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Sat 05/17/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 10:49 AM - 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (Stan)
     2. 04:09 PM - Another brilliant one... (Chris)
     3. 05:14 PM - Re: Another brilliant one... (Robert S. Randazzo)
     4. 06:17 PM - Re: Thank you: Bill Leff (yourtcfg@aol.com)
     5. 09:10 PM - Re: Thank you: Bill Leff (nico css)
     6. 09:13 PM - Re: Thank you: Bill Leff (Robert S. Randazzo)
     7. 10:47 PM - Re: Thank you: Bill Leff (John Vormbaum)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:49:34 AM PST US
    From: "Stan" <swperk@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
    Hi All, Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my schedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available for the fly-in. Thanks, Stan N681SP


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    Time: 04:09:51 PM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Another brilliant one...
    Barry, I guess you can remove this one from the "flying" list. Anyone know who the genius pilot was? Chris ===================================== NTSB Identification: *DFW08LA139* 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, May 08, 2008 in Hope, AR Aircraft: Commander AC-680, registration: N39BA Injuries: 2 Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On May 8, 2008, at 1019 central daylight time, an Aero Commander AT-680E, N39BA, a twin-engine airplane, sustained substantial damage during an emergency landing at Hope Municipal Airport (M18), Hope Arkansas. The private pilot and the passenger were not injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by the pilot. No flight plan was filed for the flight that departed Carlisle Municipal Airport (4M3), Carlisle, Arkansas, about 0900, and was destined for Terrell Municipal Airport (TRL),Terrell, Texas. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal flight conducted under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. According to two witnesses, who were working a security detail at the airport, they both saw the airplane as it made its approach to land. The witnesses said the airplane "sounded bad" and it was "weaving back and forth" as it approached the runway with its right wing low. The airplane landed, then bounced several times before it came to a complete stop. One of the witnesses said the airplane was never fully lined up with the runway. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) safety inspectors performed an on-scene examination of the airplane. According to the inspectors, the airplane came to rest in a field adjacent to the runway and sustained substantial damage to the right wing and tail cone. The right main and nose landing gear was damaged, and all three propeller blades on the right engine were bent aft at the tips. The airplane was equipped with three fuel tanks in each wing; one inboard of the engine nacelle and two outboard of the engine nacelle. The right wing's two outboard tanks had been disabled and only the right inboard tank was being utilized at the time of the accident. It appeared to be less than a quarter full. Approximately two cups of what appeared to be a mixture of brown sludgy debris, water, and blue fuel were drained from the main fuel strainer in the fuselage. It was also noted that several avionics were not installed in the instrument panel and a large amount of duct tape was placed over a panel on the nose cone near the pilot's side windshield. The pilot held a private pilot certificate for airplane single-engine land only. His last FAA third class medical was issued on February 5, 2008. At that time, he reported a total of 600 hours. Weather at Texarkana Regional Airport-Webb Field (TXK), Texarkana, Arkansas, about 23 miles southwest of Hope, Arkansas, at 1104, was reported as wind from 260 degrees at 10 knots gusting to 17 knots, visibility 10 statute miles, few clouds at 2,300 feet, scattered clouds at 2,800 feet, overcast clouds at 3,600 feet, temperature 70 degrees, dew point 60 degrees, and a barometric pressure setting of 29.74 inches of Mercury. ------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 05:14:27 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Another brilliant one...
    Wow.. Sometimes you just wind up scratching your head. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Another brilliant one... Barry, I guess you can remove this one from the "flying" list. Anyone know who the genius pilot was? Chris ===================================== NTSB Identification: DFW08LA139 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, May 08, 2008 in Hope, AR Aircraft: Commander AC-680, registration: N39BA Injuries: 2 Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On May 8, 2008, at 1019 central daylight time, an Aero Commander AT-680E, N39BA, a twin-engine airplane, sustained substantial damage during an emergency landing at Hope Municipal Airport (M18), Hope Arkansas. The private pilot and the passenger were not injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by the pilot. No flight plan was filed for the flight that departed Carlisle Municipal Airport (4M3), Carlisle, Arkansas, about 0900, and was destined for Terrell Municipal Airport (TRL),Terrell, Texas. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal flight conducted under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. According to two witnesses, who were working a security detail at the airport, they both saw the airplane as it made its approach to land. The witnesses said the airplane "sounded bad" and it was "weaving back and forth" as it approached the runway with its right wing low. The airplane landed, then bounced several times before it came to a complete stop. One of the witnesses said the airplane was never fully lined up with the runway. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) safety inspectors performed an on-scene examination of the airplane. According to the inspectors, the airplane came to rest in a field adjacent to the runway and sustained substantial damage to the right wing and tail cone. The right main and nose landing gear was damaged, and all three propeller blades on the right engine were bent aft at the tips. The airplane was equipped with three fuel tanks in each wing; one inboard of the engine nacelle and two outboard of the engine nacelle. The right wing's two outboard tanks had been disabled and only the right inboard tank was being utilized at the time of the accident. It appeared to be less than a quarter full. Approximately two cups of what appeared to be a mixture of brown sludgy debris, water, and blue fuel were drained from the main fuel strainer in the fuselage. It was also noted that several avionics were not installed in the instrument panel and a large amount of duct tape was placed over a panel on the nose cone near the pilot's side windshield. The pilot held a private pilot certificate for airplane single-engine land only. His last FAA third class medical was issued on February 5, 2008. At that time, he reported a total of 600 hours. Weather at Texarkana Regional Airport-Webb Field (TXK), Texarkana, Arkansas, about 23 miles southwest of Hope, Arkansas, at 1104, was reported as wind from 260 degrees at 10 knots gusting to 17 knots, visibility 10 statute miles, few clouds at 2,300 feet, scattered clouds at 2,800 feet, overcast clouds at 3,600 feet, temperature 70 degrees, dew point 60 degrees, and a barometric pressure setting of 29.74 inches of Mercury. _____


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    Time: 06:17:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Thank you: Bill Leff
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    I too had suggested that flued was bypassing the seal, glad it worked!!=C2 - One problem at a time.=C2- jb We pulled the flap actuator- couldn=99t find anything visibly wrong wi th it- but put new seals in anyway.=C2- -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:43 pm Subject: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff Bill- =C2- Thought I=99d send out a public Thank-You for your advice on my flap p roblem from last month. =C2- We pulled the flap actuator- couldn=99t find anything visibly wrong wi th it- but put new seals in anyway.=C2- =C2- Have put about 6hrs on the airplane since then with no further problems. =C2- I=99m happy to say that after nearly three years of restoration, N414C is finally back in service.=C2- Only thing we=99re chasing now lous y pressurization- but we=99ll get that solved in no time, I=99m certain. =C2- =C2- Robert S. Randazzo N414C -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 09:10:20 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Thank you: Bill Leff
    Well, this confirms why i didn't become a mechanic. And why I stayed away from opening cowls and covers and stuff. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff I too had suggested that flued was bypassing the seal, glad it worked!! One problem at a time. jb We pulled the flap actuator- couldn't find anything visibly wrong with it- but put new seals in anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:43 pm Subject: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff Bill- Thought I'd send out a public Thank-You for your advice on my flap problem from last month. We pulled the flap actuator- couldn't find anything visibly wrong with it- but put new seals in anyway. Have put about 6hrs on the airplane since then with no further problems. I'm happy to say that after nearly three years of restoration, N414C is finally back in service. Only thing we're chasing now lousy pressurization- but we'll get that solved in no time, I'm certain. Robert S. Randazzo N414C target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping Site.


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    Time: 09:13:55 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Thank you: Bill Leff
    JB- No disrespect intended. ;-) Have flown N414C now on four flights in the past two days. Airplane is performing flawlessly. Just have to figure out why she=99s stopped pressurizing- and get rid of one really minor squawk with the new autopilot Was pushing 100F all around here today- and MAN those thermals get to be annoying. Been so long since I=99ve flown an airplane without a yaw damper that I=99d forgotten you have to actually use for feet to fly it. :-p Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff I too had suggested that flued was bypassing the seal, glad it worked!! One problem at a time. jb We pulled the flap actuator- couldn=99t find anything visibly wrong with it- but put new seals in anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:43 pm Subject: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff Bill- Thought I=99d send out a public Thank-You for your advice on my flap problem from last month. We pulled the flap actuator- couldn=99t find anything visibly wrong with it- but put new seals in anyway. Have put about 6hrs on the airplane since then with no further problems. I=99m happy to say that after nearly three years of restoration, N414C is finally back in service. Only thing we=99re chasing now lousy pressurization- but we=99ll get that solved in no time, I=99m certain. Robert S. Randazzo N414C target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Plan your next roadtrip with <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:47:14 PM PST US
    From: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Thank you: Bill Leff
    Yaw damper? Feet? You long-fuselage guys must have a lot more stuff to deal with than us short-fuselage guys. A yaw damper on my 500B would be useless equipment....I can't get her to wiggle her butt no matter what the thermals are doing! /J Robert S. Randazzo wrote: > > JB- > > > > No disrespect intended. ;-) > > > > Have flown N414C now on four flights in the past two days. Airplane > is performing flawlessly. > > > > Just have to figure out why shes stopped pressurizing- and get rid of > one really minor squawk with the new autopilot > > > > Was pushing 100F all around here today- and MAN those thermals get to > be annoying. Been so long since Ive flown an airplane without a yaw > damper that Id forgotten you have to actually use for feet to fly > it. :-p > > > > Robert S. Randazzo > > N414C > > > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *yourtcfg@aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:14 PM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff > > > > I too had suggested that flued was bypassing the seal, glad it > worked!! One problem at a time. jb > > We pulled the flap actuator- couldnt find anything visibly wrong with > it- but put new seals in anyway. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com> > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:43 pm > Subject: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff > > Bill- > > > > Thought Id send out a public Thank-You for your advice on my flap > problem from last month. > > > > We pulled the flap actuator- couldnt find anything visibly wrong with > it- but put new seals in anyway. > > > > Have put about 6hrs on the airplane since then with no further problems. > > > > Im happy to say that after nearly three years of restoration, N414C > is finally back in service. Only thing were chasing now lousy > pressurization- but well get that solved in no time, Im certain. > > > > > > Robert S. Randazzo > > N414C > > * * > * * > * target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > *://forums.matronics.com* > *lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Plan your next roadtrip with _MapQuest.com_ > <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004>: America's #1 > Mapping Site. > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_* > ** > ** > ** > *_http://forums.matronics.com_* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_* > ** > * * > * > > > *




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