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1. 02:56 AM - Re: The 2008 "60th Anniversary" Fly-In ()
2. 05:11 AM - Re: SB-90C (Chris)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: SB-90C (nico css)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: SB-90C (mike floyd)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: SB-90C (Chris)
6. 11:32 AM - Re: SB-90C (nico css)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: SB-90C (Don Barry Home)
8. 04:14 PM - Re: SB-90C (Budplaster@aol.com)
9. 07:20 PM - Re: SB-90C (Don)
10. 07:43 PM - Re: SB-90C (yourtcfg@aol.com)
11. 08:19 PM - Re: SB-90C (Ray Mansfield)
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| Subject: | The 2008 "60th Anniversary" Fly-In |
G'day Folks,
In your diaries note that the location for the Flyin is Wiley Post Airport,
Bethany, Oklahoma...the birthplace of the prototype 60 years ago.
I understand that the Commander Service Center at this airport will be a
key feature of the Flyin.
Jim & Sue are busy 'crunching' accommodation details which will be
released soon....I can taste the BBQ Spare Ribs and corn cobs already.
Our challenge is to get 60 Commanders along this year.
Cheers
Russell
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Tom Fisher wrote:
> Let me know what he says if posted off-list.
Better yet,
Get some of this valuable information collected and posted to the web
site. The amount of fantastic data that has flowed through this list
then off into the great bit bucked is really sad. To this day, I get
phone calls with questions from people who tried to find answers on web
sites. JB/Nico - no offense intended at all, but there are a lot of
holes in the web site. There were some really great documents - like
Barry's master STC list - and the detailed model descriptions that are
gone now. Quite a few broken links as well. The site used to have a
tech tips section with some AD/SB info as well as user submitted
documentation like Milt's 685 performance calculator. I think it would
be a great service to Commander owners to put some effort into putting
valuable commander-specific information online.
All to soon, none of "us" are going to be here and that web site may be
the only backup of the tribal lore!
Chris
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Folks,
I take all criticism in a positive spirit and admit that the site hasn't in
the past received the attention it deserved. That started to change a while
ago, which I hope was noticeable in the smaller changes being dealt with
more rapidly.
I believe that I still have all the communications in archive that has been
sent over the years. If I remember correctly, when this list went over to
Matronics from the previous list-hosting service, I supplied most of the
historical posts from my archives to prevent a restart from scratch. So, I
will retrieve whatever I have from said archive and work it into the site. I
need your patience and indulgence as I work on this labor of love.
Keep the comments flowing, especially regarding broken links, spelling
mistakes, and other irritating things. Please be specific where the errors
are spotted by stating the page name and perhaps referencing a paragraph, so
that finding a problem doesn't involve saddling up a posse. The policy is to
take care of those almost immediately so that the small items don't bog the
site down.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C
Tom Fisher wrote:
> Let me know what he says if posted off-list.
Better yet,
Get some of this valuable information collected and posted to the web
site. The amount of fantastic data that has flowed through this list
then off into the great bit bucked is really sad. To this day, I get phone
calls with questions from people who tried to find answers on web sites.
JB/Nico - no offense intended at all, but there are a lot of
holes in the web site. There were some really great documents - like
Barry's master STC list - and the detailed model descriptions that are gone
now. Quite a few broken links as well. The site used to have a tech tips
section with some AD/SB info as well as user submitted documentation like
Milt's 685 performance calculator. I think it would be a great service to
Commander owners to put some effort into putting valuable commander-specific
information online.
All to soon, none of "us" are going to be here and that web site may be the
only backup of the tribal lore!
Chris
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Thank you for your efforts on this labor of love Nico!> From: nico@cybersup
erstore.com> To: commander-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
SB-90C> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:02:15 -0700> > --> Commander-List message
posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>> > Folks,> > I take all c
riticism in a positive spirit and admit that the site hasn't in> the past r
eceived the attention it deserved. That started to change a while> ago, whi
ch I hope was noticeable in the smaller changes being dealt with> more rapi
dly. > > I believe that I still have all the communications in archive that
has been> sent over the years. If I remember correctly, when this list wen
t over to> Matronics from the previous list-hosting service, I supplied mos
t of the> historical posts from my archives to prevent a restart from scrat
ch. So, I> will retrieve whatever I have from said archive and work it into
the site. I> need your patience and indulgence as I work on this labor of
love. > > Keep the comments flowing, especially regarding broken links, spe
lling> mistakes, and other irritating things. Please be specific where the
errors> are spotted by stating the page name and perhaps referencing a para
graph, so> that finding a problem doesn't involve saddling up a posse. The
policy is to> take care of those almost immediately so that the small items
don't bog the> site down. > > Thanks> > Nico> > > > > > > -----Original Me
ssage-----> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-
commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris> Sent: Wednesday, J
une 04, 2008 5:09 AM> To: commander-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Comman
ox.net>> > Tom Fisher wrote:> > Let me know what he says if posted off-list
.> > Better yet,> Get some of this valuable information collected and poste
d to the web > site. The amount of fantastic data that has flowed through t
his list > then off into the great bit bucked is really sad. To this day, I
get phone> calls with questions from people who tried to find answers on w
eb sites.> JB/Nico - no offense intended at all, but there are a lot of > h
oles in the web site. There were some really great documents - like > Barry
's master STC list - and the detailed model descriptions that are gone> now
. Quite a few broken links as well. The site used to have a tech tips> sect
ion with some AD/SB info as well as user submitted documentation like> Milt
's 685 performance calculator. I think it would be a great service to> Comm
ander owners to put some effort into putting valuable commander-specific> i
nformation online.> All to soon, none of "us" are going to be here and that
web site may be the> only backup of the tribal lore!> > Chris> > > > > > >
====> > >
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nico css wrote:
> Keep the comments flowing
Nico,
I believe I still have my entire original web site archived. I see you
have some parts of it still under the Library->Web archives section.
There were a huge number of photos there along with scans of most of the
Commander brochures ever printed and a number of useful documents. Many
of those links are dead.
If I can be of any assistance in supplying missing information, you have
but to ask. Even though I'm no longer a Commander owner, I still would
like to see the web site survive and grow. I spent many years
collecting the information, creating that web site, and trying to keep
valuable updates going, so it's ongoing survival is somewhat personal.
Chris
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Hi Chris,
I appreciate your help and dedication. Web technology has grown
exponentially since this site was designed and I would like to make it more
efficient and usable. I did notice images in one of the folders that
correspond with what you are referring to. So, there are a lot of things
floating on the server that are very valuable. As I work through the data,
I'll definitely call on your assistance and those of others, too.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C
nico css wrote:
> Keep the comments flowing
Nico,
I believe I still have my entire original web site archived. I see you have
some parts of it still under the Library->Web archives section.
There were a huge number of photos there along with scans of most of the
Commander brochures ever printed and a number of useful documents. Many of
those links are dead.
If I can be of any assistance in supplying missing information, you have but
to ask. Even though I'm no longer a Commander owner, I still would like to
see the web site survive and grow. I spent many years collecting the
information, creating that web site, and trying to keep valuable updates
going, so it's ongoing survival is somewhat personal.
Chris
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Here's a couple DL's I noticed off the Home Page:
Media Gallery - Dead link, SQL error
Plane of the Month - Dead link, SQL Error
Library -> Photos - Dead link
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C
nico css wrote:
> Keep the comments flowing
Nico,
I believe I still have my entire original web site archived. I see you
have some parts of it still under the Library->Web archives section.
There were a huge number of photos there along with scans of most of the
Commander brochures ever printed and a number of useful documents. Many
of those links are dead.
If I can be of any assistance in supplying missing information, you have
but to ask. Even though I'm no longer a Commander owner, I still would
like to see the web site survive and grow. I spent many years
collecting the information, creating that web site, and trying to keep
valuable updates going, so it's ongoing survival is somewhat personal.
Chris
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Chris,
I have read your contributions pertaining to the proper care and maintenance
of commanders for quite some while now, and find them not only greatly
helpful but also beneficial to the mechanics I let around my machines. I think
it
is very fair to say that I have the mechanical aptitude of a post..wooden or
metal.
I am proof that one can be a very happy commander owner without the
knowledge that is possessed by you and the other contributors/owners/former
owners/soon-to-be owners and will remain that way just as long as you folks continue
to post those things that become issues and their solutions.
I had no idea that upon purchasing a commander I would indirectly receive
the support I have received. I do not have the technical qualifications to
contribute to the postings, except to say if someone needs to know how to spend
money to maintain an airplane in proper condition I am that person.
Thanks To All,
Buddy A. Plaster
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Bud;
Long time No Hear, did you ever get the 690?
Don Girod
----- Original Message -----
From: Budplaster@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C
Chris,
I have read your contributions pertaining to the proper care and
maintenance of commanders for quite some while now, and find them not
only greatly helpful but also beneficial to the mechanics I let around
my machines. I think it is very fair to say that I have the mechanical
aptitude of a post..wooden or metal.
I am proof that one can be a very happy commander owner without the
knowledge that is possessed by you and the other
contributors/owners/former owners/soon-to-be owners and will remain that
way just as long as you folks continue to post those things that become
issues and their solutions.
I had no idea that upon purchasing a commander I would indirectly
receive the support I have received. I do not have the technical
qualifications to contribute to the postings, except to say if someone
needs to know how to spend money to maintain an airplane in proper
condition I am that person.
Thanks To All,
Buddy A. Plaster
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90C does not require removal of the fuel cell.? The inspection is of the forward?(cabin)?side
of the lower spar cap and is accessed through the upper cabin area.?
Remove the headliner and insulation and the area it?is visable.? Some owners
modify the headliner to make access a bit easier.? jb
?
The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I fly (680
FLP, N91ES).? That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection due every (now)
750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel cell out for that job.?
By chance, does anyone know of a situation where one can avoid taking the
fuel cell out but still be able to complete the inspection?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Mansfield <hcourier@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 5:57 pm
Subject: Commander-List: SB-90C
Hello,
?
The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I fly (680
FLP, N91ES).? That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection due every (now)
750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel cell out for that job.?
By chance, does anyone know of a situation where one can avoid taking the
fuel cell out but still be able to complete the inspection?
?
?
Thank you,
?
Ray Mansfield
???
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Thanks for the information. Undoubtedly you have had your plane
inspected in accordance with SB-90C (Almost no difference between 90D).
My question: In reading 90C or 90D the SB specifically says to remove
the center fuel cell to do the inspection. We're talking part of the
wing spar. How does one avoid removing the fuel cell when it says to do
so. I'm not saying you are incorrect, I'm just inquiring about how you
get around that requirement and still get to the parts needing
inspection.. Thank you for the information.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C
90C does not require removal of the fuel cell. The inspection is of
the forward (cabin) side of the lower spar cap and is accessed through
the upper cabin area. Remove the headliner and insulation and the area
it is visable. Some owners modify the headliner to make access a bit
easier. jb
The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander
I fly (680 FLP, N91ES). That SB pertains to the wing spar cap
inspection due every (now) 750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the
center fuel cell out for that job. By chance, does anyone know of a
situation where one can avoid taking the fuel cell out but still be able
to complete the inspection?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Mansfield <hcourier@cox.net>
To: Matronics List <commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 5:57 pm
Subject: Commander-List: SB-90C
Hello,
The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I
fly (680 FLP, N91ES). That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection
due every (now) 750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel
cell out for that job. By chance, does anyone know of a situation where
one can avoid taking the fuel cell out but still be able to complete the
inspection?
Thank you,
Ray Mansfield
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