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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Prop governor cable (Robert Feldtman)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Prop governor cable ()
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Prop governor cable (nico css)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Prop governor cable (BobsV35B@aol.com)
5. 07:36 PM - Re: Prop governor cable ()
6. 08:30 PM - Re: Prop governor cable (Robert S. Randazzo)
7. 11:02 PM - Think you can handle cross winds, hey? (nico css)
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I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an
automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are
you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both
our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey
hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
On 4/13/08, dfalik@sbcglobal.net <dfalik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> Let's start a new thread.
>
> On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the prop the left cable
> broke so I could not feather the prop out of high pitch. Upon return to
> the FBO I opened the cowls and found a significant birds nest planted in
> the prop governor area and around the pulley. I don't know if that was
> the cause of the breakage but I was left with no way to feather the
> prop. After much thought I decided to attempt to return to Michigan as
> it was. I planned on throttling back to 17" after take off and use the
> rudder trim to fly coordinated and then set the autopilot. The four
> hour flight was totally uneventful other than the noise due to the
> uneven RPMs.
>
> I am very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get
> another cable.
>
> Don Falik 500S
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> Commanderland
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> When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
>
> with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written
> above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I
>
> order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the
> hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like
> a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
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> I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
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I found the tower and pulley on top of the prop governor and the cable
was broken and loose on one side of the pulley. On the other side of the
pulley the cable was tight. The mechanic that looked at it said that
there is a spring that keeps the governor in high pitch in case of the
cable breaking.
I am very interested in what the issues are of running the engine with
the propeller at high pitch and throttled back to 17". Prior to heading
north I took a side trip to an airport 20 minutes south for fuel and to
test the performance and temperatures and vibration on the airplane.
Other than the noise of the unsynchronized RPMs there didn't appear to
be any issues.
Again, I am very interested in hearing from those that have much more
experience than I. I also have grey hair.
Don Falik
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Feldtman
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an
automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement.
Are you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just
had both our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the
grey hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
On 4/13/08, dfalik@sbcglobal.net <dfalik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
All,
Let's start a new thread.
On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the prop the left cable
broke so I could not feather the prop out of high pitch. Upon return to
the FBO I opened the cowls and found a significant birds nest planted in
the prop governor area and around the pulley. I don't know if that was
the cause of the breakage but I was left with no way to feather the
prop. After much thought I decided to attempt to return to Michigan as
it was. I planned on throttling back to 17" after take off and use the
rudder trim to fly coordinated and then set the autopilot. The four
hour flight was totally uneventful other than the noise due to the
uneven RPMs.
I am very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get
another cable.
Don Falik 500S
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1. 05:16 PM - Hats (Don Girod)
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From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written
above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I
order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the
hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like
a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
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Don,
>From my perspective (also grey) is that if you lost that engine, its
windmilling prop might have dragged you down to the site of the accident.
Nico
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
I found the tower and pulley on top of the prop governor and the cable was
broken and loose on one side of the pulley. On the other side of the pulley
the cable was tight. The mechanic that looked at it said that there is a
spring that keeps the governor in high pitch in case of the cable breaking.
I am very interested in what the issues are of running the engine with the
propeller at high pitch and throttled back to 17". Prior to heading north I
took a side trip to an airport 20 minutes south for fuel and to test the
performance and temperatures and vibration on the airplane. Other than the
noise of the unsynchronized RPMs there didn't appear to be any issues.
Again, I am very interested in hearing from those that have much more
experience than I. I also have grey hair.
Don Falik
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an
automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are
you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both
our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey
hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
On 4/13/08, dfalik@sbcglobal.net <dfalik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
All,
Let's start a new thread.
On run up in Atlanta last evening upon cycling the prop the left cable
broke so I could not feather the prop out of high pitch. Upon return to
the FBO I opened the cowls and found a significant birds nest planted in
the prop governor area and around the pulley. I don't know if that was
the cause of the breakage but I was left with no way to feather the
prop. After much thought I decided to attempt to return to Michigan as
it was. I planned on throttling back to 17" after take off and use the
rudder trim to fly coordinated and then set the autopilot. The four
hour flight was totally uneventful other than the noise due to the
uneven RPMs.
I am very interested in the opinions of others and also where to get
another cable.
Don Falik 500S
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1. 05:16 PM - Hats (Don Girod)
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From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written
above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I
order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the
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Good Morning bobf,
I think I can qualify as a grey beard!
There are times when I would fly without the ability to feather the
propellor on a twin engine aircraft.
It all has to do with evaluation of the risk
Fact is, I received my multiengine rating in an airplane that was not
equipped with feathering propellors and that would not maintain altitude with
one
engine shut down. That was a Cessna Bobcat more commonly referred as a Bamboo
Bomber. I also flew many Twin Beech Model C18s that did not have feathering
propellors installed. It was before my time, but the first Douglas DC-3s were
flown without full feathering propellors.
So, the risk is just another one of those which we all have to evaluate each
time we fly. Lots of folks will never get in a single engine airplane
unless they have a parachute equipped ejection seat to sit on!
However, in the case in question, I doubt if I would have flown the airplane
without getting a ferry permit and flying only in compliance with the
restrictions imposed by that permit.
In my book, the greatest danger would be in getting caught doing something
illegal.
The risk involved in flying without a feathering propellor can be mitigated
by good flight planning, but the risk of certificate action is difficult to
avoid.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
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In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:39:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bobf@feldtman.com writes:
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an
automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are you
sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both our
prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey
hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Don,
>From my perspective (also grey) is that if you lost that engine, its
windmilling prop might have dragged you down to the site of the
accident.
Nico
_____
Nico,
Thanks for your input. That was one factor that I did not consider in
the risk equation. I do appreciate everyone's input and find it very
informative. With the windmilling factor, I see now that single engine
over the Smokey's was very risky if an engine was lost.
I really don't expect praise for this but feel I can greatly learn from
other's input.
I flew to Alaska with my friend/IA/CFII and another friend the first
year I had the Commander (2004). I met a second friend in Fairbanks and
he joined us for a trip to Nome. My friend/IA/CFII chose not to go with
us as I had inadvertently topped the tank and we would have been over
gross for take off. When he realized that the second friend was going
to accompany us for the rest of the trip around Alaska and back to
Michigan, he got on a commercial flight back to Michigan while we were
in Nome. His explanation to me was that with the 4 th. passenger and
the gear we were taking that we would not be able to carry enough fuel
to achieve decent length legs. He said that the plane would have no
trouble getting airborne BUT if we lost an engine before gaining
altitude and were over gross that is when the fun begins in a twin. I
guess the same applies with a prop that is windmilling as Nico pointed
out.
He also pointed out that IF something was to happen and even if no one
was injured; his certificates would be in jeopardy.
Don
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Don-
I think we're all equal parts glad that you didn't have any trouble- and
glad you can see that risk now too.
All of us commander drivers need to stick together- thinning the herd is
for other people.
Robert S. Randazzo
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Don,
>From my perspective (also grey) is that if you lost that engine, its
windmilling prop might have dragged you down to the site of the accident.
Nico
_____
Nico,
Thanks for your input. That was one factor that I did not consider in the
risk equation. I do appreciate everyone's input and find it very
informative. With the windmilling factor, I see now that single engine over
the Smokey's was very risky if an engine was lost.
I really don't expect praise for this but feel I can greatly learn from
other's input.
I flew to Alaska with my friend/IA/CFII and another friend the first year I
had the Commander (2004). I met a second friend in Fairbanks and he joined
us for a trip to Nome. My friend/IA/CFII chose not to go with us as I had
inadvertently topped the tank and we would have been over gross for take
off. When he realized that the second friend was going to accompany us for
the rest of the trip around Alaska and back to Michigan, he got on a
commercial flight back to Michigan while we were in Nome. His explanation
to me was that with the 4 th. passenger and the gear we were taking that we
would not be able to carry enough fuel to achieve decent length legs. He
said that the plane would have no trouble getting airborne BUT if we lost an
engine before gaining altitude and were over gross that is when the fun
begins in a twin. I guess the same applies with a prop that is windmilling
as Nico pointed out.
He also pointed out that IF something was to happen and even if no one was
injured; his certificates would be in jeopardy.
Don
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