---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/24/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:40 AM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier) 2. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (nico css) 3. 10:09 AM - TCFG FLY-IN (peter bichier) 4. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (willis robison) 5. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Keith S. Gordon) 6. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (BertBerry1@aol.com) 7. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (nico css) 8. 04:42 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (nico css) 9. 05:23 PM - The prototype (Chris) 10. 06:18 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier) 11. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Tom Fisher) 12. 07:03 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier) 13. 07:49 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier) 14. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Keith S. Gordon) 15. 10:58 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:52 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Peter Bichier" For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g# -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:37 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN That's great, Peter. Would you mind if I put them on the website? It would be nice if some captions could be written. Someone? I am so sad that I missed this particular Flyin. Not that missing all the others were better, but I can only look to next year. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bichier Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN --> For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVD MwU2g# -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:31 AM PST US From: peter bichier Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLY-IN Hey Nico, yeah, I have noticed that you are behind the web site, good job! and I was hoping to meet you since not only you're behind the scenes, but you also contribute to the discussions often. may be next year? go ahead post whatever you want, I'm glad I can do something for the rest of the group, time for the newcomers to chip in no? p. On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM, nico css wrote: > > > That's great, Peter. Would you mind if I put them on the website? > It would > be nice if some captions could be written. Someone? > > I am so sad that I missed this particular Flyin. Not that missing > all the > others were better, but I can only look to next year. > > Thanks > > Nico > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:52 PM PST US From: willis robison Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN Peter, have you taken down your pictures?- Google wont provide access. - wer --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Peter Bichier wrote: From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happen ed! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the externa l eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newslette r let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what y ou want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EO O0uVDMwU2g# -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Keith S. Gordon" Ditto, here.?? I took a quick glance this morning and wanted to go back this evening and really savor each one. By the way -- and this may have been made very obvious to everyone at the Fly-In -- isn't it interesting that there was a A-26 at the Fly-In and it was one of Ted Smith's projects while at Douglas Aircraft??? Did everyone get the similarity between the A-26 design and cockpit photos and the shots of the AC-520?? I think that's amazing!?? Couldn't have been planned better for a celebration of the Commander's birthday. If Peter's photos were still up, I'd list each complimenting picture number between the A-26 and a Commander. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bichier Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:38 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g# -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:05 PM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN If anyone else happens to have photos, would you please consider posting them as well. Bert In a message dated 9/24/2008 6:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cloudcraft@aol.com writes: Ditto, here. I took a quick glance this morning and wanted to go back this evening and really savor each one. By the way -- and this may have been made very obvious to everyone at the Fly-In -- isn't it interesting that there was a A-26 at the Fly-In and it was one of Ted Smith's projects while at Douglas Aircraft? Did everyone get the similarity between the A-26 design and cockpit photos and the shots of the AC-520? I think that's amazing! Couldn't have been planned better for a celebration of the Commander's birthday. If Peter's photos were still up, I'd list each complimenting picture number between the A-26 and a Commander. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bichier Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:38 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN <_pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu_ (mailto:pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu) > For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. _http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#) -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881) ____________________________________ Find phone numbers fast with the _New AOL Yellow Pages_ (http://yellowpages.aol.com/?NCID=emlweusyelp00000001) ! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:45 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN Peter, if it will help, you can send them to me via email and I will post them on the website. I'd like to post some of the comments on the flyin also. Nico nico@cybersuperstore.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bichier Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN --> For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. Good night folks, and have fun! thanks again all! p. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVD MwU2g# -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:57 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG FLY-IN There is no limitation on newcomers, Peter. There are so many folks that I would have wanted to meet. Next year may be a good prospect. I missed our 45th high-school reunion and the flyin to be able to celebrate my mom's 90th birthday with her in Cape Town. There is no doubt that I made the right, though painful, choice. The google website does not show the pics any longer. See my earlier email. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter bichier Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLY-IN Hey Nico, yeah, I have noticed that you are behind the web site, good job! and I was hoping to meet you since not only you're behind the scenes, but you also contribute to the discussions often. may be next year? go ahead post whatever you want, I'm glad I can do something for the rest of the group, time for the newcomers to chip in no? p. On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM, nico css wrote: That's great, Peter. Would you mind if I put them on the website? It would be nice if some captions could be written. Someone? I am so sad that I missed this particular Flyin. Not that missing all the others were better, but I can only look to next year. Thanks Nico ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:28 PM PST US From: Chris Subject: Commander-List: The prototype Can someone fill me in on what's happening to the prototype? I wasn't aware there was a program in place to save it. Ages ago, I tried to get something happening along with Downtown Airpark and TCAC but was not able to get any significant interest going. I've long thought it was a travesty to allow that bird to rot and be beaten by Oklahoma weather. Wasn't sure if it was even still in good enough condition for anything but the scrap yard by now. I sure hope it has found an appropriate new caretaker! Chris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:20 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Peter Bichier" WOW! I guess the word is around! sorry for the delay, I was just adding some captions and somehow messed it all out! it SHOULD be running now! let me know, p. -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6028#206028 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:59 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN As I was unable to attend I would like to see the handouts that were floating about. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN > > > Peter, if it will help, you can send them to me via email and I will post > them on the website. I'd like to post some of the comments on the flyin > also. > Nico > nico@cybersuperstore.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Bichier > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:39 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN > > --> > > For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really > happened! > > There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take > pictures... > > Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the > external > eyes of the group. > > If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming > newsletter > let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what > you want to have me send you your way. > > Good night folks, and have fun! > > thanks again all! > > p. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVD > MwU2g# > > -------- > 560 Dreamer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5881#205881 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:22 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Peter Bichier" Nico, you know you made the right choice. Like I said before, I'm doing all this for myself of course ('cause I truly like these planes) but I also recognize that I wouldn't be here if it was not for the old man (purchasing a 560 in 72! for ex.) so I also owe it to him. Unfortunately I can't share this wonderful group of people with him any longer. I really wish he could have taken advantage of the wonders of the internet (and here we see its positive side) and share TCFG's knowledge to help keep his plane and his dream alive (although politics seem to mingle into peoples life too...) All I want to say, is that family first! my grand mother lived until 93 years old, I had to fly to France for it, the whole family went and that was pretty much her last which. Hope you found her sound and spirited, it is important to keep in touch with our elders while we can. Look at the photos and see how our elders are doing great because they're also in their passion! The photos should be up, and ah... there are 291 pictures (I added an extra one since you opened it last) and I don't how much space they take but I think close to 300MB... a bit much for emails... I also set up the album so anyone can download any pictures. Let me know if you know more about picasa and you have something in mind (to tell you the truth it's the 1st time I used it...) thanks for the feed back and enjoy! p. [quote="nico(at)cybersuperstore.c"]There is no limitation on newcomers, Peter. There are so many folks that I would have wanted to meet. Next year may be a good prospect. I missed our 45th high-school reunion and the flyin to be able to celebrate my mom's 90th birthday with her in Cape Town. There is no doubt that I made the right, though painful, choice. The google website does not show the pics any longer. See my earlier email. Nico -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6037#206037 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:53 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Peter Bichier" Commander Gordon! Since I have your attention for a second, let me 1st congratulate you on your Pago Pago story! I had read that quite a while ago, and it's one of those stories that made me smile for a while, and of course made me dream too! thanks :) As we say, "la vida es un pauelo" (life is a hanker chief), when I arrived at Wiley Post on thursday, I was surprised by the size of the airport, all I saw were gigantic hangars, a beat up Push Pull, Cherokees some Bonanzas, Jets, the usual. I was there around 13:30 and from the forum notes at least Jim should be around, but I couldn't see or even less hear a Commander... I really got worried for a moment! (8hours from Toledo!, commercial airline, 4 day car rental, 2 days off...) I went to the FBO, and they had no idea who and what TCFG was or doing that day or anytime... so I went to see the Airport Manager, he even was more cluless! I'm trying to politely say to the manager that he really SHOULD know what's going on in his airport, and that he should make some phone calls to see where the Commanders are taxing. Suddenly this tall dude comes in, and asks the manager for how long the main airstrip is going to be closed because he needs to approach at 160 or 180 mph! ... so after I finally give up on the manager, I follow the tall guy and ask him what kind of airplane approaches at that speed? he turns around and points out to me to one of those huge hangars and tells me that there is a black Bomber out there! thanks! I hopped on my rental and headed out that way, looked for it and wasn't too sure what he meant (don't know very well my war birds -> it certainly sounded like a great airplane, but I thought it was going to be tanker to turn off fires... ) and there and behold was the beutiful black A-26! that YES I immediately recognized and saw similarities! As I tried to get close to it, (that 1st shot that you see in the album is actually through the fence and w. a 10x digital zoom) I saw a Shrike landing, followed it with the eyes, and then I new where to go! That's how my 1st minutes started, little did I know that the next day I would be invited to climb the cockpit! Again, what a great meeting, photos speak for themselves. I couldn't agree more with your comments!, p. [quote="cloudcraft(at)aol.com"]Ditto, here. I took a quick glance this morning and wanted to go back this evening and really savor each one. By the way -- and this may have been made very obvious to everyone at the Fly-In -- isn't it interesting that there was a A-26 at the Fly-In and it was one of Ted Smith's projects while at Douglas Aircraft? Did everyone get the similarity between the A-26 design and cockpit photos and the shots of the AC-520? I think that's amazing! Couldn't have been planned better for a celebration of the Commander's birthday. If Peter's photos were still up, I'd list each complimenting picture number between the A-26 and a Commander. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. :D :D :D :D :D :D -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6045#206045 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Keith S. Gordon" Peter, (and everyone!) Thanks for getting your photos back up.=C2- I know I'm not the only one wh o feels the need to catch up on the Fly-In and your album helps fill a void in those of us who did not get to attend. I ran through the photos rather quickly again -- I have to leave at 05:30 an d will be gone for 5 days so there's one or two other things I have to deal with this evening. Just for fun, look at photos of the A-26, especially #2, 97, 100 and 102. =C2-=C2- Then scroll over quickly to #138 and 246 (note the tail group s imilarities) and then check out the the control yoke and throttle quadrant i n #155 and then, finally, the side view in #195. I've been in that particular A-26 or one nearly identical (how many black A- 26s are flying around?) and was amused to find that the flap & gear indicato r was the same as the bathtub nacelle Commanders -- as were the magneto swit ches and I think gear and flap handles. Well, when you work for Douglas Aircraft and go build an airplane in your ga rage and then get it in production, you're probably going to use the same ve ndors you bought from at the big factory, right? Not to be missed, either, were the shots of the 1121 Jet Commander -- what T ed envisioned as the ultimate evolution of the Commander before Rockwell pus hed him out the door. Of course he got busy with the AeroStar ... and at the factory in Santa Mari a, California, there were artist's renderings of that airplane with jet engi nes, along with a sailplane he was working on called the Soaring Star. The man was a genius.=C2- We all know that.=C2-=C2- I, for one, am gla d there's a gallery on line for all the historical material your photographe d -- and the beautiful restorations that appeared at the event.=C2- Some o f you guys have gone above and beyond the basic "paint and interior" jobs. Thank you! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bichier Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 7:49 pm Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN .Edu> Commander Gordon! Since I have your attention for a second, let me 1st congratulate you on you r Pago Pago story! I had read that quite a while ago, and it's one of those stories that made me smile for a while, and of course made me dream too! tha nks :) As we say, "la vida es un pa=C3=83=C2=B1uelo" (life is a hanker chief), when I arrived at Wiley Post on thursday, I was surprised by the size of the airport, all I saw were gigantic hangars, a beat up Push Pull, Cherokees som e Bonanzas, Jets, the usual. I was there around 13:30 and from the forum notes at least Jim should be around, but I couldn't see or even less hear a Commander ... I really got worried for a moment! (8hours from Toledo!, commercial airline, 4 day car rental,202 days off...) I went to the FBO, and they had no idea who and what TCFG was or doing that day or anytime... so I went to see the Airport Manager, he even was more cluless! I'm trying to politely say to the manager that he really SHOULD know what's going on in his airport, and that he shoul d make some phone calls to see where the Commanders are taxing. Suddenly this tall dude comes in, and asks the manager for how long the main airstrip is going to be closed because he needs to approach at 160 or 180 mph! ... so after I fin ally give up on the manager, I follow the tall guy and ask him what kind of airpl ane approaches at that speed? he turns around and points out to me to one of those huge hangars and tells me that there is a black Bomber out there! thanks! I hopped on my rental and headed out that way, looked for it and wasn't too sure what he meant (don't know very well my war birds -> it certainly sounded lik e a great airplane, but I thought it was going to be tanker to turn off fires... ) and there and behold was the beutiful black A-26! that YES I immediately recognized and saw similarities! As I tried to get close to it, (that 1st shot that you see in the album is actually through the fence and w. a 10x digital zoom) I saw a Shrike landing , followed it with the eyes, and then I new where to go! That's how my 1st minutes started, little did I know that the next day I wou ld be invited to climb the20cockpit! Again, what a great meeting, photos speak for themselves. I couldn't agree more with your comments!, p. [quote="cloudcraft(at)aol.com"]Ditto, here. I took a quick glance this m orning and wanted to go back this evening and really savor each one. By the way -- and this may have been made very obvious to everyone at the Fly-In -- isn't it interesting that there was a A-26 at the Fly-In and it wa s one of Ted Smith's projects while at Douglas Aircraft? Did everyone get the similarity between the A-26 design and cockpit photos and the shots of the AC-520? I think that's amazing! Couldn't have been plann ed better for a celebration of the Commander's birthday. If Peter's photos were still up, I'd list each complimenting picture number between the A-26 and a Commander. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. :D :D :D :D :D :D -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6045#206045 --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:00 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN From: "Peter Bichier" Sorry me again, I'm missing a couple of people -captions for the album: Who was the Aero Commander Chief Engineer that came along with Bill McGinnins and that worked for the plant & Co. throughout the production life of these birds? He is on #201 What about Amis brother's grand son? great guy too, but I just don't remember his name or his wife... I know you can blame it on the wine and the susspens of the auction! but hey, not too many blurry pics! He is on #215 Has anyone Danny Davis's email or phone contact? Danny, are you also part of the group or on this forum? He's all around these pics and he is also interested in sharing the groups experience with the Oklahoma Pilot Association. He also has the oldest bird around... The album seems to be working out now, and should see some kind of captions, as you scroll them; otherwise poste it, and I'll update it. http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#[/quote] :? take care all, OK, done with my home work for the time been... p. Peter Bichier wrote: > For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened! > > There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take pictures... > > Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external eyes of the group. > > If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you want to have me send you your way. > > Good night folks, and have fun! > > thanks again all! > > p. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g# :? -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6061#206061 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.