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1. 04:59 AM - Re: web site (Chris)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: web site (Steve W)
3. 08:34 AM - The FAA AD website (Barry Collman)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: The FAA AD website (Chris)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: web site (Chris)
6. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: web site (nico css)
7. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: web site (Chris)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: web site (Don Barry)
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nico,
dead links on the "maintenance" page:
SB235
Upgrade kits
Service center locator
all overhaul resources
Commander tips.
Just my two cents work, but I consider it good style to somehow identify
"off-site" links differently than local links. Can come as a surprise
when you end up somewhere totally unexpected.
chris
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Just a suggestion......
I remember some time back Nico was busier than a one armed paper hanger with
a business.
Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this stuff
to pitch in and lend a hand? I know enough (to think I know) that a web page
could be updated, created and submitted remote for posting.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: web site
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>
> nico,
> dead links on the "maintenance" page:
>
> SB235
> Upgrade kits
> Service center locator
> all overhaul resources
> Commander tips.
>
> Just my two cents work, but I consider it good style to somehow identify
> "off-site" links differently than local links. Can come as a surprise
> when you end up somewhere totally unexpected.
> chris
>
>
>
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Subject: | The FAA AD website |
Hello All,
I have often accessed the FAA website on AD's and also the ones for Type
Certificate and STC's.
I've never had a problem with any of them and found them extremely good,
if perhaps a little slow now and then.
John Towner, who cannot post messages to the chatlist has just emailed
me and expressed the same opinion.
He says:
"I have read some the TCFG fellows comments about AD's on the TCFG chat
page (my computer will not let me respond to the chat page, just to
individuals).
I just queried AD 98-08-19 from the FAA web site and it came up AOK in
its entirety.
Just a suggestion, but if the TCFG web site would list the AD's
applicable to Aero Commanders it would be easy for the owners to access
the FAA web site as I did.
I have read on the chat page some of the info about the TCFG get
together at PWA this year in September and it should be a wonderful and
very special time to have it at PWA.
PS - I think I told you we did an alternate method of compliance for AD
98-08-19 and it really has saved us and Commander owners a lot of money.
When 98-08-19 came out if we had not gained the AMC it would have put us
out of business."
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: The FAA AD website |
Barry Collman wrote:
> I've never had a problem with any of them and found them extremely
> good, if perhaps a little slow now and then.
From the perspective of a typical individual who is wanting to learn
about AD issues for a specific airframe, there is a major weakness in
the FAA's web site - the lack of cross-referencing. For example, if you
search ADs for twin Commander thinking you'll find all applicable
information, you'll miss a lot of very critical accessory ADs (props,
engines, pumps, brakes, etc). You really have to know the airplane
components in detail to know everything to go hunting for. In this day
and age, it should be reasonable to expect that you could automatically
acquire all associated ADs via the search engine on the web site. Their
database should pull up associated Hartzell prop AD's, for example, when
you search for "680 Commander". I'll grant that STC's and modifications
make it a bit more challenging, but still do-able.
Lack of online SB's just make it all the more difficult....
chris
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Steve W wrote:
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> Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this
> stuff to pitch in and lend a hand?
The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web
site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems
like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site
with new information and keep it fresh and interesting.
Chris
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My thoughts on it are that folks can post articles onto the site which then
are moderated and accepted and posted to the appropriate pages. This makes
the process seamless and yet controlled. Much like You Tube's comments that
one can post in reference to video clips. When one posts a video clip, there
is a choice whether the comments from users are subject to approval or not.
I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so
that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture.
Similarly, Commander Tales, Commander of the Month, pics, and other
contributions are envisioned to be an auto-upload feature (subject to a
moderator so that junk and unwanted stuff can be deleted before they are
published) so that members' participations are not lost in some archive
somewhere.
It's a second-best feature to link to outside sources such as the FAA and
Aircraft vendors websites, because the user becomes subject to another
website's rules and character. To circumvent that, permissions are needed to
copy information to one's own website and then someone must manage that,
which might be too much to add to the burden of the volunteer army of the
Group right now. So, outside links should be part of the architecture.
Then, the banner advertisements on the current site. Are they maintained
(must be because I see different ads running every now and then) and how
should they feature in the new site? Are payments collected from these
advertisers or are these banners a courtesy to loyal suppliers?
My current goal is to take the functionality of the current site and rebuild
it into a new design, incorporating the stuff that I mentioned above. I'd
hate to see volunteer contributors scratch around in the code to publish
things; that can be done through auto-uploads, which will preserve the
integrity and functionality of the code.
Just my thoughts and some light on the direction in which I am heading.
Your input would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: web site
Steve W wrote:
>
> Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this
> stuff to pitch in and lend a hand?
The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web
site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems
like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site with
new information and keep it fresh and interesting.
Chris
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nico css wrote:
> I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so
> that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture.
Nico,
What tools are you using these days for web authoring? I agree
absolutely with a well-thought-out structure. Back when I was doing the
web site, I was generating all the framework HTML by hand, so the
behind-the-scenes file and directory structure was critical to being
able to maintain the site. I accepted word documents as submissions
along with individual image files so that I could simply save the
document as HTML, add in some IMG tags, and plop it in the proper directory.
Surely things are even easier now, but I have to admit that I haven't
looked at any authoring tools in many a year.
Unless modification tracking and management tools are much better than
they were 5 years ago, I don't think it would be wise to allow open
modifications (although it might be interesting if you had a rigidly
controlled group of "maintainers" who could all edit at will - ie: the
wikipedia model).
How about providing site framework structure of some type so that people
who are interested in submitting new data (or entire pages) would have a
reference to work off of. Would that make your life easier as far as
integrating new content? The software modification management tools
that I use would allow someone to download a section of the site, edit,
them re-submit for your approval without any risk of mangling the online
copy.
I was wondering about all the banner ads too.... I thought you were
hosting the site pro-bono for the TCFG? If so, get rid of them unless
they're directly paying either you or the FG.
chris
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Nico,
What do you think about using one of the commerical forum software packages,
like vBulletin?
I have a site dedicated to my fond love of electric riding lawnmowers that
we made in the 1970's (http:/www.elec-trak.com) - after two years of fussing
with HTML and such - I went to the forum software. It has all that
functionality you mentioned built into it.
There is even an add-in now to allow posting to the forum via email, with
email broadcasts to all the subscribers (just like this matrionics site).
Regards,
Don B
Houston TX
FCOS(Future Commander Owner Someday)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: web site
My thoughts on it are that folks can post articles onto the site which then
are moderated and accepted and posted to the appropriate pages. This makes
the process seamless and yet controlled. Much like You Tube's comments that
one can post in reference to video clips. When one posts a video clip, there
is a choice whether the comments from users are subject to approval or not.
I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so
that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture.
Similarly, Commander Tales, Commander of the Month, pics, and other
contributions are envisioned to be an auto-upload feature (subject to a
moderator so that junk and unwanted stuff can be deleted before they are
published) so that members' participations are not lost in some archive
somewhere.
It's a second-best feature to link to outside sources such as the FAA and
Aircraft vendors websites, because the user becomes subject to another
website's rules and character. To circumvent that, permissions are needed to
copy information to one's own website and then someone must manage that,
which might be too much to add to the burden of the volunteer army of the
Group right now. So, outside links should be part of the architecture.
Then, the banner advertisements on the current site. Are they maintained
(must be because I see different ads running every now and then) and how
should they feature in the new site? Are payments collected from these
advertisers or are these banners a courtesy to loyal suppliers?
My current goal is to take the functionality of the current site and rebuild
it into a new design, incorporating the stuff that I mentioned above. I'd
hate to see volunteer contributors scratch around in the code to publish
things; that can be done through auto-uploads, which will preserve the
integrity and functionality of the code.
Just my thoughts and some light on the direction in which I am heading.
Your input would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: web site
Steve W wrote:
>
> Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this
> stuff to pitch in and lend a hand?
The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web
site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems
like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site with
new information and keep it fresh and interesting.
Chris
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