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1. 05:14 AM - Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Stan)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Moe-rosspistons)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Moe-rosspistons)
7. 07:51 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (KORY)
8. 07:56 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Brock Lorber)
11. 09:20 AM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Barry Collman)
13. 03:35 PM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Richard & Jacqui Thompson)
14. 07:06 PM - Re: Flight Load Factors (Don)
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| Subject: | Flight Load Factors |
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander Models
and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Flight Load Factors |
HI Barry,
For the 681, it's +3.34/-1.34 G.
Regards,
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander Models and
will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your Manual
and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures, together with the
Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Stan,
My word - somebody's up early on a Saturday morning!
That's really great of you to answer so quickly and I'm most grateful.
Have a great weekend!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
HI Barry,
For the 681, it's +3.34/-1.34 G.
Regards,
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander
Models and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Sir Barry,
680Fp Positive limit load factor is 3.43G's with no negative given.
Moe
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander Models
and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Moe,
Another "West Coaster" up & about early on a Saturday morning!
Grateful thanks Moe.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Sir Barry,
680Fp Positive limit load factor is 3.43G's with no negative given.
Moe
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander
Models and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Barry,
Back in the 1970's a wise old man whom I idolized told me that all of
the money on the west coast was made between 6 and 10 AM. Jokingly, I
replied that I only wanted half of the money, so I would see him about 8
AM. Somewhere around the turn of the century the business climate got
so bad that 6AM was the break even time, and to squeeze a meager profit
you had to start at 5 AM. Now retired, getting up at 5 really makes
sense, so I can "let the good times roll" earlier than most.
Three questions for you and/or our fellow members:
1. Why does the rear door window on my plane have a convex shape, while
all other side windows are perfectly flat?
2. Is anyone else going to Oshkosh in their Commander?
3. Now that a full bag of 100LL for a Commander is over $ 1,000.00 is
anyone here in the southwest going over to Mexico to purchase gas. Some
of the local Gypsy Truckers are, to purchase Diesel, and are saving
about $500.00 per fill up.
Best regards
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Moe,
Another "West Coaster" up & about early on a Saturday morning!
Grateful thanks Moe.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Sir Barry,
680Fp Positive limit load factor is 3.43G's with no negative given.
Moe
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander
Models and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
FOR THE 685
FLAPS UP POSITIVE 3.36 NEGATIVE 1.35
FLAPS DOWN POSITIVE 2.00 NEGATIVE 0.00
KORY
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180894#180894
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Moe,
No wonder I can't afford a Commander - I don't surface until 10am ;-)
I haven't got an answer why the rear door window on your 680F(P) is
different to the others.
I know somebody who might know, so will get back to you on that one.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Barry,
Back in the 1970's a wise old man whom I idolized told me that all of
the money on the west coast was made between 6 and 10 AM. Jokingly, I
replied that I only wanted half of the money, so I would see him about 8
AM. Somewhere around the turn of the century the business climate got
so bad that 6AM was the break even time, and to squeeze a meager profit
you had to start at 5 AM. Now retired, getting up at 5 really makes
sense, so I can "let the good times roll" earlier than most.
Three questions for you and/or our fellow members:
1. Why does the rear door window on my plane have a convex shape,
while all other side windows are perfectly flat?
2. Is anyone else going to Oshkosh in their Commander?
3. Now that a full bag of 100LL for a Commander is over $ 1,000.00 is
anyone here in the southwest going over to Mexico to purchase gas. Some
of the local Gypsy Truckers are, to purchase Diesel, and are saving
about $500.00 per fill up.
Best regards
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:51 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Moe,
Another "West Coaster" up & about early on a Saturday morning!
Grateful thanks Moe.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Sir Barry,
680Fp Positive limit load factor is 3.43G's with no negative given.
Moe
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander
Models and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight
Load Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Kory,
Grateful thanks!
Which 685 is your one?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "KORY" <ONTOPFLYER@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Flight Load Factors
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| FOR THE 685
|
| FLAPS UP POSITIVE 3.36 NEGATIVE 1.35
| FLAPS DOWN POSITIVE 2.00 NEGATIVE 0.00
|
| KORY
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| Subject: | Flight Load Factors |
Barry:
I've got a flight manual, without a signature page, entitled MR. RPM
Aero Commander 680FL(P), FAA Approved 5 Jun, 1974.
FLIGHT LOAD FACTOR
The positive limit load factor is 3.40 G's.
NOTE
A minimum of 400 feet of altitude is required to recover from power off
stalls with 8500 pounds at both forward and aft center of gravity.
Brock
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sat 5/3/2008 5:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander Models
and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your
Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Brock,
Grateful thanks.
I have the figure 3.40 G's for the 'standard' 680FLP as well.
Your help is much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Barry:
I've got a flight manual, without a signature page, entitled MR. RPM Aero
Commander 680FL(P), FAA Approved 5 Jun, 1974.
FLIGHT LOAD FACTOR
The positive limit load factor is 3.40 G's.
NOTE
A minimum of 400 feet of altitude is required to recover from power off stalls
with 8500 pounds at both forward and aft center of gravity.
Brock
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Hi Moe,
My Aero Commander Engineering 'guru' has just replied to your question
regarding the glass in your rear door window.
Here's what he has to say:
"Here is the only thing I can think of regarding a contoured window
being found on a Model 689F(P).
As part of a later interior noise reduction effort we slightly bulged
the cabin windows to reduce the 'drum head' effect resulting from the
windows being energized by outside vibrations.
This was done by placing the plexiglass blank into a forming fixture,
bringing it to forming temperature and inflating it slightly with air
pressure.
The formed pane was then cooled while still under pressure.
This resulting outward bulge in the center of the window panes would
measure about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch in height.
[Of course the edges of the pane were restrained in a flat plane to
match the side of the fuselage which was flat between Z -10.0 and
Z -28.0.]
After the 680FP was out of production for a prescribed period of time it
is doubtful that the Spares Department would have had the factory retain
the 680FP production window tooling since any future spares orders would
have been very few and far between.
If a spares order was received for a 680FP cabin door window it is
possible that the order was filled by fabricating and forming the glass
on the existing 500S tooling.
Since the 500S was unpressurized, the windows were held in place with
clips and there would have been no peripheral screw hole pattern through
the pane to contend with.
This would allow the existing hole pattern in the 680FP door to be
transferred to the replacement glass.
[It is likely that the 680FP windows would have been formed from a
stronger "stretched" type acrylic sheet material while the 500S windows
would be formed from the standard "as cast" acrylic sheet.]"
Hopefully, that will be the reason.
It will be interesting to learn whether any other 680F(P) owners have
the same glass in their door window, or indeed, in any other cabin
windows.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Barry,
Back in the 1970's a wise old man whom I idolized told me that all of
the money on the west coast was made between 6 and 10 AM. Jokingly, I
replied that I only wanted half of the money, so I would see him about 8
AM. Somewhere around the turn of the century the business climate got
so bad that 6AM was the break even time, and to squeeze a meager profit
you had to start at 5 AM. Now retired, getting up at 5 really makes
sense, so I can "let the good times roll" earlier than most.
Three questions for you and/or our fellow members:
1. Why does the rear door window on my plane have a convex shape,
while all other side windows are perfectly flat?
2. Is anyone else going to Oshkosh in their Commander?
3. Now that a full bag of 100LL for a Commander is over $ 1,000.00 is
anyone here in the southwest going over to Mexico to purchase gas. Some
of the local Gypsy Truckers are, to purchase Diesel, and are saving
about $500.00 per fill up.
Best regards
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
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| Subject: | Flight Load Factors |
Hi Barry,
My 680E manual states a positive limit load factor is 3.5 Gs.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander Models and
will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight Load
Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in your Manual
and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures, together with the
Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Load Factors |
Barry;
I'm with you, I thought it was the eleventh commandment, "Don't get up
before the sun", besides, don't know what I would do with half the money
in the world. Too many problems!
Also notice that Moe waited until retired, to tell us how to make all
that money.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Moe,
No wonder I can't afford a Commander - I don't surface until 10am ;-)
I haven't got an answer why the rear door window on your 680F(P) is
different to the others.
I know somebody who might know, so will get back to you on that one.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Barry,
Back in the 1970's a wise old man whom I idolized told me that all
of the money on the west coast was made between 6 and 10 AM. Jokingly,
I replied that I only wanted half of the money, so I would see him about
8 AM. Somewhere around the turn of the century the business climate got
so bad that 6AM was the break even time, and to squeeze a meager profit
you had to start at 5 AM. Now retired, getting up at 5 really makes
sense, so I can "let the good times roll" earlier than most.
Three questions for you and/or our fellow members:
1. Why does the rear door window on my plane have a convex shape,
while all other side windows are perfectly flat?
2. Is anyone else going to Oshkosh in their Commander?
3. Now that a full bag of 100LL for a Commander is over $ 1,000.00
is anyone here in the southwest going over to Mexico to purchase gas.
Some of the local Gypsy Truckers are, to purchase Diesel, and are saving
about $500.00 per fill up.
Best regards
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:51 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Moe,
Another "West Coaster" up & about early on a Saturday morning!
Grateful thanks Moe.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Sir Barry,
680Fp Positive limit load factor is 3.43G's with no negative
given.
Moe
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Load Factors
Hi Guys,
I need some help.
I haven't got a copy of numerous Flight Manuals for the Commander
Models and will really appreciate your help.
I understand that somewhere within these Manuals are the "Flight
Load Factors" for the Model.
Could I ask that you take the proverbial "5 minutes" to look in
your Manual and let me know the 'Positive G' and 'Negative G' figures,
together with the Model concerned.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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