---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/21/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:57 AM - Aero Commander Graphic (BertBerry1@aol.com) 2. 09:07 AM - Re: Hats (Craig Kennedy) 3. 01:00 PM - Re: Hats (Don Girod) 4. 04:44 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (Gary Moshluk) 5. 06:02 PM - Re: Hats (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 6. 06:20 PM - Re: Blast from the past... (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 7. 06:51 PM - Re: Aero Commander Graphic (Bill Hamilton) 8. 08:15 PM - Re: Blast from the past... () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:58 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Graphic _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11-5 -w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1QQsspagena meZWDVW_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11-5-w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1Q QsspagenameZWDVW) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:41 AM PST US From: Craig Kennedy Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats I would like 4. Let me know how to pay her for them. Thanks, Craig Nancy Gilliam wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head on view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B --------------------------------- From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hats Commanderland When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever. I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers. Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a head on view of the airplane? 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Don dongirod@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats Nice to here from you Steve, I could'nt open this, but I also found the logo on Google. Thanks , Roland ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: steveg@nternet.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:19:54 -0500 Roland, Attached is Twin Commanders logo which includes a head on outline. I am with new laptop and no editing software so am sending it directly to you. Cut and paste should work nicely. Regards, Steve Gilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON THE INTERNET. Roland ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: kamala@MSN.COM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500 please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them there this fall. gmc ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800 I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head on view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800 I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hats Commanderland When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever. I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers. Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a head on view of the airplane? 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Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG. 4/20/2008 3:01 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Barry, I own serial # 173, a 1954 model straight 560. The logs show it flying out of New York I believe. I found a small patch of fabric stuck to one of the re-upholstered seats - black and white with turquoise and some black leather. It's been repainted but I did find some robins egg blue in spots where the repaint peeled. I'd appreciate any history you might have on this bird? ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hi Scott, I'm not sure if this helps, but the factory names for the original paint on your 560A (L-26B) were Polar White & Baltic Blue. As to the paint manufacturer's code or colour, I would suggest contacting either the Wright-Patterson Museum in Dayton, Ohio or Mr Bill Duff, at J W Duff Aircraft Co., in Denver, Colorado. The museum has one of the two Models 680 that Ike used and Mr Duff restored it for them. It was in his yard for parting out when someone pointed out the significance of the aircraft. I seem to recall that there was a very thin Gold trim between the Blue & White and the tin of paint cost something like $400, with only a very small amount actually being needed! I cannot remember if I've sent you the history of your Commander. If not, let me know and I'll email it to you. One question: It was built as a Model 560A, with Lycoming GO-480-D1A engines (275hp) and Hartzell HC-83X20-2C/8433 propellers. However, I have reason to believe that at some stage, probably after it was transferred from the USAF to the US Army, it was converted to a 560A(HC), with Lycoming GO-480-G1B6 engines (295hp) and Hartzell HC-83X20-2 propellers. From any paperwork you have, are you able to confirm this and if so, the date the up-grade was signed-off as being completed? If so, is the full designation of the propeller hub Hartzell HC-83X20-2C? Also, which propeller blades were then installed? Were they 8833-2? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Scottmain2003@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am planning a return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955 L26A, serial number 55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of paint and graphics but need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the impression it was a factory scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name. I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero Design delivered it and said leave it as it is. Hence the first Presidential plane with the enduring Blue and White scheme we still see today. If anyone has that info I would appreciate the help. Interior colors too. Scott Main scottmain2003@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve2@sover.net writes: I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology. Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith S. Gordon To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at: Chris, First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next, after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you would be well served by an intervention. All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That would have been sane. However ... (Nice work, by the way!) 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Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:41 PM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats I would take a couple of hats. I have a 680. Gil **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:33 PM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Steve, I have an Aztec and have owned it for 10 years. Really a great airplane. I also own a 680 as well. Love em both. Gil **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:00 PM PST US From: "Bill Hamilton" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Graphic Folks, I have one of the graphics shown on eBay below, they seem to be very good quality, and the art work is good. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC 500A ZK-DCF From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:55 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Graphic http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11- 5-w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1QQsspag enameZWDVW _____ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:54 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past... I still have the Apache 150's that I got my multi rating in. It is a vintage 1957 and it is a blast to fly. It serves as a spare for when the 500S is in service. My wife especially likes the Apache because the "tube" is an excellent "OH-SHIT" handle as she is not the most avid flyer. The tube is a carry over from the preceding tube and fabric structure. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WINGFLYER1@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past... Steve, I have an Aztec and have owned it for 10 years. Really a great airplane. I also own a 680 as well. Love em both. Gil _____ Need a new ride? 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