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Wed 05/21/08


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 12:11 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Robert S. Randazzo)
     2. 03:27 AM - Capt Windham...are you locking in for Wiley Post? ()
     3. 04:55 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Chris)
     4. 06:01 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
     5. 07:29 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (Steele, Bob)
     6. 08:13 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (Barry Collman)
     7. 08:17 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Bruce Campbell)
     8. 09:07 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Chris)
     9. 10:26 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Don)
    10. 01:40 PM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Moe-rosspistons)
    11. 04:37 PM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (yourtcfg@aol.com)
    12. 07:41 PM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (lloyd SILVERMAN)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:11:45 AM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    Ray- Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part can be purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500. (It is drop shipped from Twin Commander Aircraft Company- but they won't deal with you directly on the sale.) We had this problem with N414C, and tried all the various venues for secondary market parts without any luck. Wound up parting with the money. Be careful with the part- as they are very fragile. Our shop had two of them break during installation- fortunately we were able to avail ourselves of some good customer service from Twin Commander Corporation to take both the broken ones back. We felt that they were defective upon arrival- and after looking them over TCAC agreed. But it was still an expensive item. If you have any questions- just shout them out and I'll do my best to answer for you. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system Hello, Trying to get the annual completed on the AC-68 (680 FLP) I fly. Does anyone know a source for a 10-200 ohm variable resistor that's used in the trim tab position indicator system? The indicator fluctuates a lot or shows 15 degrees up setting most of the time. Maintenance thinks it's this resistor as it was loose and looked overheated when they inspected the system. Am also checking with the local avionics folks. Trying to cover all bases as parts for this plane are sometimes hard to find. Thank you, Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185


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    Time: 03:27:21 AM PST US
    From: <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
    Subject: Capt Windham...are you locking in for Wiley Post?


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    Time: 04:55:36 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    Robert S. Randazzo wrote: > > Ray- > > Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part > can be purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500. > I'd be very interested to see this part. If it's a simple wire-wound form resistor, I know a shop that could likely re-wind them for a modest fee. I believe if you were to send "specifications and directions" along with the broken part that such a repair is legal under the "owner produced parts" section of the FARs. Does anyone have the ability to email a few pictures to me? Chris do not archive


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    Time: 06:01:18 AM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
    bc, if you fly into DFW would you like a ride to PWA? gmc From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubjec t: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In DatesDate: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:36:3 1 +0100 Hi Bob, 3 trips is nothing, absolute peanuts. I've got to use a Boeing 777 to bring all my luggage over ;-) See you there ! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Steele, Bob Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates CJB, Sandy and I will be attending. Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers? I would like to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3 trips. Thanks, Bob From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.comSent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:24 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: 20 08 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hi Stan & Others, The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21. We have secure d the site with the current Service Center and are in the process of negoti ating rates with a local hotel. However, the hotel contract may require fu nding any non-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how many of you are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number of rooms. We're getting excited about seeing all of you again. ~jb-----Or iginal Message-----From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net>To: commander-list@matr onics.comSent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 amSubject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hi All, Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my s chedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available fo r the fly-in. Thanks, Stan N681SP Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:29:04 AM PST US
    Subject: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
    From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele@kzf.com>
    Richard, I tried one of those storage contraptions you have seen hanging off the belly of a Caravan. Soon as we took the Commander down from the jacks - we crushed it. We probably should have read the manual about the required clearance. As for Sandy helping, this year I have bought her some lighted batons, with holster. This ought to speed up the process of unloading and loading (in the white zone only of course). See you in September! (I wonder if the hotel bar serves chocolate martinis.) Regards, Bob ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hey Bob, I seem to remember that you are an expert on luggage carriers. We had the pleasure of observing you in action at Fredricksburg. Under instruction of course by the beautiful Sandy. Need to see a solo effort this year. (ever thought of fitting roof racks to your bird?) Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 6:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates CJB, Sandy and I will be attending. Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers? I would like to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3 trips. Thanks, Bob ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hi Stan & Others, The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21. We have secured the site with the current Service Center and are in the process of negotiating rates with a local hotel. However, the hotel contract may require funding any non-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how many of you are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number of rooms. We're getting excited about seeing all of you again. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net> Sent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 am Subject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hi All, Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my schedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available for the fly-in. Thanks, Stan N681SP ________________________________ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping Site. http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:13:17 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
    Hi Mason, That's really most kind of you, but at this moment in time, I'm planning on getting to OKC a day or two early. Hopefully, I can then get some photos as the attendee Commanders arrive, before they're parked wing-tip to wing-tip. That always makes getting good shots virtually impossible. In any event, I'll certainly be looking forward to seeing you again. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates bc, if you fly into DFW would you like a ride to PWA? gmc


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    Time: 08:17:07 AM PST US
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    Subject: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an externally actuated arm controlling the wiper. Replacing or rewinding the resistor would probably fix the problem, though the wiper also should be cleaned and retensioned. I had this issue with 4186B. I talked to the company what makes them. They were sympathetic and advised the repair as described. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system Robert S. Randazzo wrote: > > Ray- > > Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part > can be purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500. > I'd be very interested to see this part. If it's a simple wire-wound form resistor, I know a shop that could likely re-wind them for a modest fee. I believe if you were to send "specifications and directions" along with the broken part that such a repair is legal under the "owner produced parts" section of the FARs. Does anyone have the ability to email a few pictures to me? Chris do not archive


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    Time: 09:07:20 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    Bruce Campbell wrote: > I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an externally actuated arm controlling the wiper. I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with ease: http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm Chris


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    Time: 10:26:20 AM PST US
    From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if it can be reproduced economically. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system > > Bruce Campbell wrote: >> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear >> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an >> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper. > > I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound > around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some > enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part > and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with > ease: > http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 3:51 PM


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    Time: 01:40:43 PM PST US
    From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    Hi Folks, Yes, an economically produced part could probably be sold to several of us. Having said that, after 28 years of flying aircraft that did not have a good functioning trim indicator, would I ever remember to look at it? Moe N680RR 680Fp -------------------------------------------------- From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system > > I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if > it can be reproduced economically. > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system > > >> >> Bruce Campbell wrote: >>> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear >>> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an >>> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper. >> >> I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound >> around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some >> enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part >> and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with >> ease: >> http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG. > 3:51 PM > > >


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    Time: 04:37:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    Bob, No problem with the luggage carts, but need to make sure you are type rated to handle one and have the necessary licenses and a Class 1 medical.=C2- R emember, we'll be watching your taxi and handling of said carts. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele@kzf.com> Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 7:26 am Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Richard, =C2- I tried one of those storage contraptions you have seen hanging off the bell y of a Caravan.=C2- Soon as we took the Commander down from the jacks =93 we crushed it.=C2- We probably should have read the manual about th e required clearance. =C2- As for Sandy helping, this year I have bought her some lighted batons, with holster.=C2- This ought to speed up the process of unloading and loading ( in the white zone only of course). =C2- See you in September!=C2- (I wonder if the hotel bar serves chocolate mart inis.) =C2- Regards, =C2- Bob =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates =C2- Hey Bob, I seem to remember that you are an expert on luggage carriers. We had the pl easure of observing you in action at Fredricksburg. Under instruction of cou rse by the beautiful Sandy. Need to see a solo effort this year. (ever thoug ht of fitting roof racks to your bird?) Cheers Richard =C2- -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 6:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates =C2- CJB, =C2- Sandy and I will be attending.=C2- =C2- Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers?=C2- I would l ike to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3 trips. =C2- Thanks, =C2- Bob =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates =C2- Hi Stan & Others, The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21.=C2- We have secured the site wit h the current Service Center and are in the process of negotiating rates wit h a local hotel.=C2- However, the hotel contract may require funding any n on-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how many of you are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number of rooms. =C2- We're getting excited about seeing all of you again. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net> Sent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 am Subject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates Hi All, =C2- Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my sc hedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available for the fly-in. =C2- Thanks, Stan N681SP =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ==================


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    Time: 07:41:03 PM PST US
    From: "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
    MOE, 40+ YEARS AGO I WORKED AT A COMPANY THAT MANUFACTURED AN ALMOST IDENTICAL PART FOR GRUMAN. THE WIRE WAS "EVANOHM MANUFACTURED BY WIBUR DRIVER CO. OR AN EQUAL BY DRIVER HARRIS CO. THE TEMP COEF WAS 20 PPM/DEG C. WIRE SIZE WAS .010 , I DONT REMEMBER # OF TURNS BUT 500 OHMS IS CORRECT. (REMEMBER ALLTHAT BUT WHAT DID I HAVE FOR BREAKFAST THIS MORNING?). THE SUBSTRATE WAS EPOXY BOARD ,SIMILAR TO G10. SHOULD BE RATHER SIMPLE FOR ANY AMBITIOUS ELEC ENGR OR TECH TO REPAIR THEM. RGDS,6290X 500B ,LLOYD SILVERMAN On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote: > <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> > > Hi Folks, > > Yes, an economically produced part could probably be sold to several of us. > Having said that, after 28 years of flying aircraft that did not have a good > functioning trim indicator, would I ever remember to look at it? > > Moe > N680RR > 680Fp > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:23 AM > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system > >> >> I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if >> it can be reproduced economically. >> >> Don >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net> >> To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system >> >> >>> >>> Bruce Campbell wrote: >>>> >>>> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear >>>> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an >>>> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper. >>> >>> I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound >>> around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some >>> enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part >>> and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with >>> ease: >>> http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG. >> 3:51 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- LLOYD




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