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1. 06:13 AM - Survey Commanders (Barry Collman)
2. 01:37 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (kenwhyde@aol.com)
3. 03:44 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Gary Moshluk)
4. 04:27 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Moe-rosspistons)
5. 04:32 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Moe-rosspistons)
6. 06:33 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
7. 06:56 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (John Vormbaum)
8. 07:05 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Gary Moshluk)
9. 07:32 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (yourtcfg@aol.com)
10. 08:00 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Don Girod)
11. 10:20 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (John Vormbaum)
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Subject: | Survey Commanders |
Hi Guys,
Some years ago now, I had some email correspondence with somebody whose
father flew Commanders in the aerial survey role and we covered the
subject of wing spars.
Some while ago, while Outlook Express was compacting my emails, a bunch
of them was lost.
So, if that person remembers the exchange of emails, will you please be
kind enough to email me again!
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the
time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had
seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains
making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although
this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with
the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting
to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more
along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken,
Glad to hear that you found the set of discs. You are, of course, very
welcome.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Gary,
The single caliper set was on my 680Fp when I purchased it, and
according to the logs had been on it a long time. My plane has a max
gross weight of 8,000 lbs., and is close to gross most of the time. I
have been very happy with the brake system and it stops very well.
Moe
From: Gary Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the
time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had
seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains
making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although
this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with
the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting
to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more
along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course
I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders.
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was
superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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<DIV>Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his
well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brent</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.
Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style
I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were
of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston
- single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically
a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with.
I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally
fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making
sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set
up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the
Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing
the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi
MU-2's.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along
the lines of what I might have. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88
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<DIV><BR></DIV><WBR>Thanks Moe,<BR><BR>Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.<BR><BR>Ken<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Moe-rosspistons <<A href="mailto:moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com">moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A><BR>Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new,
however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness
of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Moe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>N680RR</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>680Fp</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kenwhyde@aol.com href="mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com">kenwhyde@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><WBR>HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88
in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare
set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!<BR><BR>Thanks Guy's...<BR><BR>Ken Hyde<BR>N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins.
Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the
penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you
spew venom in public.
I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't
give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience
on this list.
Cheers,
/John
skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote:
> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
>
> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
>
> Brent
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal
> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a
> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
>
> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
> reservations on this installation.
>
> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
>
> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
> more along the lines of what I might have.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> Thanks Moe,
>
> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com
> <mailto:moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> Ken,
>
> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310)
> 350-4594.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
>
> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that
> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
>
> Thanks Guy's...
>
> Ken Hyde
> N47AC
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on Commanders
My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not a
single caliper 4 piston installation can potentially be 337'd on a
Commander. As I indicated, for me this arrangement is far better
(ultimately safer in my opinion) than the original Goodyear brake
system. Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland setup on my 560 while not
perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern technology.
What I was trying to clear up - is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd
Cleveland set up a single caliper version, or the more common twin
caliper style?
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at
the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I
had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure.
Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided
performance I have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation
with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels
when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for
fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
more along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they
have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of
about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we
can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Single caliper
What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set
up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style??
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh@charter.net>
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not?a single caliper?4
piston?installation?can potentially be 337'd on a Commander.? As I indicated,
for me this arrangement is far better (ultimately safer in my opinion)
than the original Goodyear brake system.? Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland
setup on my 560 while not perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern
technology.
?
What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set
up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style??
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience.? Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
?
sorry Harry,?what comes around?goes around...
?
Brent
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
I bought a set of?"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.?
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.? Of course
I assumed?I'd be getting?the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years.??What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be?a set?of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with.? I was assured these were proper?for Commanders.?
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
?
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure.??Although this?set up was
superior to the Goodyear's?and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
?
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks?(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting?to?Mitsubishi MU-2's.
?
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.??????
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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on Commanders
John
I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and except
for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you know he get
yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is Harry offered me
my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I got the props, fresh
from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy with Harry's work.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
>
> Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
> clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
> board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins.
> Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the
> penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you
> spew venom in public.
>
> I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't
> give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience
> on this list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
>
>
> skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote:
>> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
>> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
>> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
>>
>> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
>> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
>> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal
>> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
>> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
>> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a
>> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
>> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
>> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
>> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
>> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
>>
>> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
>> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
>> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
>> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
>> reservations on this installation.
>>
>> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
>> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
>> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
>> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
>>
>> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
>> more along the lines of what I might have.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> Thanks Moe,
>>
>> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com
>> <mailto:moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
>> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
>> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310)
>> 350-4594.
>>
>> Moe
>> N680RR
>> 680Fp
>>
>>
>> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
>> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that
>> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
>> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
>> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
>>
>> Thanks Guy's...
>>
>> Ken Hyde
>> N47AC
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on Commanders
Funny, when I got my new compact hub Hartzells from the factory back in
'99 when they were running their special, we waited weeks for them.
Hartzell slowed down my project more than any other item!
Cheers,
/John
Don Girod wrote:
> <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
>
> John
>
> I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and
> except for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you
> know he get yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is
> Harry offered me my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I
> got the props, fresh from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy
> with Harry's work.
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
> STC,d for used on Commanders
>
>
> <john@vormbaum.com>
> >
> > Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
> > clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
> > board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various
> fly-ins.
> > Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time
> in the
> > penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if
> you
> > spew venom in public.
> >
> > I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172"
> doesn't
> > give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your
> experience
> > on this list.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
> >
> > skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote:
> >> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
> >> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
> >> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
> >>
> >> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
> >>
> >> Brent
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
> >> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000
> for
> >> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great
> deal
> >> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
> >> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
> >> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to
> be a
> >> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
> >> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
> >> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
> >> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
> >> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
> >>
> >> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
> >> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
> >> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
> >> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
> >> reservations on this installation.
> >>
> >> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
> >> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
> >> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
> >> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
> >>
> >> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
> >> more along the lines of what I might have.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> Thanks Moe,
> >>
> >> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com
> >> <mailto:moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>>
> >> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
> >> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
> >> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell
> (310)
> >> 350-4594.
> >>
> >> Moe
> >> N680RR
> >> 680Fp
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com <mailto:kenwhyde@aol.com>
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
> >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> >> <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
> >> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock
> that
> >> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
> >> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
> >> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
> >>
> >> Thanks Guy's...
> >>
> >> Ken Hyde
> >> N47AC
> >>
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