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1. 05:58 AM - Re: Commander at work (Steve at Col-East)
2. 10:14 AM - Re: Commander at work (David Owens)
3. 10:18 AM - Re: Commander at work (David Owens)
4. 06:13 PM - Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas (Nancy Gilliam)
5. 06:31 PM - Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas (John Vormbaum)
6. 06:33 PM - Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas (Nancy Gilliam)
7. 10:32 PM - Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas (nico css)
8. 11:50 PM - Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas (Robert S. Randazzo)
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Subject: | Re: Commander at work |
Yup, that's a littly bitty Commander in the display. We wrote the program
here, and built a little icon with a very familiar looking profile! Those
wings are gorgeous.
----- Original Message -----
That has to be the essence of cool!?? Loved the ground tracks -- and does
the airplane
in the middle of the nav display just look like a Commander, or is it?
I always enjoy seeing (or reading about) working Commanders.
Wing Commander Gordon
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Subject: | Re: Commander at work |
Steve... Sorry...
250 Neg scale... thinking before typing, then fingers add things.
Thinking agl from Leica software setup.... DUH!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Re: Commander at work |
Steve...
We also have the vid setup, but the forward looking viewfinder helps I
guess??? As for the heater, Yes, we just today received our "found" pump (as
removed, no tag) we sent it back to C&D and they OH'ed the unit, and 400
dollars plus the 385 dollars for the "as removed" unit put us back in
heat... just in time for summer. Yea, they do still use the viewfinder
sometimes.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Nico,
Let's say you still had your 500. If your only hyd. pump went out ( no leak
s) Would you pump up the entire system
and lower the gear, or would you slow it down and let the gear fall, and th
en pump it back up?? My manual does'ntaddress this issue. I assume that one
pump up to 1000 psi would lower the gear?
Thanks,
Roland
From: nico@cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump IdeasDate: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:58:21
-0700
I kinda remember the 40 thing. Half a dozen wouldn't have made squat in my
500. It couldn't have been tight, then, I suppose.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy GilliamSent: Wednesday, April 09
, 2008 5:01 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List:
Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Bob, that was for the entire system, I will try with the brakes only and le
t you all know. Roland
From: BobsV35B@aol.comDate: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:08:50 -0400Subject: Re: Comm
ander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump IdeasTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Good Evening Roland,
That seems high to me, but as I said before, it is at least forty years sin
ce I flew any Aero Commander and my memory just isn't that good. I would tr
y to inquire of more current pilots because forty pumps seems like a lot to
me if no component is being actuated other than the brakes. My recollecti
on is that it only took a few pumps when the system was tight. Maybe half a
dozen at most, but you know, I am getting senile!
Happy Skies,Old BobAKABob SiegfriedAncient Aviator628 West 86th StreetDowne
rs Grove, IL 60516630 985-8502 Stearman N3977ABrookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amg3636@hot
mail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply Bob, as always they are welcome. How many pumps would
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akes about 40 ( for the complete system). and pressure stays up for about 2
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Subject: | Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
I am suddenly imagining Commander pilots with one (right) Gorilla Arm,
and one (left) twig. "Ja, on this side I am Ahhnold. I can pomp my
hydraulics up wis ONE HUGE AHHM!"
Nancy Gilliam wrote:
> Nico,
>
> Let's say you still had your 500. If your only hyd. pump went out ( no
> leaks) Would you pump up the entire system
> and lower the gear, or would you slow it down and let the gear fall,
> and then pump it back up?? My manual does'nt
> address this issue. I assume that one pump up to 1000 psi would lower
> the gear?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:58:21 -0700
>
> I kinda remember the 40 thing. Half a dozen wouldn't have made
> squat in my 500. It couldn't have been tight, then, I suppose.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Nancy Gilliam
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:01 PM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
>
> Bob, that was for the entire system, I will try with the brakes
> only and let you all know.
>
> Roland
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: BobsV35B@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:08:50 -0400
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>
> Good Evening Roland,
>
> That seems high to me, but as I said before, it is at least
> forty years since I flew any Aero Commander and my memory just
> isn't that good. I would try to inquire of more current pilots
> because forty pumps seems like a lot to me if no component is
> being actuated other than the brakes. My recollection is that
> it only took a few pumps when the system was tight. Maybe half
> a dozen at most, but you know, I am getting senile!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> 628 West 86th Street
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
>
> In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight
> Time, amg3636@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Thanks for the reply Bob, as always they are welcome. How
> many pumps would you guess it shoulds take to get the
> complete system up to 1000 psi? Mine takes about 40 ( for
> the complete system). and pressure stays up for about 2 days.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Roland AC500 N6291B
>
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Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Nico, My messaGE SHOULD HAVE read, lower the gear and then pump it back u
p, or let the gear fall.
Roland
From: amg3636@hotmail.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Comma
nder-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump IdeasDate: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:11:04 -04
00
Nico, Let's say you still had your 500. If your only hyd. pump went out ( n
o leaks) Would you pump up the entire systemand lower the gear, or would yo
u slow it down and let the gear fall, and then pump it back up?? My manual
does'ntaddress this issue. I assume that one pump up to 1000 psi would low
er the gear? Thanks, Roland
From: nico@cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump IdeasDate: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:58:21
-0700
I kinda remember the 40 thing. Half a dozen wouldn't have made squat in my
500. It couldn't have been tight, then, I suppose.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy GilliamSent: Wednesday, April 09
, 2008 5:01 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List:
Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Bob, that was for the entire system, I will try with the brakes only and le
t you all know. Roland
From: BobsV35B@aol.comDate: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:08:50 -0400Subject: Re: Comm
ander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump IdeasTo: commander-list@matronics.com
Good Evening Roland,
That seems high to me, but as I said before, it is at least forty years sin
ce I flew any Aero Commander and my memory just isn't that good. I would tr
y to inquire of more current pilots because forty pumps seems like a lot to
me if no component is being actuated other than the brakes. My recollecti
on is that it only took a few pumps when the system was tight. Maybe half a
dozen at most, but you know, I am getting senile!
Happy Skies,Old BobAKABob SiegfriedAncient Aviator628 West 86th StreetDowne
rs Grove, IL 60516630 985-8502 Stearman N3977ABrookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amg3636@hot
mail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply Bob, as always they are welcome. How many pumps would
you guess it shoulds take to get the complete system up to 1000 psi? Mine t
akes about 40 ( for the complete system). and pressure stays up for about 2
days. Thanks again, Roland AC500 N6291B
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Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Roland,
I have gained a lot of food for thought after the incident in which I slowed
down and let the gear fall out into a locked position. You perhaps already
saw my video of a couple of fly-bys where the left gear momentarily dangled
out of the wheel well when I pulled a bit of G's at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA.
What bugs me today is that I just sat there like a passenger having assumed
that all the fluid was gone and there would be no steering or brakes. I
cannot remember (this was more than 25 years ago) whether I tried the
brakes, but I am sure that I didn't try the pump. It was weird watching the
plane castor off the runway into the rough until it came to a stop. I kissed
the Commander for not scaring me and waited for the fire truck.
>From what has been said in this very informative thread (as usual <yawn>) I
might have had enough hydraulic fluid below the stand pipe to pump the
brakes and steering into action. Perhaps someone who knows can tell me if
the 500 had a stand pipe in the reservoir and whether pumping that last bit
would have been lost the same way the others were lost in the first place,
making a pumping exercise useless. The leak came when the thin line to the
pressure gauge in the instrument panel cracked and atomized all the fluid
into the cabin. I was basically QBI in the cockpit for a while and I am sure
had I smoked it would have caused a comet-like ball of fire, too. With all
the oil everywhere inside the cabin, I just assumed that every drop was
pumped out.
I just took off from a rough strip which caused a lot of rattle, roll and
shaking on takeoff and I was perhaps 100' up when the cabin was instantly
filled with a sweet-smelling cloud, which I later found to be hydraulic oil.
I didn't panic but just held everything still until the cloud dissipated,
which took perhaps 15, 20 seconds or so, I cannot remember exactly, and the
Commander must have known I couldn't see a thing and held the climb steady.
I tossed my glasses and cleared as much of the windscreen and side window as
I could with whatever I had in the cabin and then proceeded home.
Weird, huh?
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Nico, My messaGE SHOULD HAVE read, lower the gear and then pump it back
up, or let the gear fall.
Roland
_____
From: amg3636@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Nico,
Let's say you still had your 500. If your only hyd. pump went out ( no
leaks) Would you pump up the entire system
and lower the gear, or would you slow it down and let the gear fall, and
then pump it back up?? My manual does'nt
address this issue. I assume that one pump up to 1000 psi would lower the
gear?
Thanks,
Roland
_____
From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
I kinda remember the 40 thing. Half a dozen wouldn't have made squat in my
500. It couldn't have been tight, then, I suppose.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Bob, that was for the entire system, I will try with the brakes only and let
you all know.
Roland
_____
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Good Evening Roland,
That seems high to me, but as I said before, it is at least forty years
since I flew any Aero Commander and my memory just isn't that good. I would
try to inquire of more current pilots because forty pumps seems like a lot
to me if no component is being actuated other than the brakes. My
recollection is that it only took a few pumps when the system was tight.
Maybe half a dozen at most, but you know, I am getting senile!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
amg3636@hotmail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply Bob, as always they are welcome. How many pumps would
you guess it shoulds take to get the complete system up to 1000 psi? Mine
takes about 40 ( for the complete system). and pressure stays up for about 2
days.
Thanks again,
Roland AC500 N6291B
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Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Crikey, Nico- and I've had a few clouds OUTSIDE the airplane scare me- I
can't imagine what that experience must have been like.
Robert S. Randazzo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Roland,
I have gained a lot of food for thought after the incident in which I slowed
down and let the gear fall out into a locked position. You perhaps already
saw my video of a couple of fly-bys where the left gear momentarily dangled
out of the wheel well when I pulled a bit of G's at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA.
What bugs me today is that I just sat there like a passenger having assumed
that all the fluid was gone and there would be no steering or brakes. I
cannot remember (this was more than 25 years ago) whether I tried the
brakes, but I am sure that I didn't try the pump. It was weird watching the
plane castor off the runway into the rough until it came to a stop. I kissed
the Commander for not scaring me and waited for the fire truck.
>From what has been said in this very informative thread (as usual <yawn>) I
might have had enough hydraulic fluid below the stand pipe to pump the
brakes and steering into action. Perhaps someone who knows can tell me if
the 500 had a stand pipe in the reservoir and whether pumping that last bit
would have been lost the same way the others were lost in the first place,
making a pumping exercise useless. The leak came when the thin line to the
pressure gauge in the instrument panel cracked and atomized all the fluid
into the cabin. I was basically QBI in the cockpit for a while and I am sure
had I smoked it would have caused a comet-like ball of fire, too. With all
the oil everywhere inside the cabin, I just assumed that every drop was
pumped out.
I just took off from a rough strip which caused a lot of rattle, roll and
shaking on takeoff and I was perhaps 100' up when the cabin was instantly
filled with a sweet-smelling cloud, which I later found to be hydraulic oil.
I didn't panic but just held everything still until the cloud dissipated,
which took perhaps 15, 20 seconds or so, I cannot remember exactly, and the
Commander must have known I couldn't see a thing and held the climb steady.
I tossed my glasses and cleared as much of the windscreen and side window as
I could with whatever I had in the cabin and then proceeded home.
Weird, huh?
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Nico, My messaGE SHOULD HAVE read, lower the gear and then pump it back
up, or let the gear fall.
Roland
_____
From: amg3636@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Nico,
Let's say you still had your 500. If your only hyd. pump went out ( no
leaks) Would you pump up the entire system
and lower the gear, or would you slow it down and let the gear fall, and
then pump it back up?? My manual does'nt
address this issue. I assume that one pump up to 1000 psi would lower the
gear?
Thanks,
Roland
_____
From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
I kinda remember the 40 thing. Half a dozen wouldn't have made squat in my
500. It couldn't have been tight, then, I suppose.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Bob, that was for the entire system, I will try with the brakes only and let
you all know.
Roland
_____
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Good Evening Roland,
That seems high to me, but as I said before, it is at least forty years
since I flew any Aero Commander and my memory just isn't that good. I would
try to inquire of more current pilots because forty pumps seems like a lot
to me if no component is being actuated other than the brakes. My
recollection is that it only took a few pumps when the system was tight.
Maybe half a dozen at most, but you know, I am getting senile!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
amg3636@hotmail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply Bob, as always they are welcome. How many pumps would
you guess it shoulds take to get the complete system up to 1000 psi? Mine
takes about 40 ( for the complete system). and pressure stays up for about 2
days.
Thanks again,
Roland AC500 N6291B
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