Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 04/18/08


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 06:58 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Steve at Col-East)
     2. 07:16 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Scottmain2003@aol.com)
     3. 07:43 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (David Owens)
     4. 07:59 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Barry Collman)
     5. 09:16 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (nico css)
     6. 10:56 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Chris)
     7. 11:14 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Chris)
     8. 11:31 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Steve at Col-East)
     9. 11:50 AM - Re: Blast from the past... (Keith S. Gordon)
    10. 01:12 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Craig Kennedy)
    11. 01:31 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    12. 01:32 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Harry Merritt)
    13. 01:52 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Craig Kennedy)
    14. 02:06 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
    15. 03:23 PM - Re: OK, Who IS this? (dickpol)
    16. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: OK, Who IS this? (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=)
    17. 04:20 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
    18. 04:45 PM - Re: Hats (Nancy Gilliam)
    19. 04:59 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (craigk391@sbcglobal.net)
    20. 05:04 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Robert S. Randazzo)
    21. 05:15 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
    22. 07:31 PM - Re: Hats (Don Girod)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:58:11 AM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology. Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith S. Gordon To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at: Chris, First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next, after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you would be well served by an intervention. All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That would have been sane. However ... (Nice work, by the way!) Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!


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    Time: 07:16:51 AM PST US
    From: Scottmain2003@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am planning a return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955 L26A, serial number 55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of paint and graphics but need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the impression it was a factory scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name. I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero Design delivered it and said leave it as it is. Hence the first Presidential plane with the enduring Blue and White scheme we still see today. If anyone has that info I would appreciate the help. Interior colors too. Scott Main _scottmain2003@aol.com_ (mailto:scottmain2003@aol.com) In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve2@sover.net writes: I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology. Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: _Keith S. Gordon_ (mailto:cloudcraft@aol.com) Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at: Chris, First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next, after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you would be well served by an intervention. All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That would have been sane. However ... (Nice work, by the way!) Wing Commander Gordon ____________________________________ Get the _MapQuest Toolbar_ (http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003) , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)


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    Time: 07:43:45 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Hey Chris! Hope all's well with you... I can't believe it's been so many years since you were here on Hooks visiting our facility. I still have your little book, and show it to people if they have a Commander interest. Our Aztec is still pounding away at it... We Just flew it 2 days ago. She still has the stubby nose too! hehehe... Have a good one! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 07:59:57 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Hi Scott, I'm not sure if this helps, but the factory names for the original paint on your 560A (L-26B) were Polar White & Baltic Blue. As to the paint manufacturer's code or colour, I would suggest contacting either the Wright-Patterson Museum in Dayton, Ohio or Mr Bill Duff, at J W Duff Aircraft Co., in Denver, Colorado. The museum has one of the two Models 680 that Ike used and Mr Duff restored it for them. It was in his yard for parting out when someone pointed out the significance of the aircraft. I seem to recall that there was a very thin Gold trim between the Blue & White and the tin of paint cost something like $400, with only a very small amount actually being needed! I cannot remember if I've sent you the history of your Commander. If not, let me know and I'll email it to you. One question: It was built as a Model 560A, with Lycoming GO-480-D1A engines (275hp) and Hartzell HC-83X20-2C/8433 propellers. However, I have reason to believe that at some stage, probably after it was transferred from the USAF to the US Army, it was converted to a 560A(HC), with Lycoming GO-480-G1B6 engines (295hp) and Hartzell HC-83X20-2 propellers. >From any paperwork you have, are you able to confirm this and if so, the date the up-grade was signed-off as being completed? If so, is the full designation of the propeller hub Hartzell HC-83X20-2C? Also, which propeller blades were then installed? Were they 8833-2? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Scottmain2003@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am planning a return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955 L26A, serial number 55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of paint and graphics but need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the impression it was a factory scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name. I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero Design delivered it and said leave it as it is. Hence the first Presidential plane with the enduring Blue and White scheme we still see today. If anyone has that info I would appreciate the help. Interior colors too. Scott Main scottmain2003@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve2@sover.net writes: I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology. Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith S. Gordon To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at: Chris, First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next, after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you would be well served by an intervention. All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That would have been sane. However ... (Nice work, by the way!) Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.


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    Time: 09:16:43 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    Chris, I didn't have as much time to work on the website as I wanted, but, yes, I still have the keys of the kingdom, so to speak. I started revamping the site to include a members area where members in good standing could upload stuff for publication, such as parts for sale or to buy, information and so on. I still have good intentions and a vision for the site and will battle forward to make this happen. You know all about it; getting good people to hire is a dirty-job on its own. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... nico css wrote: > Well, well. It's good to hear from you again, Chris. 100 hour weeks? > That's rough, man. Howdy Nico! Good to see that you're still around too. Are you still maintaining the web site? I'll have to go look at it. Havn't taken a look in years.... Yeah, long hours seem to come with small business ownership. Strangely, I've become a water treatment plant guru over the last decade and now find myself fixing broken plants all over the midwest. It's turned into a pretty lucrative business, but things only break in the middle of the night and they're always critical. (people sure get grumpy when they have no water!) I'd sure like to cut back on the hours, but I can't seem to find really great people to hire. Chris


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    Time: 10:56:18 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Steve at Col-East wrote: > I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after > growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown > to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster > than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology. > > Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. > And they look dorky with pointy noses. > > Steve It's really amazing isn't it?!? First time I saw an Aztec, I just assumed it would fly like a lumber wagon just by the way it looks but they really are very pleasant. Much like Commanders, the early short-nosed versions fly a lot nicer too. Lighter in pitch and a lot less "wobble" in bumpy air. When I had my engines built, we upgraded to high compression cylinders. I think that gives the same configuration (bore, stroke, compression) as the 290hp Lycs but without fuel injection. Sure does like to climb with those fat wings and extra power. I can count on 190-195 mph cruise under most conditions - like you said: faster than such a stubby airplane should be. cheers, Chris


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    Time: 11:14:10 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Keith S. Gordon wrote: > * > All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. > * To be perfectly honest Keith, when I bought this airplane, I'd just finished several years of penniless misery paying off the huge loss incurred after having been raped by an unscrupulous Commander dealer and the last thing I ever wanted to see was another one. This airplane was going to be a temporary steed bought on a budget, but I've grown to appreciate it a lot. It's probably the last big restoration project I'll ever do - just don't have another one in me. Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Chris


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    Time: 11:31:41 AM PST US
    From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    haha, I remember my first ride in a 'truck looking at the airspeed indicator thinking it was busted. 190 what? This thing? You got a real pretty airplane there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... > > Steve at Col-East wrote: >> I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing >> up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like >> 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they >> should be. They don't need any kind of apology. >> Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. >> And they look dorky with pointy noses. >> Steve > > It's really amazing isn't it?!? First time I saw an Aztec, I just assumed > it would fly like a lumber wagon just by the way it looks but they really > are very pleasant. Much like Commanders, the early short-nosed versions > fly a lot nicer too. Lighter in pitch and a lot less "wobble" in bumpy > air. When I had my engines built, we upgraded to high compression > cylinders. I think that gives the same configuration (bore, stroke, > compression) as the 290hp Lycs but without fuel injection. Sure does like > to climb with those fat wings and extra power. I can count on 190-195 mph > cruise under most conditions - like you said: faster than such a stubby > airplane should be. > > cheers, > Chris > > >


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    Time: 11:50:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com>
    Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-)? Then you're doomed.? But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane.? I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.


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    Time: 01:12:05 PM PST US
    From: Craig Kennedy <craigk391@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. --------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!


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    Time: 01:31:44 PM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    ck, please tell me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list@matronics.comH ello,My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures ar e of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife w ill not be adopting this bird any time soon!Craig"Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcr aft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated you r airplane. I've heard of that condition before.Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!


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    Time: 01:32:43 PM PST US
    From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    I have a pair of engines for a 560F ( Last Factory Remains) 600 HRS Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Kennedy To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!


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    Time: 01:52:52 PM PST US
    From: Craig Kennedy <craigk391@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    Nope. Corporation selling their 2 planes. MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@msn.com> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } ck, please tell me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc --------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:26 -0700 From: craigk391@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. --------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 02:06:58 PM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    c, i am in fort worth, tx. if I can be of any help to you or your plane le t me know. mason 680Fp. RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list@matronics.comN ope. Corporation selling their 2 planes.MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@msn.com> wrote: ck, please tell me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list@matronics.comH ello,My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures ar e of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife w ill not be adopting this bird any time soon!Craig"Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcr aft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated you r airplane. I've heard of that condition before.Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.


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    Time: 03:23:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: OK, Who IS this?
    From: "dickpol" <dickpol@yahoo.com>
    Hi, I'm Dick Polits (dickpol on youtube and yahoo). My brother, Russ, and I attended the Aero Commander gathering in Hillsboro as non-members. It was a blast to hang out with you commander die-hards. Our Dad owned a 680E N3820C in the late 60's and swapped it for a 680FP N233W around the mid 70's, both purchased from Swede Ralston. Dad donated N233W to Mercy Flights in Medford (lost his medical) just before it's demise. I lost track of N3820C but think it found it's way to Buddy Windham. Needless to say, my brother and I bonded with the commanders and have been following them for years. Dad's two commader pics on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/gp/96607407@N00/90Gae6 The video began life as a 300+ slideshow of commanders mostly. Since my brother isn't computer savy I converted it to a 35 minute video burning it to DVD for a birthday present. Uploading the video to youtube chopped it off at 9 minutes and 59 seconds. Not a real problem as the first 10 minutes have the best pictures and it does get boring watching them all. The pictures were gathered from the sources mentioned. Also, I have a program that sucks the pictures from the rec.pictures.aviation newsgroup that I skim off a few pics a month. Educate me if I've violated some rules in my picture acquisition adventure. The only flying I do is with MS Flight Sim (has commanders!) and a RC plane (non-commander). I'm not usually chatty and like to hear what's going on in the commander world (lurk) and love the pictures. They take me back to happy memories of family, friends, and fun revolving around "The Commander". Boy, I've had a great time in commanderland! Dick Polits Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177756#177756


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    Time: 04:12:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: OK, Who IS this?
    From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" <John@vormbaum.com>
    See, I knew it! Dick, I was at the gathering in hillsboro and I remember meeting you and hearing about your family attachment to Commanders. Nice to see you still lurk in Commanderland! Cheers, John -----Original Message----- From: "dickpol" <dickpol@yahoo.com> To:commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Re: OK, Who IS this? Hi, I'm Dick Polits (dickpol on youtube and yahoo). My brother, Russ, and I attended the Aero Commander gathering in Hillsboro as non-members. It was a blast to hang out with you commander die-hards. Our Dad owned a 680E N3820C in the late 60's and swapped it for a 680FP N233W around the mid 70's, both purchased from Swede Ralston. Dad donated N233W to Mercy Flights in Medford (lost his medical) just before it's demise. I lost track of N3820C but think it found it's way to Buddy Windham. Needless to say, my brother and I bonded with the commanders and have been following them for years. Dad's two commader pics on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/gp/96607407@N00/90Gae6 The video began life as a 300+ slideshow of commanders mostly. Since my brother isn't computer savy I converted it to a 35 minute video burning it to DVD for a birthday present. Uploading the video to youtube chopped it off at 9 minutes and 59 seconds. Not a real problem as the first 10 minutes have the best pictures and it does get boring watching them all. The pictures were gathered from the sources mentioned. Also, I have a program that sucks the pictures from the rec.pictures.aviation newsgroup that I skim off a few pics a month. Educate me if I've violated some rules in my picture acquisition adventure. The only flying I do is with MS Flight Sim (has commanders!) and a RC plane (non-commander). I'm not usually chatty and like to hear what's going on in the commander world (lurk) and love the pictures. They take me back to happy memories of family, friends, and fun revolving around "The Commander". Boy, I've had a great time in commanderland! Dick Polits Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177756#177756


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    Time: 04:20:33 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F. Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal. Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what caused both your engines to make metal. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kennedy Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. _____ Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!


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    Time: 04:45:31 PM PST US
    From: Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Hats
    My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head on view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800 I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hats Commanderland When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever. I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers. Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h ead on view of the airplane? Don href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_instantaccess_042008


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    Time: 04:59:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Blast from the past...
    From: craigk391@sbcglobal.net
    7 years of sitting, with I suspect a number of broken rings given the corrosion inside the cracks. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net> To:<commander-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Two engines making metalwow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F. Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal. Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what caused both your engines to make metal. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ---------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kennedy Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ---------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


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    Time: 05:04:38 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    Randy- You up and flying again yet? Robert S. Randazzo From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F. Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal. Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what caused both your engines to make metal. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kennedy Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. _____ Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________


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    Time: 05:15:46 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Blast from the past...
    Had to get new propellers (as well as new engines) so, not flying yet. JPI engine analyzer being installed now, along with many other replaced items (vacuum pumps, generator, hoses, etc). Hopefully, we'll be flying in another 3 weeks. Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Randy- You up and flying again yet? Robert S. Randazzo From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F. Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal. Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what caused both your engines to make metal. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kennedy Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hello, My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon! Craig "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft@aol.com> wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. _____ Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________


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    Time: 07:31:55 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Hats
    Rolan; I would like several in both white and navy blue. I would like them in both white and navy blue, any chance we can get the 'bird do-do' on the bill like the Captain or Field grade hats have. Just let me know what I own you. As I recall the white were in cotton and maybe the navy blue were in wool, not sure, anyway they were heavier. Depending on price, maybe six of each. Thanks, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head on view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800 I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hats Commanderland When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever. I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers. Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a head on view of the airplane? Don href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG. 4/18/2008 9:30 AM




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