---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/24/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:13 AM - Survey Commanders (Barry Collman) 2. 01:37 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (kenwhyde@aol.com) 3. 03:44 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Gary Moshluk) 4. 04:27 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Moe-rosspistons) 5. 04:32 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Moe-rosspistons) 6. 06:33 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 7. 06:56 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (John Vormbaum) 8. 07:05 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Gary Moshluk) 9. 07:32 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (yourtcfg@aol.com) 10. 08:00 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (Don Girod) 11. 10:20 PM - Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:04 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: Survey Commanders Hi Guys, Some years ago now, I had some email correspondence with somebody whose father flew Commanders in the aerial survey role and we covered the subject of wing spars. Some while ago, while Outlook Express was compacting my emails, a bunch of them was lost. So, if that person remembers the exchange of emails, will you please be kind enough to email me again! Very Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders From: kenwhyde@aol.com Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, ? I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. ? Moe N680RR 680Fp ? From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation. After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwhyde@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:40 PM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, Glad to hear that you found the set of discs. You are, of course, very welcome. Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:11 PM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Gary, The single caliper set was on my 680Fp when I purchased it, and according to the logs had been on it a long time. My plane has a max gross weight of 8,000 lbs., and is close to gross most of the time. I have been very happy with the brake system and it stops very well. Moe From: Gary Moshluk Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation. After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwhyde@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:24 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. sorry Harry, what comes around goes around... Brent -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary Moshluk" I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation. After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" = bad egg via personal experience.  Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
 
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
 
Brent
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.  At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.  Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years.  What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with.  I was assured these were proper for Commanders.  The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
 
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure.  Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation.
 
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
 
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have.      
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders

Thanks Moe,

Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of  new disc.

Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders

Ken,
 
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.  If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
 
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
 

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders

HELP!  HELP!  Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!

Thanks Guy's...

Ken Hyde
N47AC


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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:58 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins. Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you spew venom in public. I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience on this list. Cheers, /John skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote: > Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom > that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry > and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. > > sorry Harry, what comes around goes around... > > Brent > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Gary Moshluk" > I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for > my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal > at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper > style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I > received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a > set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the > requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the > Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured > these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear > brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. > > After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the > mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well > structure. Although this set up was superior to the > Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held > reservations on this installation. > > After some further investigation some time later and consultation > with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the > wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were > intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. > > So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps > more along the lines of what I might have. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > > Thanks Moe, > > Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. > > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moe-rosspistons > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > > Ken, > > I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, > they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a > thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) > 350-4594. > > Moe > N680RR > 680Fp > > > *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > > HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that > we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a > spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # > 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! > > Thanks Guy's... > > Ken Hyde > N47AC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > , > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com > : > America's #1 Mapping Site. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:28 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not a single caliper 4 piston installation can potentially be 337'd on a Commander. As I indicated, for me this arrangement is far better (ultimately safer in my opinion) than the original Goodyear brake system. Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland setup on my 560 while not perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern technology. What I was trying to clear up - is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set up a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. sorry Harry, what comes around goes around... Brent -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary Moshluk" I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation. After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwhyde@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. Moe N680RR 680Fp From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders From: yourtcfg@aol.com Single caliper What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style?? -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moshluk Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not?a single caliper?4 piston?installation?can potentially be 337'd on a Commander.? As I indicated, for me this arrangement is far better (ultimately safer in my opinion) than the original Goodyear brake system.? Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland setup on my 560 while not perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern technology. ? What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style?? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" = bad egg via personal experience.? Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. ? sorry Harry,?what comes around?goes around... ? Brent ? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary Moshluk" I bought a set of?"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.? At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.? Of course I assumed?I'd be getting?the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders over the years.??What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be?a set?of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with.? I was assured these were proper?for Commanders.? The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. ? After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure.??Although this?set up was superior to the Goodyear's?and provided performance I have always held reservations on this installation. ? After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland folks?(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting?to?Mitsubishi MU-2's. ? So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the lines of what I might have.?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Thanks Moe, Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Ken, ? I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594. ? Moe N680RR 680Fp ? From: kenwhyde@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! Thanks Guy's... Ken Hyde N47AC Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:43 PM PST US From: "Don Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders John I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and except for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you know he get yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is Harry offered me my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I got the props, fresh from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy with Harry's work. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > > Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am > clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this > board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins. > Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the > penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you > spew venom in public. > > I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't > give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience > on this list. > > Cheers, > > /John > > > > skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote: >> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom >> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry >> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. >> >> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around... >> >> Brent >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Gary Moshluk" >> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for >> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal >> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper >> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I >> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a >> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the >> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the >> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured >> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear >> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. >> >> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the >> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well >> structure. Although this set up was superior to the >> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held >> reservations on this installation. >> >> After some further investigation some time later and consultation >> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the >> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were >> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. >> >> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps >> more along the lines of what I might have. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders >> >> Thanks Moe, >> >> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. >> >> Ken >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Moe-rosspistons > > >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders >> >> Ken, >> >> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, >> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a >> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) >> 350-4594. >> >> Moe >> N680RR >> 680Fp >> >> >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com >> >> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders >> >> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that >> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a >> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # >> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! >> >> Thanks Guy's... >> >> Ken Hyde >> N47AC >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get the MapQuest Toolbar >> , >> Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com >> : >> America's #1 Mapping Site. >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. 4/24/2008 7:24 AM > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:18 PM PST US From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders Funny, when I got my new compact hub Hartzells from the factory back in '99 when they were running their special, we waited weeks for them. Hartzell slowed down my project more than any other item! Cheers, /John Don Girod wrote: > > > John > > I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and > except for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you > know he get yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is > Harry offered me my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I > got the props, fresh from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy > with Harry's work. > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) > STC,d for used on Commanders > > > > > > > Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am > > clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this > > board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various > fly-ins. > > Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time > in the > > penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if > you > > spew venom in public. > > > > I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" > doesn't > > give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your > experience > > on this list. > > > > Cheers, > > > > /John > > > > > > > > skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote: > >> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom > >> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry > >> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con. > >> > >> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around... > >> > >> Brent > >> > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: "Gary Moshluk" > >> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 > for > >> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great > deal > >> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper > >> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I > >> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to > be a > >> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the > >> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the > >> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured > >> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear > >> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day. > >> > >> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the > >> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well > >> structure. Although this set up was superior to the > >> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held > >> reservations on this installation. > >> > >> After some further investigation some time later and consultation > >> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the > >> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were > >> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's. > >> > >> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps > >> more along the lines of what I might have. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com > >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > >> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > >> > >> Thanks Moe, > >> > >> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc. > >> > >> Ken > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Moe-rosspistons >> > > >> To: commander-list@matronics.com > >> > >> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm > >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > >> > >> Ken, > >> > >> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, > >> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a > >> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell > (310) > >> 350-4594. > >> > >> Moe > >> N680RR > >> 680Fp > >> > >> > >> *From:* kenwhyde@aol.com > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM > >> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > >> > >> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit > >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders > >> > >> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock > that > >> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a > >> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # > >> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important! > >> > >> Thanks Guy's... > >> > >> Ken Hyde > >> N47AC > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Get the MapQuest Toolbar > >> , > >> Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > >> > >> * > >> > >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > >> href="http://forums.matronics.com > ">http://forums.matronics.com > > >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > >> * > >> > >> * > >> > >> > >> * > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com > >> : > >> America's #1 Mapping Site. > >> > >> * > >> > >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > >> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > >> * > >> > >> * > >> > >> > >> * > >> > >> * > >> > >> > >> * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 4/24/2008 7:24 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.