 -0600 Mike... A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with lu ck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this unit. Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am trying to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us pretty bad ab out it. (WA_WA)... David OwensAerial ViewpointN14AVAC-500A-Colemill _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also From: yourtcfg@aol.com Call Aro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb -----Original Message----- From: TOMMY MATHIEU Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:33 am Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Does? anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S.? I am needing the center and right wing tank.? Part numbers are 5630062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing.? I need these as soon as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. ? Tommy Mathieu N4XR AC-500S ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? From: yourtcfg@aol.com As an IA, I have come to realize that not EVERYTHING is a MAJOR change.? The mere fact that the 337 form says "Major repair or alteration" indicates?to me?that there must also be?MINOR changes.? I feel the FAA has brow beaten most IAs into submission and everyone is scared to death to change anything.? In my shop, this would be a minor modification.? It still complies with the type certificate data sheet ("A"s &"Bs" were built on the same tcds), all the pats are approved from the mfg for there intended use and no major changes were required to re plumb it.? "removed existing heater fuel pump, installed heater plumbing I.A.W. Aerocommander parts & maintenance manual for model 500B airframe.? Operation check normal, A/C is returned to service this date".? But hey, I am not the FAA, soooooooooo.? jb Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed. Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK. -----Original Message----- From: N395V Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 5:37 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry. The questions/concerns would be .... Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed. Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK. Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more complex than we are discussing here. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:04 AM PST US From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also jb, sounds like a lot of these guys need to come to the fly in and get the "support booklet". gmc Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:28 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comCall A ro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb-----Original Message-----From: TOMMY MAT HIEU To: commander-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 27 Mar 20 08 8:33 amSubject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563 0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy MathieuN4XRAC-500S ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:43 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Mason, I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so, as well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some drinks for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys... Really hope this years will be possible for us. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:53 AM PST US From: Donnie Rose Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Tommy, I have an outboard and center fuel cell (new) for a 500B if it is the same. Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: TOMMY MATHIEU Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:33:41 AM Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 5630062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as soon as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy Mathieu N4XR AC-500S Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:33 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this year's fly-in will be held? Robert S. Randazzo From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Mason, I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so, as well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some drinks for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys... Really hope this years will be possible for us. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill __________ NOD32 2978 (20080327) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:45 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In 2008 - The SPECIAL one Hello All, Hopefully, Capt JimBob will give us all the low-down on this year's Fly-In before too long, but I'm pretty sure that the plan is that it will be held at the Birthplace of all the production Commander Models, Bethany-Wiley Post, Oklahoma (PWA). The Flight Group really do need to make this one the BIGGEST event yet, as it will mark the 60th Anniversary of the prototype Commander's First Flight, which took place on April 23rd, 1948. I'm pretty sure too that arrangements can be made for us all to go and visit the prototype, the L-3805. So please everyone, give your Commander the chance to be back at its birthplace and meet dozens and dozens of its brothers (sisters?). No doubt JimBob will confirm this and outline the dates soon. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this year's fly-in will be held? Robert S. Randazzo ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:15 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Fitna - From the Netherlands - About Islam This is bone-chilling. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:33 PM PST US From: "Deneal Schilmeister" Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE Wouldn't John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents? ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE Hi JimBob, Yes, it's true! Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA. Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him. Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" Deneal, Not to cast any aspersions on the Duke, but is "Marion" really a tough enough name for a Commander Man? If you're going to own a Commander, you oughtta have a name like John Wayne! Heck, every time I climb into the left seat of my 500B, I feel a little bit tougher than the average Joe. Can't say I blame him for using his pseudonym. "Better put on your seat belt, pilgrim!" /John -----Original Message----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister" To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE Wouldnt John Wayne the = actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real name, Marion Michael = Morrison, on any legal documents? ___________________________ Deneal = Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati= 1997 SL500 http://deneals.com -----Original = Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry = Collman Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2008 6:02 AM To: commander-list@matronics.co= m Subject: Re: = Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE Hi = JimBob, Yes, it's = true! Jointly with a Ken = Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, = from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when it was sold to distributor = Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA. Perhaps one or both of = these co-owners flew the Commander for him. 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