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1. 12:41 AM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier)
2. 07:09 AM - US registration (Tom Fisher)
3. 08:03 AM - Fw: OKC (yourtcfg@aol.com)
4. 08:13 AM - Membership/Vendor Directory (yourtcfg@aol.com)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (Tom Fisher)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (yourtcfg@aol.com)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (yourtcfg@aol.com)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (Tom Fisher)
10. 11:36 AM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (yourtcfg@aol.com)
11. 01:13 PM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
12. 01:25 PM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (craigk391@sbcglobal.net)
13. 02:16 PM - Re: Membership/Vendor Directory (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
14. 02:34 PM - Flight Levels magazine (Barry Collman)
15. 05:24 PM - Re: Flight Levels magazine (Keith S. Gordon)
16. 06:00 PM - Re: Flight Levels magazine (Chris)
17. 06:20 PM - Re: Flight Levels magazine (Robert S. Randazzo)
18. 09:19 PM - Re: Flight Levels magazine (Keith S. Gordon)
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as jb mentioned the Marriott rooms are going fast! I just booked my room and they
claimed only 2 rooms left for the TCFG. I did get the 109 rate!
as I have also mentioned I'm not a member, but hopefully I'll catch up there. The
link for membership doesn't work from this end...
really looking forward to see and hear those tough birds and all you guys behind
it!
May be some of the newsletters could be brought for the newcomers [Wink]
If the commercial flights get on time, I should be in OKC around 13:00 and hopefully
sharp for registration and more to see some of those birds landing!
I'll have a rental with me, and since I should be alone, I'll be glad to share
it w. those coming the right way 8)
Peter Bichier (734) 355-4820
Now, I can say N5462Z (560) ex owner's son :?
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1108#201108
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Barry, I just discovered the former US registration for my Canadian
GISS, it was N77WD, what history do you have on it?
Tom.
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Information from one of our members.? The meetings will be held in the CE Cage
Bldg.? and information on where to park will be sent in a separate email.?
By the way, today is the deadline for booking rooms at the Marriott and there are
only 2 more rooms left under the group rate of $109.? After that the price
ranges from $150-$199/night.?
Also, we need to get your registrations so we can let the caterers know.
Looking forward to seeing y'all in Oklahoma next month.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hudgins <mike@genesisaircraft.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47 am
Subject: OKC
Hiya Jim Bob!
?
Might want to inform the members that the Servicenter has (2) locations at KWPA.
I am assuming that the event will be held at the North facility which is also
the FBO. It's the old Single Engine Commander factory and is a nice facility
with a huge ramp area.?You are probably aware of all this already..just thought
I'd bring it up.? One more thing...the Servicenter fuel prices average about
$1.00 a gallon LESS than Atlantic Aviation, the other FBO. We base our Westwind
there and at 230 gph it adds up!
?
Wondered why it says that Wiley Post is an uncontrolled airport? Perhaps you were
referring to uncontrolled gossip, rumors, innuendo, etc. that seem to exist
at most airports!? HA!?
?
If you haven't been to the Waterford Marriott it is the finest hotel for $109.00
you'll ever visit. A huge bargain and only 12 minutes from the airport.
?
Hope to see you here. Bricktown is a big entertainment district downtown? has all
the usual restaurants, theaters bars and of course more bars.
?
Mike
?
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Michael Hudgins
Genesis Aircraft Marketing
5909 NW Expressway? Suite 102
Oklahoma City, OK? 73132
405.470.1871/1872 fax
405.834.2975 cell
www.genesisaircraft.com?
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Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
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| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the
Membership and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes, additions or
suggestions please let us know by September 1st.
Thanks,
~jb
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jb=2C hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 11:11:48 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comHi Al
l=2C We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membe
rship and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes=2C additions or sugges
tions please let us know by September 1st. Thanks=2C~jb
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Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.?
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
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Mason,
Barry took some shots last year so hopefully we have a good one of your plane.?
But you could always send us one to include.?
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:53 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
jb, hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
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Did already, I guess I want you to confirm that you still have it and in
fact are going to use it.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the
Membership and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes, additions or
suggestions please let us know by September 1st.
Thanks,
~jb
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Tom,
Would you mind resending.? We had our laptop stolen and lost a lot of our pictures
-- guess that's a lesson in needing to back up everything.?
Thanks,
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Did already, I guess I want you to confirm that you still have it and in fact are
going to use it.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.?
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
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just got it out of paint shop.
dor DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 13:36:09 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comM
ason=2C Barry took some shots last year so hopefully we have a good one of
your plane. But you could always send us one to include. Thanks!-----Orig
inal Message-----From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>To: commander-list
@matronics.comSent: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 8:53 amSubject: RE: Commander-List:
Membership/Vendor Directory
jb=2C hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 11:11:48 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comHi Al
l=2C We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membe
rship and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes=2C additions or sugges
tions please let us know by September 1st. Thanks=2C~jb
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texas aerocolor=2C brady=2C texas
dor DirectoryFrom: craigk391@sbcglobal.netDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 20:24:16
Which shop? Mine needs paint! I will miss the fly in this year=2C but will
make the next one for sure.Craig
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| Subject: | Flight Levels magazine |
Hi Guys,
Just a word of "warning".
I've just received my copy of "Flight Levels", the Summer 2008, Volume
13 No.3 and one of the first things I've looked for in recent issues has
been the piece on Commander history.
Quite some while ago, I was asked if I'd help with this planned series
of short articles and, of course, I agreed.
In return, I was to be sent a CD-ROM with a good number of photos,
presumably taken by Bill Thompson.
The CD-ROM never arrived and I've never been asked for help.
A couple of subsequent emails to the guy editing this section have gone
totally unanswered.
In the absence of any definite reason, I can only assume that Bill
Thompson, the supplier of the photos, has placed an embargo on me
getting a copy of the disk and is relying on his "knowledge" to tell you
all about Commander history.
Why? Goodness knows.
However, although his photos are of real quality, I regret I cannot say
the same about his knowledge of Commander history.
Frankly, I'm not impressed.
Was the prototype really called the "IL-3805"? I think not.
Was the first Model 520 Certificated some 8 months before it was
completed? I think not.
Although the GO-435-C2B was used, it was not until later in production.
First examples had the GO-435-C2.
The 520 isn't "distinguished by its large curved engine nacelles ... and
exhaust augmenters", but by its fin not being swept.
What a pity that such a historical photo, the 520 taking off on its
first flight, is sized just a tad bigger than a postage stamp.
Might be best to cut this section out before these errors are treated as
gospel ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
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The CD-ROM never arrived and I've never been asked for
help.
A couple of subsequent emails to the guy editing this
section have gone totally unanswered.
In the absence of any definite reason, I can only assume
that Bill Thompson, the supplier of the photos, has placed an embargo on me
getting a copy of the disk and is relying on his "knowledge" to tell you all
about Commander history.
Why? Goodness knows.
Sir Barry,
I presume you're asking a rhetorical question, or, you're using your refined British
understatement for diplomatic effect.
The reason they did not ask your help is horribly obvious ... as it the result
of TCAC's policy of ignoring any resource outside of their kingdom walls.
Wing Commander Gordon,
Banished since 1996
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 2:34 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Levels magazine
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Barry Collman wrote:
> Why? Goodness knows.
The sad fact is that TCAC (IMHO) is a business. They don't "care" about
Commanders, especially the classics. They care about running a business
and making a profit (as they should). The piston crowd is not their
customer, contributes nothing of consequence to their bottom line, and
is of no interest. As annoying as it may be, it's not just TCAC
either. Try to ask "new Piper" about J3 cubs, Apaches, or any of the
98% of aircraft ever built by Piper prior to the "new". They simply
won't even acknowledge the existence of their prior greatness.
"we" are just hobbiests.
Speaking of hobbies.... if more people in the world had better hobbies,
I truly believe it would do away with most of the worlds problems. You
can't tell me that someone building a homebuilt in their garage would
ever consider being a suicide bomber! Maybe if our government would
quit sending cash to foreign countries and just buy a zillion RV8 kits
and air drop them, we'd accomplish a lot more.....
chris
do not archive
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Chris-
Hear hear.
Add to that list any of us calling TCM regarding our GTSIO-520K. They won't
even answer a technical question... Pretty much insures I won't buy any NEW
TCM products in the future- that is for certain.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Levels magazine
Barry Collman wrote:
> Why? Goodness knows.
The sad fact is that TCAC (IMHO) is a business. They don't "care" about
Commanders, especially the classics. They care about running a business
and making a profit (as they should). The piston crowd is not their
customer, contributes nothing of consequence to their bottom line, and
is of no interest. As annoying as it may be, it's not just TCAC
either. Try to ask "new Piper" about J3 cubs, Apaches, or any of the
98% of aircraft ever built by Piper prior to the "new". They simply
won't even acknowledge the existence of their prior greatness.
"we" are just hobbiests.
Speaking of hobbies.... if more people in the world had better hobbies,
I truly believe it would do away with most of the worlds problems. You
can't tell me that someone building a homebuilt in their garage would
ever consider being a suicide bomber! Maybe if our government would
quit sending cash to foreign countries and just buy a zillion RV8 kits
and air drop them, we'd accomplish a lot more.....
chris
do not archive
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You
can't tell me that someone building a homebuilt in their garage would
ever consider being a suicide bomber! Maybe if our government would
quit sending cash to foreign countries and just buy a zillion RV8 kits
and air drop them, we'd accomplish a lot more.....?
Yes!? Even if they were going to use a squadron of RV8s to wage Jihad on us, their
wives would kill them first for spending so much time "on that damn airplane
you love more than me."
One major world's problems solved.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Levels magazine
?
Barry Collman wrote:?
> Why? Goodness knows.?
?
The sad fact is that TCAC (IMHO) is a business. They don't "care" about
Commanders, especially the classics. They care about running a business
and making a profit (as they should). The piston crowd is not their
customer, contributes nothing of consequence to their bottom line, and
is of no interest. As annoying as it may be, it's not just TCAC
either. Try to ask "new Piper" about J3 cubs, Apaches, or any of the
98% of aircraft ever built by Piper prior to the "new". They simply
won't even acknowledge the existence of their prior greatness.?
?
"we" are just hobbiests.?
?
Speaking of hobbies.... if more people in the world had better hobbies,
I truly believe it would do away with most of the worlds problems. You
can't tell me that someone building a homebuilt in their garage would
ever consider being a suicide bomber! Maybe if our government would
quit sending cash to foreign countries and just buy a zillion RV8 kits
and air drop them, we'd accomplish a lot more.....?
?
chris?
?
do not archive?
?
?
?
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