Commander-List Digest Archive

Sun 06/08/08


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:59 AM - Re: web site (Chris)
     2. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: web site (Steve W)
     3. 08:34 AM - The FAA AD website (Barry Collman)
     4. 09:00 AM - Re: The FAA AD website (Chris)
     5. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: web site (Chris)
     6. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: web site (nico css)
     7. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: web site (Chris)
     8. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: web site (Don Barry)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:59:04 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: web site
    nico, dead links on the "maintenance" page: SB235 Upgrade kits Service center locator all overhaul resources Commander tips. Just my two cents work, but I consider it good style to somehow identify "off-site" links differently than local links. Can come as a surprise when you end up somewhere totally unexpected. chris


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    Time: 06:59:36 AM PST US
    From: "Steve W" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: web site
    Just a suggestion...... I remember some time back Nico was busier than a one armed paper hanger with a business. Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this stuff to pitch in and lend a hand? I know enough (to think I know) that a web page could be updated, created and submitted remote for posting. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: web site > > > nico, > dead links on the "maintenance" page: > > SB235 > Upgrade kits > Service center locator > all overhaul resources > Commander tips. > > Just my two cents work, but I consider it good style to somehow identify > "off-site" links differently than local links. Can come as a surprise > when you end up somewhere totally unexpected. > chris > > >


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    Time: 08:34:13 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: The FAA AD website
    Hello All, I have often accessed the FAA website on AD's and also the ones for Type Certificate and STC's. I've never had a problem with any of them and found them extremely good, if perhaps a little slow now and then. John Towner, who cannot post messages to the chatlist has just emailed me and expressed the same opinion. He says: "I have read some the TCFG fellows comments about AD's on the TCFG chat page (my computer will not let me respond to the chat page, just to individuals). I just queried AD 98-08-19 from the FAA web site and it came up AOK in its entirety. Just a suggestion, but if the TCFG web site would list the AD's applicable to Aero Commanders it would be easy for the owners to access the FAA web site as I did. I have read on the chat page some of the info about the TCFG get together at PWA this year in September and it should be a wonderful and very special time to have it at PWA. PS - I think I told you we did an alternate method of compliance for AD 98-08-19 and it really has saved us and Commander owners a lot of money. When 98-08-19 came out if we had not gained the AMC it would have put us out of business." Very Best Regards, Barry


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    Time: 09:00:32 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: The FAA AD website
    Barry Collman wrote: > I've never had a problem with any of them and found them extremely > good, if perhaps a little slow now and then. From the perspective of a typical individual who is wanting to learn about AD issues for a specific airframe, there is a major weakness in the FAA's web site - the lack of cross-referencing. For example, if you search ADs for twin Commander thinking you'll find all applicable information, you'll miss a lot of very critical accessory ADs (props, engines, pumps, brakes, etc). You really have to know the airplane components in detail to know everything to go hunting for. In this day and age, it should be reasonable to expect that you could automatically acquire all associated ADs via the search engine on the web site. Their database should pull up associated Hartzell prop AD's, for example, when you search for "680 Commander". I'll grant that STC's and modifications make it a bit more challenging, but still do-able. Lack of online SB's just make it all the more difficult.... chris


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    Time: 09:06:08 AM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: web site
    Steve W wrote: > > Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this > stuff to pitch in and lend a hand? The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site with new information and keep it fresh and interesting. Chris


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    Time: 12:26:35 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: web site
    My thoughts on it are that folks can post articles onto the site which then are moderated and accepted and posted to the appropriate pages. This makes the process seamless and yet controlled. Much like You Tube's comments that one can post in reference to video clips. When one posts a video clip, there is a choice whether the comments from users are subject to approval or not. I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture. Similarly, Commander Tales, Commander of the Month, pics, and other contributions are envisioned to be an auto-upload feature (subject to a moderator so that junk and unwanted stuff can be deleted before they are published) so that members' participations are not lost in some archive somewhere. It's a second-best feature to link to outside sources such as the FAA and Aircraft vendors websites, because the user becomes subject to another website's rules and character. To circumvent that, permissions are needed to copy information to one's own website and then someone must manage that, which might be too much to add to the burden of the volunteer army of the Group right now. So, outside links should be part of the architecture. Then, the banner advertisements on the current site. Are they maintained (must be because I see different ads running every now and then) and how should they feature in the new site? Are payments collected from these advertisers or are these banners a courtesy to loyal suppliers? My current goal is to take the functionality of the current site and rebuild it into a new design, incorporating the stuff that I mentioned above. I'd hate to see volunteer contributors scratch around in the code to publish things; that can be done through auto-uploads, which will preserve the integrity and functionality of the code. Just my thoughts and some light on the direction in which I am heading. Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: web site Steve W wrote: > > Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this > stuff to pitch in and lend a hand? The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site with new information and keep it fresh and interesting. Chris


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    Time: 02:48:03 PM PST US
    From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: web site
    nico css wrote: > I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so > that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture. Nico, What tools are you using these days for web authoring? I agree absolutely with a well-thought-out structure. Back when I was doing the web site, I was generating all the framework HTML by hand, so the behind-the-scenes file and directory structure was critical to being able to maintain the site. I accepted word documents as submissions along with individual image files so that I could simply save the document as HTML, add in some IMG tags, and plop it in the proper directory. Surely things are even easier now, but I have to admit that I haven't looked at any authoring tools in many a year. Unless modification tracking and management tools are much better than they were 5 years ago, I don't think it would be wise to allow open modifications (although it might be interesting if you had a rigidly controlled group of "maintainers" who could all edit at will - ie: the wikipedia model). How about providing site framework structure of some type so that people who are interested in submitting new data (or entire pages) would have a reference to work off of. Would that make your life easier as far as integrating new content? The software modification management tools that I use would allow someone to download a section of the site, edit, them re-submit for your approval without any risk of mangling the online copy. I was wondering about all the banner ads too.... I thought you were hosting the site pro-bono for the TCFG? If so, get rid of them unless they're directly paying either you or the FG. chris


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    Time: 07:09:13 PM PST US
    From: "Don Barry" <don.barry@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: web site
    Nico, What do you think about using one of the commerical forum software packages, like vBulletin? I have a site dedicated to my fond love of electric riding lawnmowers that we made in the 1970's (http:/www.elec-trak.com) - after two years of fussing with HTML and such - I went to the forum software. It has all that functionality you mentioned built into it. There is even an add-in now to allow posting to the forum via email, with email broadcasts to all the subscribers (just like this matrionics site). Regards, Don B Houston TX FCOS(Future Commander Owner Someday) -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: web site My thoughts on it are that folks can post articles onto the site which then are moderated and accepted and posted to the appropriate pages. This makes the process seamless and yet controlled. Much like You Tube's comments that one can post in reference to video clips. When one posts a video clip, there is a choice whether the comments from users are subject to approval or not. I would like to continue with the redesign of the site's architecture so that new features are not additional add-ons but part of the architecture. Similarly, Commander Tales, Commander of the Month, pics, and other contributions are envisioned to be an auto-upload feature (subject to a moderator so that junk and unwanted stuff can be deleted before they are published) so that members' participations are not lost in some archive somewhere. It's a second-best feature to link to outside sources such as the FAA and Aircraft vendors websites, because the user becomes subject to another website's rules and character. To circumvent that, permissions are needed to copy information to one's own website and then someone must manage that, which might be too much to add to the burden of the volunteer army of the Group right now. So, outside links should be part of the architecture. Then, the banner advertisements on the current site. Are they maintained (must be because I see different ads running every now and then) and how should they feature in the new site? Are payments collected from these advertisers or are these banners a courtesy to loyal suppliers? My current goal is to take the functionality of the current site and rebuild it into a new design, incorporating the stuff that I mentioned above. I'd hate to see volunteer contributors scratch around in the code to publish things; that can be done through auto-uploads, which will preserve the integrity and functionality of the code. Just my thoughts and some light on the direction in which I am heading. Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: web site Steve W wrote: > > Does it make any sense to have one or two others who understand this > stuff to pitch in and lend a hand? The contract that Jim and I have which transfered stewardship of the web site to the TCFG has provisions for exactly this scenario Steve. Seems like an excellent idea to accept volunteer efforts to update the site with new information and keep it fresh and interesting. Chris




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