---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/25/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: New Owners (Barry Collman) 2. 12:04 PM - Re: New Owners (apg86) 3. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: New Owners (Barry Collman) 4. 07:52 PM - Cleveland brakes (Octavio viveros sandoval) 5. 08:29 PM - Re: Cleveland brakes (Robert S. Randazzo) 6. 09:35 PM - Re: Heavy lifter (Bill Hamilton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:17 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: New Owners Hi Andrew, Thanks! So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL (680F-969-27) ? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "apg86" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners | | | barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote: | > Hi Andrew, | > | > OK - thanks. | > | > What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one? | > | > Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > --- | | 680F S# 969-27 N680PL | | -------- | Andrew P Geraghty | Corona CA | | | | | Read this topic online here: | | http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0324#200324 | | | | | Attachments: | | http://forums.matronics.com//files/pb280205_152.jpg | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:57 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners From: "apg86" barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Thanks! > > So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL (680F-969-27) ? > > Best Regards, > Barry > > --- Yes -------- Andrew P Geraghty Corona CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0485#200485 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:58 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: New Owners Hi Andrew, OK - that's neat! When you're next with the 680F, could you make a note of the Manufacturer's Aircraft Association Plate Number? This will be a six-digit number at the foot of the Serial Number plate. I already have this number for the 690A, being 479331. Your help will be much appreciated. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "apg86" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners | | | barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote: | > Hi Andrew, | > | > Thanks! | > | > So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL (680F-969-27) ? | > | > Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > --- | | | Yes | | -------- | Andrew P Geraghty | Corona CA | | | | | Read this topic online here: | | http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0485#200485 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:49 PM PST US From: Octavio viveros sandoval Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland brakes Hello Guys=2C I need some advice on the brakes matter=2C I know it has been discussed in this forum before but I am not able to find where=2C so I better rise the q uestion again. I am wishing to install Cleveland brakes and wheels on my ai rcraft but I am not sure what kit to install. Some people say I need the 19 9-22 kit other say it is the 199-88. I don't know if I need the double cal iper or the single one. And who is the best supplier. I know you will be ab le to help as always. Thank you in advance. PS. My key porblem was solved now I am able to lock my ariplane=2C thanks a lot. Octavio Viveros AC500U XB-KSK 1668-17 _________________________________________________________________ Juega y gana=2C tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana. http://club.prodigymsn.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland brakes Octavio- Did you elect not to sell your airplane? I seem to recall something about a woman=85and airplane=85and a for-sale sign. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Octavio viveros sandoval Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland brakes Hello Guys, I need some advice on the brakes matter, I know it has been discussed in this forum before but I am not able to find where, so I better rise the question again. I am wishing to install Cleveland brakes and wheels on my aircraft but I am not sure what kit to install. Some people say I need the 199-22 kit other say it is the 199-88. I don't know if I need the double caliper or the single one. And who is the best supplier. I know you will be able to help as always. Thank you in advance. PS. My key porblem was solved now I am able to lock my ariplane, thanks a lot. Octavio Viveros AC500U XB-KSK 1668-17 _____ Conoce el perfil completo de todos tus amigos de Windows Live Messenger justo aqu=ED: Windows Live Spaces ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:55 PM PST US From: "Bill Hamilton" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter Don, Throughout the old British Commonwealth (sounds better than Empire, doesn't it) we had few runways longer than 8500', many only 7900/8100 --- the standard RAF/RAAF runway, in the late 50's-early 70's. Only when we got to US did we have decent runway lengths. If my memory serves me correctly, even the original runways at London/Heathrow EGLL, were less than 9000'. Hickham/Honolulu was paradise with about 13,000 ft. Three places on Australia where 1 degree or 1 knot of headwind was critical in a B707, Brisbane, Perth or Cairns. Even in Sydney, the "long" runway in 1966 was only 8900, it is now shorter, due ICAO RESA requirements. A place like RAF Muharraq, better known now as Bahrain, with a temp. of 45 degree and 8500', got very interesting. Until all the runways were extended for the B747, we has few operations that were 2nd segment limited, rather than runway accelerate/stop limited. In those days, FAJS, Johannesburg was our only exception, at 8000', the JT3D-3B was a large hair dryer, only the SAA JT3D-7 gave a half way decent range/payload at those elevations. Re."Much less than---", the IL-76 was operating out of Canberra quite normally, it's just that the tower crew were quite unfamiliar with the expected performance, they were used to seeing only modern short range aircraft, and the occasional RAAF B707-320 (most were ex-QANTAS). A company operated by a good mate of mine was the local operator of the IL-76, so I know quite a bit about the detail. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter Don, we had a ground sniffer on the nose of the B-47. When you got to then end of the runway and it smelled dirt we rotated. That plane was designed for a max gross weight of 125,000 pounds, we were flying them at 221,000 and the 509th was flying them at 225,000 with the pods. Jim Addington _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heavy lifter Bill Now you have me confused. I am the one that posted this, got it from an old Air Force friend. I flew some pretty early jets and only in the AF in Viet Nam did I ever get that good of a look at the other end of the runway. Also do not understand the 'much less to this than meets the eye' if you want off line dongirod@bellsouth.net Thanks, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter Folks, This clip has recently generated a lot of comment. The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian capital; it was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military lift for the Australian Department of Defence. The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can well remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click of the gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches had just released after the weight had come off the gear) until the "piano keys" had passed my peripheral vision. There is much less to this than meets the eye. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is. http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia. wmv Quite something to see. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian? A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using every inch of runway. Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. 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