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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 03:27 AM - Capt Windham...are you locking in for Wiley Post? ()
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Chris)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (Steele, Bob)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (Barry Collman)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Bruce Campbell)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Chris)
9. 10:26 AM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Don)
10. 01:40 PM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (Moe-rosspistons)
11. 04:37 PM - Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates (yourtcfg@aol.com)
12. 07:41 PM - Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system (lloyd SILVERMAN)
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Subject: | Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
Ray-
Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part can be
purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500. (It is drop
shipped from Twin Commander Aircraft Company- but they won't deal with you
directly on the sale.)
We had this problem with N414C, and tried all the various venues for
secondary market parts without any luck. Wound up parting with the money.
Be careful with the part- as they are very fragile. Our shop had two of
them break during installation- fortunately we were able to avail ourselves
of some good customer service from Twin Commander Corporation to take both
the broken ones back. We felt that they were defective upon arrival- and
after looking them over TCAC agreed.
But it was still an expensive item.
If you have any questions- just shout them out and I'll do my best to answer
for you.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
Hello,
Trying to get the annual completed on the AC-68 (680 FLP) I fly. Does
anyone know a source for a 10-200 ohm variable resistor that's used in the
trim tab position indicator system? The indicator fluctuates a lot or shows
15 degrees up setting most of the time. Maintenance thinks it's this
resistor as it was loose and looked overheated when they inspected the
system.
Am also checking with the local avionics folks.
Trying to cover all bases as parts for this plane are sometimes hard to
find.
Thank you,
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
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Subject: | Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
Robert S. Randazzo wrote:
>
> Ray-
>
> Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part
> can be purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500.
>
I'd be very interested to see this part. If it's a simple wire-wound
form resistor, I know a shop that could likely re-wind them for a modest
fee. I believe if you were to send "specifications and directions"
along with the broken part that such a repair is legal under the "owner
produced parts" section of the FARs. Does anyone have the ability to
email a few pictures to me?
Chris
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Subject: | 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates |
bc, if you fly into DFW would you like a ride to PWA? gmc
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubjec
t: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In DatesDate: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:36:3
1 +0100
Hi Bob,
3 trips is nothing, absolute peanuts.
I've got to use a Boeing 777 to bring all my luggage over ;-)
See you there !
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Steele, Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
CJB,
Sandy and I will be attending.
Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers? I would like
to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3 trips.
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.comSent: Monday, May 19,
2008 3:24 PMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: 20
08 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Hi Stan & Others, The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21. We have secure
d the site with the current Service Center and are in the process of negoti
ating rates with a local hotel. However, the hotel contract may require fu
nding any non-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how
many of you are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number
of rooms. We're getting excited about seeing all of you again. ~jb-----Or
iginal Message-----From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net>To: commander-list@matr
onics.comSent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 amSubject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG
Fly-In Dates
Hi All,
Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my s
chedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available fo
r the fly-in.
Thanks,
Stan
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Subject: | 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates |
Richard,
I tried one of those storage contraptions you have seen hanging off the
belly of a Caravan. Soon as we took the Commander down from the jacks -
we crushed it. We probably should have read the manual about the
required clearance.
As for Sandy helping, this year I have bought her some lighted batons,
with holster. This ought to speed up the process of unloading and
loading (in the white zone only of course).
See you in September! (I wonder if the hotel bar serves chocolate
martinis.)
Regards,
Bob
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
& Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Hey Bob,
I seem to remember that you are an expert on luggage carriers. We had
the pleasure of observing you in action at Fredricksburg. Under
instruction of course by the beautiful Sandy. Need to see a solo effort
this year. (ever thought of fitting roof racks to your bird?)
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele,
Bob
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
CJB,
Sandy and I will be attending.
Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers? I would
like to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3
trips.
Thanks,
Bob
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Hi Stan & Others,
The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21. We have secured the site with
the current Service Center and are in the process of negotiating rates
with a local hotel. However, the hotel contract may require funding any
non-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how many
of you are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number of
rooms.
We're getting excited about seeing all of you again.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Hi All,
Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning
my schedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend
available for the fly-in.
Thanks,
Stan
N681SP
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Subject: | Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates |
Hi Mason,
That's really most kind of you, but at this moment in time, I'm planning
on getting to OKC a day or two early.
Hopefully, I can then get some photos as the attendee Commanders arrive,
before they're parked wing-tip to wing-tip.
That always makes getting good shots virtually impossible.
In any event, I'll certainly be looking forward to seeing you again.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
bc, if you fly into DFW would you like a ride to PWA? gmc
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Subject: | Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear variable
resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an externally actuated
arm controlling the wiper. Replacing or rewinding the resistor would probably
fix the problem, though the wiper also should be cleaned and retensioned.
I had this issue with 4186B.
I talked to the company what makes them. They were sympathetic and advised the
repair as described.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
Robert S. Randazzo wrote:
>
> Ray-
>
> Unfortunately, this is a common fault item in Commanders. The part
> can be purchased through a Commander Service Center for about $3500.
>
I'd be very interested to see this part. If it's a simple wire-wound
form resistor, I know a shop that could likely re-wind them for a modest
fee. I believe if you were to send "specifications and directions"
along with the broken part that such a repair is legal under the "owner
produced parts" section of the FARs. Does anyone have the ability to
email a few pictures to me?
Chris
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
Bruce Campbell wrote:
> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear variable
resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an externally actuated
arm controlling the wiper.
I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound
around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some
enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part
and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with ease:
http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm
Chris
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Subject: | Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if it
can be reproduced economically.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
>
> Bruce Campbell wrote:
>> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear
>> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an
>> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper.
>
> I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound
> around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some
> enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part
> and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with
> ease:
> http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm
>
> Chris
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
Hi Folks,
Yes, an economically produced part could probably be sold to several of us.
Having said that, after 28 years of flying aircraft that did not have a good
functioning trim indicator, would I ever remember to look at it?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
>
> I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if
> it can be reproduced economically.
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
>
>
>>
>> Bruce Campbell wrote:
>>> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear
>>> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an
>>> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper.
>>
>> I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound
>> around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some
>> enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part
>> and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with
>> ease:
>> http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 3:51 PM
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates |
Bob,
No problem with the luggage carts, but need to make sure you are type rated
to handle one and have the necessary licenses and a Class 1 medical.=C2- R
emember, we'll be watching your taxi and handling of said carts.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele@kzf.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 7:26 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Richard,
=C2-
I tried one of those storage contraptions you have seen hanging off the bell
y of a Caravan.=C2- Soon as we took the Commander down from the jacks
=93 we crushed it.=C2- We probably should have read the manual about th
e required clearance.
=C2-
As for Sandy helping, this year I have bought her some lighted batons, with
holster.=C2- This ought to speed up the process of unloading and loading (
in the white zone only of course).
=C2-
See you in September!=C2- (I wonder if the hotel bar serves chocolate mart
inis.)
=C2-
Regards,
=C2-
Bob
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
=C2-
Hey Bob,
I seem to remember that you are an expert on luggage carriers. We had the pl
easure of observing you in action at Fredricksburg. Under instruction of cou
rse by the beautiful Sandy. Need to see a solo effort this year. (ever thoug
ht of fitting roof racks to your bird?)
Cheers
Richard
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
=C2-
CJB,
=C2-
Sandy and I will be attending.=C2-
=C2-
Can you make sure the motel has the larger luggage carriers?=C2- I would l
ike to keep the luggage carrying from the car to the room to just 3 trips.
=C2-
Thanks,
=C2-
Bob
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
=C2-
Hi Stan & Others,
The TCFG Flyin dates are September 18-21.=C2- We have secured the site wit
h the current Service Center and are in the process of negotiating rates wit
h a local hotel.=C2- However, the hotel contract may require funding any n
on-used rooms, so we would like to get a rough estimation of how many of you
are planning on attending so we can book an appropriate number of rooms.
=C2-
We're getting excited about seeing all of you again.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan <swperk@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Commander-List: 2008 TCFG Fly-In Dates
Hi All,
=C2-
Have the dates for the fly-in been finalized? I need to start planning my sc
hedule for September and want to be sure to keep that weekend available for
the fly-in.
=C2-
Thanks,
Stan
N681SP
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Resistor for trim tab indicator system |
MOE, 40+ YEARS AGO I WORKED AT A COMPANY THAT MANUFACTURED AN ALMOST
IDENTICAL PART FOR GRUMAN. THE WIRE WAS "EVANOHM MANUFACTURED BY
WIBUR DRIVER CO. OR AN EQUAL BY DRIVER HARRIS CO. THE TEMP COEF WAS
20 PPM/DEG C. WIRE SIZE WAS .010 , I DONT REMEMBER # OF TURNS BUT 500
OHMS IS CORRECT. (REMEMBER ALLTHAT BUT WHAT DID I HAVE FOR BREAKFAST
THIS MORNING?). THE SUBSTRATE WAS EPOXY BOARD ,SIMILAR TO G10.
SHOULD BE RATHER SIMPLE FOR ANY AMBITIOUS ELEC ENGR OR TECH TO REPAIR
THEM. RGDS,6290X 500B ,LLOYD SILVERMAN
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Moe-rosspistons
<moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Yes, an economically produced part could probably be sold to several of us.
> Having said that, after 28 years of flying aircraft that did not have a good
> functioning trim indicator, would I ever remember to look at it?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Don" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
>
>>
>> I think several of us Commander owners might be in need of this part, if
>> it can be reproduced economically.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net>
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Resistor for trim tab indicator system
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Campbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't email the pictures, but the description is a wire wound linear
>>>> variable resistor (I think 500ohm or thereabouts) in a frame with an
>>>> externally actuated arm controlling the wiper.
>>>
>>> I vaguely remember that. If the core piece that the wire is wound
>>> around is in good shape, this should be an easy and cheap repair. Some
>>> enterprising person might want to just design a real replacement part
>>> and get a PMA on it even. This place could probably do the job with
>>> ease:
>>> http://www.classic-coil.com/classic-coil/index.htm
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG.
>> 3:51 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
LLOYD
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