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1. 08:59 AM - On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805 (Peter Bichier)
2. 09:46 AM - Re: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805 (Moe-rosspistons)
3. 10:33 AM - Re: Aerodynamics (yourtcfg@aol.com)
4. 11:17 AM - Re: TCFG Fly-In (David Owens)
5. 03:34 PM - Re: TCFG Fly-In (Jim Addington)
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| Subject: | On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805 |
Hi Guys & Girls,
I'm glad every one made it safely home, I must admit it was hard to hold my tears
seen those birds rolling out of the ramp, specially "triple two" (it reminds
me so much my father's straight 560 YV-515P), thanks Jim for showing off what
they can do! (even though we had lost sight of you we could hear that baby roaring
the skies!)
I see that my intuition a few weeks ago that this group was genuine and fun was
darn on right! It's a small world, and as we say: "the best perfumes come in
small bottles."
I learned a ton and my Commander knowledge has grown exponentially!
Continuing on that note, on my way back from our wonderful meeting, I was reading
and catching up on all those great materials given to us. Thanks all, specially
Jim, sue, Barry, the speakers, the attendees and all those doing the hard
work behind this great group.
I was surprised to see that on the handout to employees -May 1951 at the end of
the Chicago Tribune column they mentioned "... the right motor -a 260 hp Lycoming..."
Did the prototype already had the O-435 in 1951? could it really get that much
power without the geared engines? Or did she actually fly with the 190HP? (unlikely)
how much hp could you get out of a O-435 in 1948?
According to our FGNews July'08 it's only in 1955 that the O-435-A were signed
off as installed on June 3rd. You would thing the journalist would get it right
since he was there!... may be he confused his notes and was just talking about
future plans...
Anyway I am thrilled to have seen this great prototype and just trying to make
sense of this remarkable feat and clarify the story.
On that note, Dennis Carter and Kenny Payton from Francis Tuttle Technology Center
were really impressed by the enthusiasm of the group, I had a "couple" of
beers with them after the fund raiser and they were ecstatic; they shared their
frustration and general lack of interest by others in trying to get the ball
rolling on remodeling the Blue Goose.
It seems that we are giving them a great encouragement; let's hope that the next
time we see L-3805 she'll be in another shape! (personally though, I will agree
with TR: I prefer the metallic color), but we can discuss that LATER!
what great four days!
thank you all again.
take care, and hopefully see you next year! in ... Portland?
p.
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Peter 560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5721#205721
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| Subject: | Re: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805 |
Hi Folks,
While at the Fly In, I spoke to Jack Chappal's daughter, however, I failed
to get her contact information. Could someone please help me?
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
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From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: Commander-List: On a historical note and inquiry on the L-3805
> <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
>
> Hi Guys & Girls,
>
> I'm glad every one made it safely home, I must admit it was hard to hold
> my tears seen those birds rolling out of the ramp, specially "triple two"
> (it reminds me so much my father's straight 560 YV-515P), thanks Jim for
> showing off what they can do! (even though we had lost sight of you we
> could hear that baby roaring the skies!)
>
> I see that my intuition a few weeks ago that this group was genuine and
> fun was darn on right! It's a small world, and as we say: "the best
> perfumes come in small bottles."
>
> I learned a ton and my Commander knowledge has grown exponentially!
>
> Continuing on that note, on my way back from our wonderful meeting, I was
> reading and catching up on all those great materials given to us. Thanks
> all, specially Jim, sue, Barry, the speakers, the attendees and all those
> doing the hard work behind this great group.
>
> I was surprised to see that on the handout to employees -May 1951 at the
> end of the Chicago Tribune column they mentioned "... the right motor -a
> 260 hp Lycoming..."
>
> Did the prototype already had the O-435 in 1951? could it really get that
> much power without the geared engines? Or did she actually fly with the
> 190HP? (unlikely) how much hp could you get out of a O-435 in 1948?
>
> According to our FGNews July'08 it's only in 1955 that the O-435-A were
> signed off as installed on June 3rd. You would thing the journalist would
> get it right since he was there!... may be he confused his notes and was
> just talking about future plans...
>
> Anyway I am thrilled to have seen this great prototype and just trying to
> make sense of this remarkable feat and clarify the story.
>
> On that note, Dennis Carter and Kenny Payton from Francis Tuttle
> Technology Center were really impressed by the enthusiasm of the group, I
> had a "couple" of beers with them after the fund raiser and they were
> ecstatic; they shared their frustration and general lack of interest by
> others in trying to get the ball rolling on remodeling the Blue Goose.
>
> It seems that we are giving them a great encouragement; let's hope that
> the next time we see L-3805 she'll be in another shape! (personally
> though, I will agree with TR: I prefer the metallic color), but we can
> discuss that LATER!
>
> what great four days!
>
> thank you all again.
>
> take care, and hopefully see you next year! in ... Portland?
>
> p.
>
> --------
> Peter 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5721#205721
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerodynamics |
TO; Mr Moe Mills,?Current Holder?of the "Golden Pedal Award"? N680RR? 680Fp
FROM: Mr Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander flight Group (TCFG)
Mr Mills:?
I read with great interest your posting regarding you recent?acceptance of the
Golden Pedal Award (GPW).? First, I want to congratulate you on the above mentioned
award.???It is indeed?a special honor to have?been chosen.? I have, however,
come to the conclusion that you may be a bit confused as to the qualification
for receiving this prestigious honor.? I can only assume that the time you
spent on the evening of 09-18-2008 at the?Stinky Dog saloon has forever clouded
your opinion of your abilities as a pilot?in command? If you will indulge
me, I would like to address each of the inaccurate and felonious reasons you gave
for receiving this trophy.?
Your point "A"?:? ?Due to an apparent recent Skydrol fluid leak, there is no longer
enough paint remaining on your Commander to even be considered for the "Best
Paint" award!!!!!!
Your point "B":? ? At your Commander's normal fuel burn, it?does not hold enough
fuel to complete a 20 mile closed course race!!!!!
Your point "C": ? It is my opinion and that of the judging committee (The Australians
and my Wife) that your total wealth on "Commander Knowledge" is limited
to remembering you "N" number!!!!!!!
Your point?"D":? ? While it is true that no one?witnessed your landing and subsequent
taxi, I have it on good (first hand) authority that both were abysmal!!!!!!
Your Point "E":? ?See above.
In conclusion, let me thank you for you attendance and kind words?Blah, blah, blah?
jb (and the Ozzies &?Harriet (aka Sue).? ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 6:08 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
Dear Commander Folks:
?
As always the event was most enjoyable.? Also, as could be expected my Commander
got me home safe and sound.
?
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter, I failed to get her contact information.?
Could anyone please help me in this regard.
?
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal Award. As I
was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out in his yard.? You
can't believe how impressed he, his wife, and two daughters were when I explained
to them that in order to get the award that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander there
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
?
Our fearless leaders presentation of this? award to me has elevated my standing
in our new community an almost immeasurable amount.? Later today, my neighbors
wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist that they do a human interest
article on me including a photo of me and the Golden Pedal.
?
Again, thanks!
?
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: Keith S. Gordon
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and yaw trim
is done via rudder.?
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since
you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed).?? Aileron rigging
would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying
to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning
-- which I must do right now.?
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 9:11 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to start cranking in right
rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
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Missed the Fly in again... Thank God we have power at the office
again... The aircraft were moved away from Houston area due to Hurricane
IKE>>> Gone but not forgotten. Mabey next year.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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You did miss a good one.
Jim
N444BD
500A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Missed the Fly in again... Thank God we have power at the office again...
The aircraft were moved away from Houston area due to Hurricane IKE>>> Gone
but not forgotten. Mabey next year.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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