---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/18/08: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Re: Thank you: Bill Leff (Chris) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: Another brilliant one... (Barry Collman) 3. 04:50 PM - Re: Another brilliant one... (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:08 AM PST US From: Chris Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thank you: Bill Leff John Vormbaum wrote: > ....I can't get her to wiggle her butt no matter what the thermals are > doing! Just don't ever put a long nose on your bird John. I'm always amazed at how badly that destabilizes an airplane in the yaw axis. I have a friend with the same year Aztec I have but with the long nose. I wallows around in rough air something terrible compared to my my short nose airplane. Also more of a "mushy" feel in pitch at low airspeed in comparison. chris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:19 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another brilliant one... Thanks Chris, This is a 680E, s/n 868, that was built as a 560E, then converted later on. As far as I know, the owner is Marvin J McWhorter, who is registered at Camden, Tennessee. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: Commander-List: Another brilliant one... Barry, I guess you can remove this one from the "flying" list. Anyone know who the genius pilot was? Chris ============ NTSB Identification: DFW08LA139 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, May 08, 2008 in Hope, AR Aircraft: Commander AC-680, registration: N39BA Injuries: 2 Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On May 8, 2008, at 1019 central daylight time, an Aero Commander AT-680E, N39BA, a twin-engine airplane, sustained substantial damage during an emergency landing at Hope Municipal Airport (M18), Hope Arkansas. The private pilot and the passenger were not injured. The airplane was registered to and operated by the pilot. No flight plan was filed for the flight that departed Carlisle Municipal Airport (4M3), Carlisle, Arkansas, about 0900, and was destined for Terrell Municipal Airport (TRL),Terrell, Texas. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal flight conducted under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. According to two witnesses, who were working a security detail at the airport, they both saw the airplane as it made its approach to land. The witnesses said the airplane "sounded bad" and it was "weaving back and forth" as it approached the runway with its right wing low. The airplane landed, then bounced several times before it came to a complete stop. One of the witnesses said the airplane was never fully lined up with the runway. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) safety inspectors performed an on-scene examination of the airplane. According to the inspectors, the airplane came to rest in a field adjacent to the runway and sustained substantial damage to the right wing and tail cone. The right main and nose landing gear was damaged, and all three propeller blades on the right engine were bent aft at the tips. The airplane was equipped with three fuel tanks in each wing; one inboard of the engine nacelle and two outboard of the engine nacelle. The right wing's two outboard tanks had been disabled and only the right inboard tank was being utilized at the time of the accident. It appeared to be less than a quarter full. Approximately two cups of what appeared to be a mixture of brown sludgy debris, water, and blue fuel were drained from the main fuel strainer in the fuselage. It was also noted that several avionics were not installed in the instrument panel and a large amount of duct tape was placed over a panel on the nose cone near the pilot's side windshield. The pilot held a private pilot certificate for airplane single-engine land only. His last FAA third class medical was issued on February 5, 2008. At that time, he reported a total of 600 hours. Weather at Texarkana Regional Airport-Webb Field (TXK), Texarkana, Arkansas, about 23 miles southwest of Hope, Arkansas, at 1104, was reported as wind from 260 degrees at 10 knots gusting to 17 knots, visibility 10 statute miles, few clouds at 2,300 feet, scattered clouds at 2,800 feet, overcast clouds at 3,600 feet, temperature 70 degrees, dew point 60 degrees, and a barometric pressure setting of 29.74 inches of Mercury. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:49 PM PST US From: Chris Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another brilliant one... Barry Collman wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > This is a 680E, s/n 868, that was built as a 560E, then converted > later on. Can't say I've ever seen that one or know the owner. It just burns me that idiots like that make life miserable for those of who who take the privilege of flying seriously. From the report, that wasn't an accident - it was a series of very irresponsible decisions which ended up destroying yet another airplane. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.